Rangertell LRL discreditation

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Yes, this is expected. I already did this test in the past.
Also, if you place the magnet in a strait line with the gold sample and you pass with the examiner in between, it will tend to point to the magnet.
I did hold the magnet in my right hand close to the handle and checked if it could locate the gold sample on the floor. At first, the aerial seemed 'confused' to where to point. Then in the second and third tries, it could locate the target even holding the magnet.
This all was done with the original swivel examiner. And the explanations are as follows:

The examiner works by aligning its aerial trough the law of charges to the sample in which the input frequency of the element sought acts as a waveguide. This attraction force is very diminute as the device only produces micro volts and currents. The body is a natural charge booster and sometimes, mainly in the evening you will experience a considerable detection power decrease. This seems to be confirmed in all users.
The refrigerator magnet even being small produces a strong field which is able to move fast a compass nearby and it's many times more powerful than the lines of force hitting the aerial in the gold sample's case alone. Naturally, the aerial will suffer strong interference and will tend to align to the strongest force around. You will notice that if you have a polarized magnet, the examiner will tend to open or close depending on the pole the magnet is facing the aerial.
But then comes the interesting part. After repeated tests several months ago, I noticed that despite of that, after the first temptatives with the magnet present, the examiner started to overcome this and in the second and third tries it could locate the target. The 100% failure rate did not happen, but the average sucess rate with the magnet present was lower.
The explanation to this in my view is that my mind/body electromagnetic field started to produce a differential to overcome this. The aerial captured this 'differential' and it could work better to avoid the alien magnetic interference.
I later discovered that by pressing a simple key in the examiner helped even more.

Carl Moreland used to use this dirty magnet trick to mess up dowsers in his freaky tests.
But I know some examiner users and also dowsers who seem to be immune to magnets around and they proceed locating the targets with no problems. They deserve to be a case of deeper studies.

If you can go to Magnet Island, please do it and see how the examiner reacts there and if you can locate your gold sample with the strong magnetic fields around you. This is a different aproach from the simple magnet case. It's a real field condition. If you suceed at least once or twice, this will prove that there's a way to make your examiner work in such conditions.
Regards.

This is just absolute nonsense, based purely on pseudo-scientific claptrap. There is no natural charge boosting from the body, or any interference from magnets. The whole delusion is in your mind - what there is of it.
Pure self-deception. But - of course - there's not really much point in telling you this, is there? Go and take the $25,000 challenge, if you're so confident in your LRL's capabilities. Then we can all have a good laugh.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

... Go and take the $25,000 challenge, if you're so confident in your LRL's capabilities. Then we can all have a good laugh.

Did you notice the new problem? Carl has planted magnets everywhere, they need to mentally overcome this problem first... this i why the 25000usd remain there
Everything has an explanation in the LRL world!
Regards,
Fred.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

Carl Moreland used to use this dirty magnet trick to mess up dowsers in his freaky tests.

Once again, whenever dowsers can't do what they say they can do, it somehow must be ol' Carl's fault. Magnets have no effect whatsoever on dowsing or LRLs, beyond the pure imagination of the practitioner. So even if I did tote in a magnet to a dowsing test it would make no difference, as long as the dowser had no knowledge of it. Such a "dirty trick" would be as pointless as secretly putting a voodoo spell on the test area.

But I have to say, your fabrications are at least getting a little more creative.

- Carl

P.S. -- are "nearby magnets" in my "Frequently Articulated Excuses" list? I'll have to add it! Oh, the alibis!

[hipopp]

There is a saying that ..a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
I am seeing this now with the attitude of some people to the ranger LRL. They want it to be an analogue device which is something they can understand...you know ...it's gotta have a wire or two connected. I mean the whole mobile phone network is a fraud cos there ain't no wires connectin' it baby. Yo ho it ain't got no circuit can't fool me will never work....but it does. All matter produces its own electric and magnetic fields but they aren't there cos yer can;t see them right? I can't see Resonance in action so it ain't real right? A simple LCR circuit in a rangertell is too simple right? so it can't work. Never heard so much frivolous uninformed technical assessment. This rangertell is awesome in that it remembers detecting an object and has to be degaussed between settings but now carl is saying a magnet has no effect (on a coil for god's sake, an inductor.) Hey carl basic kids stuff move a magnet over a coil yer produce an EMF, how you think you get power from your electric suupply in the house. You just re wrote the entire script for producing and harnessing electricity. OK i have said enough for now....there seems to be a horrible resistance to anything that looks like a resonant circuit in the minds of the folk here on geophysics. Cannot understand your attitudes at all unless someone is on the payroll of the (expenxsive) traditional type metal detectors. All this started from doing an old bloke here in australia a favour by giving him an unbiased appraisal of the rangertell, and, in the meantime he found the geophysics site and the bias and prejudice here and in the wash i copped a hiding if not abuse from reporting correctly without fear nor favour. I must be missing something.

