MFD "reflections"

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Got that one right, Geo.

You know this was supposed to be an interesting discussion on how a rain gutter can become something like a prism for EM waves. Instead I get more sociopathic skeptic sickness. I am really starting to believe every one of these SSS work for the metal detector industry. I'm sure the greedy bas@#%$ really believe "every dollar that goes to LRL's is a dollar less for the metal detectors". That in itself is a sickness and it's not even right. GREED is king.

Mike, do you have any idea how wrong you are and how this type of retort looks to rational thinking folks?

This, and the ravings of Hung, are very detrimental to your already weak position.

[Mike(Mont)]

A university in Spain has developed a device that converts digital photos into sound waves for blind people. Somewhere on the net is some free software that can be used with even a cellphone camera or laptop computer. Of course the best stuff is 3D and that requires better equipment. In the simple device the blind person takes a photo and they can "see" the objects, etc. You know, almost like using a metal detector or LRL.

[Mike(Mont)]

http://www.seeingwithsound.com/

I swear I have never seen this until just now. One section has a program to see sound waves.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,
We are waiting for you to show your best LRL find a treasure when skeptics are watching.
I am certain you only tell true stories.
But I have been told that if a skeptic watches when you search with your best LRL, the LRL will no longer work to find any treasure.

Maybe I was told the wrong information. It is not true, is it?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
Sure... you was told wrong information.
You can see the best LRL only on the field when you looking for treasure.
I can tell a lot of true stories but i know the confrontal of the sceptics. I remember Esteban when he would say stories with Alonso at Brazil or to USA...

Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by hung

Over TNET, someone stated that a skeptic is a sick person who needs treatment.

I say, a skeptic is a role played by some once their interests are threatened.
How long you both Geo and Mike, will fool yourselves hanging around in here wasting your time with these bunch trying to change this?

This site belongs to a person who works for a MD manufacturer taken to court due to stealing competitor's technology. In this case, Minelab.
An obsolete technology! They can't even make original obsolete things!

Geo and Mike. You both know much more than these people regarding LRLs.
Don't waste your time here trying to talk about the obvious with them.
You know what I mean.

I wish you both some nice findings this weekend with your LRLs.

Hi Hung.
I gave one eye to Tnet but i saw the same as here......
Also i read this forum here so many years that i can't let it. I know Carl, Qiaozhi... J_P... Theseus etc and i know what they will tell, so i have not problem. To tell the truth i am afraid to start again at a new forum, and WHY.

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
Sure... you was told wrong information.
You can see the best LRL only on the field when you looking for treasure.
I can tell a lot of true stories but i know the confrontal of the sceptics. I remember Esteban when he would say stories with Alonso at Brazil or to USA...

Regards

Hi Geo,
I would be happy to see the best of LRL when looking for treasure in the field. Every time I look for treasure, I look for these LRLs, but I do not see them.
I only see other treasure hunters using metal detectors and other electronic equipment like resistivity probes and magnetometers.
I know one treasure hunter who lives maybe 200 km distance has a Mineoro LRL. But he does not take it on his treasure hunts.
He leaves it at home. He does not dowse either. He brings only his electronic metal detectors and digging tools.

I made invitations for people to make their demonstration to show their LRL working, but nobody can do it in Los Angeles.
I also invited anyone who wants to try a Rangertell Examiner to try it without paying to buy it.
Nobody came to try the Examiner except a few people who I recruited, and one person who read the invitation.
All of these people told me it does not find treasure for them.
I Know some people who tried using LRLs in the USA and they all tell me they cannot find any treasure with them.
They say LRLs are non-working.

I wonder why people who I see on treasure hunts in the USA do not bring LRLs to find treasure.
Maybe the LRL does not work in the USA.
Maybe it only works in Brazil, Paraguay, Portugal and Greece.

So you can see it is true I do not see the best LRL in the field when I look for treasure.
The truth I see from my eyes is not the same truth you see from your eyes.
But still I know you are not liar. I know you see LRLs when you go on your treasure hunts.
And I know people in Greece tell you LRLs are working.

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Maybe the LRL does not work in the USA.

