US Department of Justice Identifies MFD and HID as Worthless Dowsing Gadgets

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Actually the people at Quadro, did use one of my Frequency Discriminators (MFD) to find a sunken River boat, and recovered a safe with $ 50,000 + in it, before they invented Quadro.

I can do that too, when my dowsing rod is pointing down it means the sunken boat is below the water.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

I can do that too, when my dowsing rod is pointing down it means the sunken boat is below the water.

Hmmmm.....
I guess that's true indicator that proves it works because it will always show the target is below the surface of the water or below the surface of the earth, Never a false reading showing the target is buried in the sky...

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Just read what electronics people are saying in their advertising about the LRL products they manufacture. Are you a believer in what Electronic Engineers, and Techs say?

Apparently not. Neither am I.
Electronics people are ripping off LRL customers with deceptive advertising, and high prices.

Again, I repeat. There is no relation between the method of Discrimination used by Quadro, and my MFD products, so quit trying to inference a connection. You are speaking in ignorance.

You also ignore a pertinent fact. The Government, with all it's resources, was unable to prove it's case against Quadro. Quadro, was found "NOT GUILTY" of all charges.

If you don't like the verdict, take it up with the Justice department, not me. Dell

It's an MFD and it's worthless... like all the others.

Ignorance ? Me ?

Have you graduated in physics at Harvard , no ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hmmmm.....
I guess that's true indicator that proves it works because it will always show the target is below the surface of the water or below the surface of the earth, Never a false reading showing the target is buried in the sky...

Best wishes,
J_P

Hmmmmmm......

it's like a plumabob...

useful...at least!

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

...At my own expense, I went to Carolina, purchased a Quadro, field tested it for a week in that envoirment, and dissected the Quadro, 3 months before it went on the market. I cautioned Treasure Hunters against purchasing the product.

Hi Dell,
When you dissected the Quadro, did you find there was nothing inside as was written on the page Max posted? Or did you find something inside?

"Sandia Labs of Albuquerque, New Mexico, took one apart and discovered that there is nothing inside".

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Dell,
When you dissected the Quadro, did you find there was nothing inside as was written on the page Max posted? Or did you find something inside?

"Sandia Labs of Albuquerque, New Mexico, took one apart and discovered that there is nothing inside".

Best wishes,
J_P

Maybe found nothing... apart some plastic chip...

I think he uses that box now for the Viagra stuff.... the stuff used for for fishing!

Just I don't know where he find the brainless chicks like at MTV... maybe uses dowsing rods to locate them...

Or money from customers...

Dell... take it easy... it's just a joke!

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Max

Maybe found nothing... apart some plastic chip...

Thats what I was wondering. If Sandia labs found there was nothing inside, and Quadro people claim there is a chip inside that oscillates, then either they did not put the chip inside, or maybe they did, and Sandia Labs couldn't find it. Just wondering if Dell found anything at all inside, and if so, what he found?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

It's an MFD and it's worthless... like all the others.

Ignorance ? Me ?

Have you graduated in physics at Harvard , no ?

Kind regards,
Max

Have you graduated in physics at Harvard?

Physics? How about Earth Science, applied Physics?

Alas, another scientific pretender proudly brain washing him self in mindless rhetoric.

I'm sorry, I didn't lecture at Harvard, so perhaps you have an excuse for your displays of ignorance, Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

You also ignore a pertinent fact. The Government, with all it's resources, was unable to prove it's case against Quadro. Quadro, was found "NOT GUILTY" of all charges.

On January 19, 1996, the FBI Economic Crimes unit seized the merchandise and records of the Quadro Corporation and arrested its officers. In April, 1996, a federal judge issued a permanent injunction against Quadro Corp, which was convicted of engaging in a mail and wire scheme to defraud customers, under statutes 18 U.S.C. 1341 and 1343.

Hmmm... the case looks "proved" to me.
You must be careful who you defraud.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Just read what electronics people are saying in their advertising about the LRL products they manufacture. Are you a believer in what Electronic Engineers, and Techs say?