[Max]

Originally Posted by hipopp

There is a saying that ..a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
I am seeing this now with the attitude of some people to the ranger LRL. They want it to be an analogue device which is something they can understand...you know ...it's gotta have a wire or two connected. I mean the whole mobile phone network is a fraud cos there ain't no wires connectin' it baby. Yo ho it ain't got no circuit can't fool me will never work....but it does. All matter produces its own electric and magnetic fields but they aren't there cos yer can;t see them right? I can't see Resonance in action so it ain't real right? A simple LCR circuit in a rangertell is too simple right? so it can't work. Never heard so much frivolous uninformed technical assessment. This rangertell is awesome in that it remembers detecting an object and has to be degaussed between settings but now carl is saying a magnet has no effect (on a coil for god's sake, an inductor.) Hey carl basic kids stuff move a magnet over a coil yer produce an EMF, how you think you get power from your electric suupply in the house. You just re wrote the entire script for producing and harnessing electricity. OK i have said enough for now....there seems to be a horrible resistance to anything that looks like a resonant circuit in the minds of the folk here on geophysics. Cannot understand your attitudes at all unless someone is on the payroll of the (expenxsive) traditional type metal detectors. All this started from doing an old bloke here in australia a favour by giving him an unbiased appraisal of the rangertell, and, in the meantime he found the geophysics site and the bias and prejudice here and in the wash i copped a hiding if not abuse from reporting correctly without fear nor favour. I must be missing something.

Hi,
who want anoalog devices ? And for what purpose ?

And what have you on hand ? Isn't it some mumbo jumbo non-sense electronics ? Haven't you a digital calculator and some inductor there glued around ?

What's the meaning of "resonance" you say ??? There are many kind of resonances but seems you focused on some calculator noise interaction with target.... if so... I'm sure my toaster have much more resonance to gold than your RT!

LCR meter ? Where ? Inside RT there isn't... otherwise it could serve for something useful... apart making a flask for whiskey... changing the pot with a cork.

Magnets ???

So... let me tell you... when you talk about detection of a small nugget on the floor... inside an house... do you really knows how many magnets have you around ???

MDs are expensive ??? Some really are expensive but few... others go for 50-200$ not big price I think, think at ACE150 and 250... good , entry level, disc MDs from Garrett...at a reasonable price... and other brands have similar models too. Not for free but very cheapy.

But what about RT cost , uh ??? C'mon write it here !

But MDs give you REAL detection... not random beeps.

You're completely stoned... I see... like the rocks of the outback...the outback's sun hit very hard there!

Kind regards,
Max

[hipopp]

carl...i would suggest you advise your folk here not to be wasting their time here mucking about with expensive consumer packaged toys to look for gold and gems. why not tell them about the phenomena of Resonance. you know all matter resonates with its own individual frequency. glass metal iron gems thumbnails banjos everything. You know about resonance i take it..a small change to a resonant circuit causes a huge sometimes 1000 or more times change in the current oscillating in the resonant circuit...so the target can be extremely weak. why not tell your folk how to build thier own, easy once you know the resonant frequency of the target such as gold for example. You might have to build a huge aerial and carry the device around in the back of your semi trailer as well ...or ...you could just go out and buy yourself a Rangertell LRL which is smaller cos it works off a harmonic of the original resonant frequency allowing you to make it smaller. The principle of operation is no , i say again, no different to the tuning knob on a transistor radio with your body as an aerial and the inductance from currents from the calculator assisting in the discrimnation of the target signal. The ranger was designed by a geoliogist for use in the detection of minerals/fields. It has always been recomended to be used in conjunction with a standard metal detector because of the time/efficiency constraints sometime associated with professional industrial application.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by hipopp

There is a saying that ..a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing..

Not for you.

Originally Posted by hipopp

...it's gotta have a wire or two connected. I mean the whole mobile phone network is a fraud cos there ain't no wires connectin' it baby. Yo ho it ain't got no circuit can't fool me will never work....but it does. All matter produces its own electric and magnetic fields but they aren't there cos yer can;t see them right? I can't see Resonance in action so it ain't real right? A simple LCR circuit in a rangertell is too simple right? so it can't work. Never heard so much frivolous uninformed technical assessment.

This is ridiculous: it is precisely the opposite :everybody believes in wireless etc etc because its principles are well documented and understood,unlike the rangertell.