Maybe it only works in Brazil, Paraguay, Portugal and Greece.

J_P

Yes, LRLs can be very discriminative regarding nationality. To ashame of LRL producers.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi Geo

Truth depends on a properly conducted test according of scientific criteria.

The correct test should eliminate all subjective influences of both: of the dowser as of the writer.

The writers are not afraid to participate in a scientific test, but dowsers always escape and instead of test offer quasi scientifical excuses.

Hi WM6.
I don't agree. Remember that i was accordant with you to come at my city to see how the dowsing works in real terrain. Maybe next summer. I am not a lrl seller so i have not problem to don't tell the truth. But the lrls don't work as the metal detectors. I wrote many times that the good working of lrls is depended from many conditions and i don't know them. So it is not sure that if you will make a test with a lrl, you will have good results. All the people that use lrls for treasure hunting wants from them to work good at 10...20% of the times. It is enough and believe me that i know many people who found treasures (small or big) with the lrls.

Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,
I would be happy to see the best of LRL when looking for treasure in the field. Every time I look for treasure, I look for these LRLs, but I do not see them.
I only see other treasure hunters using metal detectors and other electronic equipment like resistivity probes and magnetometers.
I know one treasure hunter who lives maybe 200 km distance has a Mineoro LRL. But he does not take it on his treasure hunts.
He leaves it at home. He does not dowse either. He brings only his electronic metal detectors and digging tools.

I made invitations for people to make their demonstration to show their LRL working, but nobody can do it in Los Angeles.
I also invited anyone who wants to try a Rangertell Examiner to try it without paying to buy it.
Nobody came to try the Examiner except a few people who I recruited, and one person who read the invitation.
All of these people told me it does not find treasure for them.
I Know some people who tried using LRLs in the USA and they all tell me they cannot find any treasure with them.
They say LRLs are non-working.

I wonder why people who I see on treasure hunts in the USA do not bring LRLs to find treasure.
Maybe the LRL does not work in the USA.
Maybe it only works in Brazil, Paraguay, Portugal and Greece.

So you can see it is true I do not see the best LRL in the field when I look for treasure.
The truth I see from my eyes is not the same truth you see from your eyes.
But still I know you are not liar. I know you see LRLs when you go on your treasure hunts.
And I know people in Greece tell you LRLs are working.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I can't do anything for you. Los Angeles is very far for me. Remember that from first time that you took the Examiner for test, i said to you that i tried it without results. I tried a lot of "lrls" and only a few of them was workable. I am sure that one condition for the working of the lrls is the earth. I saw that at Portugal there is better "earth" than here at Greece and so the "phenomenon" was more better. I don't know what are you see when you are going for treasure hunting (maybe coin hunting) but remember that USA is one of the first teacher at lrls... (Tim, Fritz, Dell, Thomas... etc). And believe me i can't believe that a man can go to a mountain full of trees with a small disk for treasure hunting???? He needs at least 1000000000 years, and if it is in big depth.......
Anyway i like to do this debate with all of you if you will see the lrls as me . Very simple, you may try to believe it and to play with it. Maybe you to see the phenomenon.

Regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi WM6.
I don't agree. Remember that i was accordant with you to come at my city to see how the dowsing works in real terrain. Maybe next summer. I am not a lrl seller so i have not problem to don't tell the truth. But the lrls don't work as the metal detectors. I wrote many times that the good working of lrls is depended from many conditions and i don't know them. So it is not sure that if you will make a test with a lrl, you will have good results. All the people that use lrls for treasure hunting wants from them to work good at 10...20% of the times. It is enough and believe me that i know many people who found treasures (small or big) with the lrls.

Regards

Hi Geo,

on reasonable arheo-rich terrain you can get 10-20% of possibilities to dig target without dowsing device and without any detector, you need only to randomly dig somewhere you like and "Voila!" you get something of valuable in at least 10% probability.

If you say to me: "So it is not sure that if you will make a test with a lrl, you will have good results.", I can answer only that I know this fact, even more, I know that LRL cannot give us any good results.

But if we mutually agree, what can then be pourpose of our test? I wish to convince you by test that LRLs are not applicable devices, but as seems you are yet convinced in this fact too?