Apparently not. Neither am I.
Electronics people are ripping off LRL customers with deceptive advertising, and high prices.

Dell, that is very kind of you. Lord knows, we wouldn't want to be taken in by those lying electronic folks lying about their LRLs.

Again, I repeat. There is no relation between the method of Discrimination used by Quadro, and my MFD products, so quit trying to inference a connection. You are speaking in ignorance.

Of course your multi-frequency discriminator is different since it was designed by someone that knows noting about electronics. I mean, it
doesn't work, but in a different way than that other LRL.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Of course your multi-frequency discriminator is different since it was designed by someone that knows noting about electronics. I mean, it
doesn't work, but in a different way than that other LRL.

In fact, the 3 Quadro employees were later acquitted, but it was because the Department Of Justice could not prove intent to defraud. However, the device was proved to be worthless and Quadro was closed down.

So it appears they were also ignorant of electronics.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

In fact, the 3 Quadro employees were later acquitted, but it was because the Department Of Justice could not prove intent to defraud. However, the device was proved to be worthless and Quadro was closed down.

So it appears they were also ignorant of electronics.

The three employees did not intend to defraud....
So what did they intend to do? Whatever their boss told them to do?
Maybe they were just shipping clerks who didn't know what was in the boxes?
And the guy who sweeps the floor?

I guess you gotta be careful when you see a job offer for shipping clerk or janitor.
If you don't check out the company you're working for, you could end up in federal court.
At least they didn't work for a company who told them to deliver packages, and return with locked suitcases handed to them by the customers...

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Have you graduated in physics at Harvard?

Physics? How about Earth Science, applied Physics?

Alas, another scientific pretender proudly brain washing him self in mindless rhetoric.

I'm sorry, I didn't lecture at Harvard, so perhaps you have an excuse for your displays of ignorance, Dell

poor Dell... use the Quadro as viagra pills-box!

At least you're smart enough to understand it can be used for a smarter thing (and worth) than dowsing!

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

In fact, the 3 Quadro employees were later acquitted, but it was because the Department Of Justice could not prove intent to defraud. However, the device was proved to be worthless and Quadro was closed down.

So it appears they were also ignorant of electronics.

Don't they graduated in physics at Harvad like Dell ???

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

The three employees did not intend to defraud....
So what did they intend to do? Whatever their boss told them to do?
Maybe they were just shipping clerks who didn't know what was in the boxes?
And the guy who sweeps the floor?

I guess you gotta be careful when you see a job offer for shipping clerk or janitor.
If you don't check out the company you're working for, you could end up in federal court.
At least they didn't work for a company who told them to deliver packages, and return with locked suitcases handed to them by the customers...

Best wishes,
J_P

Yes that's true...

There's such kind of risk... I also know that an attorney who supported Quadro was fined by court... $5000 or something similar.

I don't know if he was aware that the gizmoes were fake...

You know... the risks exist in this world... so maybe you think you'll support a good and respectable hi-tech company and then , just later, discover it's just a fraud stuff...

It's clear why... if even people that know about electronics can be tricked by these claims what about a lawyer or attorney who (usually) don't ???

But if you consider that stuff in any aspect you'll see is not much different from TV-selling stuff... that promise miracle for that special e.g. plantar or something (think electro-medical stuff also) but then are plain frauds to unawared customers.

Now... not anyone has a degree in physics at Harvard... so they easy trick people that way... but how many are so stupid to sell such a long range device to the FBI ???

They have dug their own graves.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Max

Yes that's true...

There's such kind of risk... I also know that an attorney who supported Quadro was fined by court... $5000 or something similar.

I don't know if he was aware that the gizmoes were fake...

It's clear why... if even people that know about electronics can be tricked by these claims what about a lawyer or attorney who (usually) don't ???

Sure,,,
The attorney working for the Quadro poeple got his information from them...