Originally Posted by hipopp

Hey carl basic kids stuff move a magnet over a coil yer produce an EMF, how you think you get power from your electric suupply in the house. .).

Since when are magnet involved in powerplant generators?

Originally Posted by hipopp

OK i have said enough for now.....

I agree...

Originally Posted by hipopp

.. in the minds of the folk here on geophysics. .

You keep referring to geophysics, do you mean "Geotech"?
Fred.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Once again, whenever dowsers can't do what they say they can do, it somehow must be ol' Carl's fault. Magnets have no effect whatsoever on dowsing or LRLs, beyond the pure imagination of the practitioner. So even if I did tote in a magnet to a dowsing test it would make no difference, as long as the dowser had no knowledge of it. Such a "dirty trick" would be as pointless as secretly putting a voodoo spell on the test area.

But I have to say, your fabrications are at least getting a little more creative.

R-e-a-l-l-y?

Who's fabricating something here? So now you will deny your every dirty trick used on dowsers in the past?
Should I remind you of one your apparent 'dumb' questions directed to Mike Tune at the time of the treasure tracker challenge? What was that question Carl, uh?

About... if the TT was affected by magnets, which made Mike question if you were thinking about doing something 'off the record'?

And now one more fabrication stating the magnets don't affect the movement of rods!
C'mon Carl, every dowser knows that. Who are you pretending to fool here?

Did you recede in your knowledge about dowsing if any?

[Max]

Originally Posted by hung

R-e-a-l-l-y?

Who's fabricating something here? So now you will deny your every dirty trick used on dowsers in the past?
Should I remind you of one your apparent 'dumb' questions directed to Mike Tune at the time of the treasure tracker challenge? What was that question Carl, uh?

About... if the TT was affected by magnets, which made Mike question if you were thinking about doing something 'off the record'?

And now one more fabrication stating the magnets don't affect the movement of rods!
C'mon Carl, every dowser knows that. Who are you pretending to fool here?

Did you recede in your knowledge about dowsing if any?

Hi,
if magnets are so relevant in the failure of LRL process... why the hell he claimed can detect a gold nugget on the floor inside a room ??? explain that, you're so smart!

Or he hasn't magnets at that place ???

New age guy... or just full BS story about that magnets interferences...
and lrl nugget detection at meters away... take your pick!

So he miss that pretty things in the picture maybe...

I think it's just another fairy tale... this time without magnets.

So, I must assume he hasn't a cellphone, a creditcard, some vhs tape around... no computer/harddisk, no crt, no microphones, no headphones, no table phones, no electric motors, no compass, no transformer cores, no magnetic gadgets, no magnetic toys, no nails in the wall, no rebars in concrete etc etc...

Pretty minimalist place... made of wood , paper and hot melt glue ? good for new age madness! Maybe he's also vegetarian !

But don't eat legumes... cause need low iron content in the blood... so... I just wonder which would be his protein source ??? No meat ... no legumes... so what ??? Eggs maybe ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

Who's fabricating something here? So now you will deny your every dirty trick used on dowsers in the past?

You want me to deny something you fabricated? Sure, I'll deny it, because it never happened.

And now one more fabrication stating the magnets don't affect the movement of rods!
C'mon Carl, every dowser knows that. Who are you pretending to fool here?

It's only an issue in the imagination of the dowser. Keep in mind, some dowsers tape magnets to their foreheads in the belief that it helps them! But if you do randomized blind testing on the effects of magnets on dowsing, you'll find there are no effects. Just like gloves, rubber boots, and signal generators. It's all imaginary.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

Hippop,

The whole "theory" of gold resonating at some special frequency is an age-old dowsing fantasy. It doesn't happen. Never has, never will. You believe it happens because someone told you it does, and the RT has deceived you with a simple but convincing ideomotor response.

I have watched many dowsers perform self-tests that do nothing but reinforce their self-deception. I have worked with some of those dowsers and showed them proper test techniques that, when applied, results in the sudden and spectacular failure of their dowsing ability. It just didn't exist.

You're at the point with the RT where you are 100% convinced that it works, and the debate here will do nothing to change that. That's OK, seen it many times. You can do what most dowsers do, go off and use your dowsing rod for years, in the continued belief it is doing something it is not. Maybe with the help of a metal detector, you might occasionally find a nugget here or there. But I'll bet those Minelab boys will be cleaning house while you're chasing alibis.

A second route, one that I admit dowsers rarely take, is to find out for certain whether the RT works, or whether it is a mind trick. I told you in an email that there is an Australian skeptics group that has tested many dowsers, so they are fully aware of proper test techniques. Look them up, I bet they'll be glad to work with you. What you'll find is that under rigorous randomized blind conditions (which is still easier than field conditions) the RT will simply stop working.