[Geo]

[Quote = WM6? 120772] Γεια σας Geo,

με λογικούς arheo πλούσια εδάφη που μπορείτε να πάρετε 10-20% των δυνατοτήτων στόχου σκάψει χωρίς ραβδοσκοπία συσκευή και χωρίς καμία ανιχνευτή, το μόνο που χρειάζεται να σκάψει τυχαία κάπου σας αρέσει και το "Voila!" έχετε κάτι πολύτιμο σε ποσοστό τουλάχιστον 10% πιθανότητα.

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Δεν ψάχνω για arheo αντικείμενα. Είναι πολύ πολύ κίνδυνος να πάμε φυλακή.
Έτσι ψάχνω για άλλους θησαυρούς και αν θα σκάψει χωρίς lrl .....
Δεν έχω κανένα πρόβλημα αν εσείς ή οποιοδήποτε άλλο πρόσωπο που μπορεί να μου αποδείξει για την κακή λειτουργική του lrls. Αλλά τι μπορείτε να πείτε σχετικά με τα αντικείμενα που βρήκα με την lrls?
Regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Geo

[Quote = WM6? 120772]

But what can you say about the objects found by lrls?

Regards

Geo, if true, I become hard believer in this case.

But you must first convinced me that those object was really fund by LRL and not only by coincidence or even by help of MD. Hard business too.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Geo

[Quote = WM6? 120772] Γεια σας Geo,

με λογικούς arheo πλούσια εδάφη που μπορείτε να πάρετε 10-20% των δυνατοτήτων στόχου σκάψει χωρίς ραβδοσκοπία συσκευή και χωρίς καμία ανιχνευτή, το μόνο που χρειάζεται να σκάψει τυχαία κάπου σας αρέσει και το "Voila!" έχετε κάτι πολύτιμο σε ποσοστό τουλάχιστον 10% πιθανότητα.

[/ Quote]

Δεν ψάχνω για arheo αντικείμενα. Είναι πολύ πολύ κίνδυνος να πάμε φυλακή.
Έτσι ψάχνω για άλλους θησαυρούς και αν θα σκάψει χωρίς lrl .....
Δεν έχω κανένα πρόβλημα αν εσείς ή οποιοδήποτε άλλο πρόσωπο που μπορεί να μου αποδείξει για την κακή λειτουργική του lrls. Αλλά τι μπορείτε να πείτε σχετικά με τα αντικείμενα που βρήκα με την lrls?
Regards

Hi Geo

I translate your grrek letter,i agree with you. I also live in a country where people can have trouble when search for archeologic treasures,so i only make my searche out of archeological places.
About LRL´s,i still studing the PD and Mineoro,also i´m working in another LRL with the help of a friend (EE),something that i hope it will be even better than the Alonso´s PD,of course all the LRL´s (eletronics) that manufactures claim to detect treasure hundreds of meters,they are liers,they are FRAUD.
Also i have desire to put here many pictures of my objects found with PD,and video with the evidence of the phenomenom realy exist,but dont know if there is some enemy submarines around who can cause some troubles for me,or maybe the government finances will ask me questions...Congratulations for all the American and english TH´s who can go searching without problems with no people pointing the finger saying this is ILEGAL !!!

Regards

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

good evening Qiaozhi: You posted--> that you, Art, Hung, Mike (Mont) and the rest, believe in the medieval practices of dowsing.
the ability to exclude scientific evidence that proves dowsing is nothing more than a trick of the mind.
*************

Add Carl to that list. "And Here Carl admitted that he could dowse, but just wasn't sure or it's usefulness"???

Besides, since I found my wedding ring 9 times out of 10, I have no doubt that it exists.

Many that try to learn / master it in 10 or 15 minutes, seem to forget that while it is a natural process, so was walking and talking originally for you, yet it took a long time to master them. Why should Dowsing be any different?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

good evening Qiaozhi: You posted--> that you, Art, Hung, Mike (Mont) and the rest, believe in the medieval practices of dowsing.
the ability to exclude scientific evidence that proves dowsing is nothing more than a trick of the mind.
*************

Add Carl to that list. "And Here Carl admitted that he could dowse, but just wasn't sure or it's usefulness"???