...The frequency chip is oscillated by static electricity produced by the body [of the user] inhaling and exhaling gases into and out of the lung cavity. This static electricity is propagated on the surface of the body to the tracker which utilizes the charge to oscillate the chip....All matter contains exact molecular frequencies. When a magnetic field is created by a contained electrically charged body moving through space at a perpendicular angle moving to its direction, and that field is brought into alignment with another exact field, resonating at the identical frequency modulation, then both objects attract, just as two bodies are attracted toward each other in a gravitational field".

When he told this stuff to the court, no wonder they fined him!

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

In fact, the 3 Quadro employees were later acquitted, but it was because the Department Of Justice could not prove intent to defraud. However, the device was proved to be worthless and Quadro was closed down.

So it appears they were also ignorant of electronics.

That is very true. It was decided by their lawyer the best defense would be to plead total ignorance of any intent for wrong doing. And... It worked like a charm.

Kind of reminds me of the same routine from another scammer. Apparently they learn from each other, and by studying what works should they ever be hauled into court.

[Fred]

If i am being paid to stick decals on empty boxes with funny looking i am not sure i can be held responsible for what the boss will do with the finished product.

For example can Pillips workers assembling TV sets be held responsible if the TVs dont work as advertised?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

If i am being paid to stick decals on empty boxes with funny looking i am not sure i can be held responsible for what the boss will do with the finished product.

For example can Pillips workers assembling TV sets be held responsible if the TVs dont work as advertised?

That sounds right to me.
So should we apply for a job putting Omnitron decals on boxes to be shipped?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by Theseus

That is very true. It was decided by their lawyer the best defense would be to plead total ignorance of any intent for wrong doing. And... It worked like a charm.

Kind of reminds me of the same routine from another scammer. Apparently they learn from each other, and by studying what works should they ever be hauled into court.

No...

They graduated all together in Physics at Harvard!

And in scams and frauds at Omnifu%k University...

Like Madoff... ops...

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

With the Target Discriminator You don't need a mental image of what you are searching for, or even know what kind of a sample is in the chamber for it to Discriminate to select targets. It works on principles of physics. No mental dowsing ability is required. Like an expensive LRL, It can also be used to generate Signal lines, to help detect, and trace to targets from a distance, but at a fraction of the cost of an LRL.

It certainly would be interesting to know which principles of physics are involved in this PVC plumbing device.

Only principle that is real obvious would be when cash changes hands, from the buyer to the seller.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Theseus

It certainly would be interesting to know which principles of physics are involved in this PVC plumbing device.

Only principle that is real obvious would be when cash changes hands, from the buyer to the seller.

Nice joke....ops...

But that's not politically correct!

Just serious posts from now on...

Kind regards,
Max

[WM6]

If "Quadro" are convicted, than they are guilty.

Very simple thing, for their innocence they would have to prove that their boxes really act according to their promotional claims.

But they can not be able to show to jury such fact.

Everything else is just religious self-illusion's needed for LRL believers to survival.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Quote:
With the Target Discriminator You don't need a mental image of what you are searching for, or even know what kind of a sample is in the chamber for it to Discriminate to select targets. It works on principles of physics. No mental dowsing ability is required. Like an expensive LRL, It can also be used to generate Signal lines, to help detect, and trace to targets from a distance, but at a fraction of the cost of an LRL.
It certainly would be interesting to know which principles of physics are involved in this PVC plumbing device.

Only principle that is real obvious would be when cash changes hands, from the buyer to the seller.
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Ok, I'm sold!
I have been using a two-segment section of a styrofoam egg carton I salvaged from the trash to discriminate targets, with ZERO success rate. And I'm tired of it.
I want some high tech stuff based on physics that really works.

Sure, I wanna know where my lost can of chili beans are, but I also want to find some gold too. If this thing really works, then sign me up!
How much is it?
Where do I send in my cash, check, or money order?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Ok, I'm sold!

J_P

I'm still waiting for Amphibious self digging robotic version.