Besides, since I found my wedding ring 9 times out of 10, I have no doubt that it exists.

Many that try to learn / master it in 10 or 15 minutes, seem to forget that while it is a natural process, so was walking and talking originally for you, yet it took a long time to master them. Why should Dowsing be any different?

Don Jose de La Mancha
"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

Hi Mr Don,
I was wondering...
Where can I read where Carl admitted that he could dowse?
I am anxious to read this.
Thank you in advance.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Don Jose de La Mancha]

Hio, go to TN and do your search. It is in a post in which he replied to me, or better yet, just ask him

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Don Jose de La Mancha

Hio, go to TN and do your search. It is in a post in which he replied to me, or better yet, just ask him

Hi Don Jose

you must read/understand what Carl admitted correct. Anyone could dowse. Skeptic too. Me too. But question is of results of such dowsing. There are no useful dowsing results.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi Don Jose

you must read/understand what Carl admitted correct. Anyone could dowse. Skeptic too. Me too. But question is of results of such dowsing. There are no useful dowsing results.

You mean...
Dowsing is real... same as guessing is real?

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Morgan

...Congratulations for all the American and english TH´s who can go searching without problems with no people pointing the finger saying this is ILEGAL !!!

Regards

Hi WM6,
In America, treasure hunting is maybe half legal. If you hunt in a park, then a park ranger will probably stop you from finding treasure. But only half the time. In England the law is much better. You can hunt and find your treasure, then you will be paid fair price for the treasure you find. The English museum will have the treasure and you will have the fair money for finding the treasure. Your money will come after using your metal detector, not after using your LRL....

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by WM6

Geo, if true, I become hard believer in this case.

But you must first convinced me that those object was really fund by LRL and not only by coincidence or even by help of MD. Hard business too.

Hi wm6.

Why to do all this????
No reason. I am not interesting to persuade anyone here. Very simple we make a debate. I find objects with lrls regardless of you... if you believe or not. It is not business for me (Hard or soft)..

Regards

[Mike(Mont)]

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Techn...20Radiates.pdf

Notice the diagram on the coulomb field "rings".

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Techn...20Radiates.pdf

Notice the diagram on the coulomb field "rings".

So....if we turn the antenna this way....such as a dowsing wand or LRL would be....signal goes how many mile in front of it?

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Jim

So....if we turn the antenna this way....such as a dowsing wand or LRL would be....signal goes how many mile in front of it?

Hi Jim

you probably do not understand how LRL antenna positioned in such way work.

This way turned antenna do not radiate nothing apart target but accelerate beam of neutrinos to hit target.

Picture say more than 10000 words:

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Hi Geo

I translate your grrek letter,i agree with you. I also live in a country where people can have trouble when search for archeologic treasures,so i only make my searche out of archeological places.
About LRL´s,i still studing the PD and Mineoro,also i´m working in another LRL with the help of a friend (EE),something that i hope it will be even better than the Alonso´s PD,of course all the LRL´s (eletronics) that manufactures claim to detect treasure hundreds of meters,they are liers,they are FRAUD.
Also i have desire to put here many pictures of my objects found with PD,and video with the evidence of the phenomenom realy exist,but dont know if there is some enemy submarines around who can cause some troubles for me,or maybe the government finances will ask me questions...Congratulations for all the American and english TH´s who can go searching without problems with no people pointing the finger saying this is ILEGAL !!!

Regards

Hi Morgan.
Sorry for my text at greek..., i don't use translator to write but only at the end i use it to check for some errors, so i forgot to return to original (English). I wish you good luck with your new lrl, but i don't agree at the point about hundreds of meters. I saw lrls with this ability, especially the ferrite lrl who i wrote at RS. I believe that there are many principles about the workable of good lrls but some persons or companies keep them secret...
I saw a lot of lrls but only 4 was good!!!. The bad is that i was not the owner on one of them.
Also me as you, i have photos of objects that i found but it is very dangerous to attach them here.

Regards

[Geo]

For Morgan...
One photo of my visit to Faro....
Do you remember something...

Regards