Now here's the punch line: dowsing and LRL proponents who are familiar with randomized blind testing will readily admit that such tests ALWAYS fail, and most avoid such tests and actively denounce them. I've yet to test a dowser who has walked away from a failed test (and they've ALL failed) and admitted that dowsing just doesn't work; they blame the test. Denial runs deep in this game.

I'm sure that LRL proponents will tell you stay far far away from bad ol' scientific testing, so my expectations are that you will just continue believing what you want to believe. And that's fine. If you're having fun with it then, by golly, have fun. Everyone needs a little adventure in life, even if it's imaginary.

- Carl

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hipopp

carl...i would suggest you advise your folk here not to be wasting their time here mucking about with expensive consumer packaged toys to look for gold and gems. why not tell them about the phenomena of Resonance. you know all matter resonates with its own individual frequency. glass metal iron gems thumbnails banjos everything. You know about resonance i take it..a small change to a resonant circuit causes a huge sometimes 1000 or more times change in the current oscillating in the resonant circuit...so the target can be extremely weak.

Why would you want Carl to lie to people? All matter DOES NOT resonate at an individual frequency. That is strictly a myth, concocted by LRL salesmen to sucker the "gullible" into buying worthless (overly expensive) dowsing contraptions. And, don't start talking about MRIs, because that is not the same thing at all.

You have been mentally brainwashed to think so, but you are very wrong in those beliefs. Vincent Blanes (RT) has sold you a bogus theory and a totally bogus (junk) dowsing gadget.

If you once would test your dowsing gadget according to a well-structured double-blind test protocol, you would see how you've been "taken in" by a clever scam artist, Vincent Blanes. Right now he is laughing all the way to the bank with your cash.

If the device actually worked, as advertised, the last thing he would be doing is selling it; rather he would be out using it and would not have time to run his marketing and sales schemes. The fact is, it doesn't work any better than ordinary guessing, and that's why he can make more cash selling it than he ever could using it.

I'm very sorry you have been robbed of your hard-earned cash. It's a very expensive lesson.

[hung]

Carl,

To many skeptic's dismay and at your own, I see that you get even further from understanding what dowsing is every year. And worse, you seem to 'un-learn' some scientific basis to back up your own as well.

[Steve in MS]

Here is the bottom line on LRL, does it work or not. Then how often will it work successfully. Still all we have is someones' word that they work, that is not enough though because we all know cellphones, radios, standard metal detectors, etc work because we see the results of them being used every day. A controlled test with other people present other than devout LRL users will be necessary to prove their usefulness otherwise all that left is a never ending debate that goes nowhere.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hipopp

I am a retired former technician/technical officer and i just happen to know about these things OK?

Actually, it's not ok, especially since you went on to say:

Originally Posted by hipopp

There is a saying that ..a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

You can say that again!

Originally Posted by hipopp

I am seeing this now with the attitude of some people to the ranger LRL. They want it to be an analogue device which is something they can understand...you know ...it's gotta have a wire or two connected. I mean the whole mobile phone network is a fraud cos there ain't no wires connectin' it baby. Yo ho it ain't got no circuit can't fool me will never work....but it does. All matter produces its own electric and magnetic fields but they aren't there cos yer can;t see them right? I can't see Resonance in action so it ain't real right? A simple LCR circuit in a rangertell is too simple right? so it can't work. Never heard so much frivolous uninformed technical assessment. This rangertell is awesome in that it remembers detecting an object and has to be degaussed between settings but now carl is saying a magnet has no effect (on a coil for god's sake, an inductor.) Hey carl basic kids stuff move a magnet over a coil yer produce an EMF, how you think you get power from your electric suupply in the house. You just re wrote the entire script for producing and harnessing electricity. OK i have said enough for now....there seems to be a horrible resistance to anything that looks like a resonant circuit in the minds of the folk here on geophysics. Cannot understand your attitudes at all unless someone is on the payroll of the (expenxsive) traditional type metal detectors. All this started from doing an old bloke here in australia a favour by giving him an unbiased appraisal of the rangertell, and, in the meantime he found the geophysics site and the bias and prejudice here and in the wash i copped a hiding if not abuse from reporting correctly without fear nor favour. I must be missing something.

Clearly you do not "know about these things".

Originally Posted by hipopp

carl...i would suggest you advise your folk here not to be wasting their time here mucking about with expensive consumer packaged toys to look for gold and gems. why not tell them about the phenomena of Resonance. you know all matter resonates with its own individual frequency. glass metal iron gems thumbnails banjos everything. You know about resonance i take it..a small change to a resonant circuit causes a huge sometimes 1000 or more times change in the current oscillating in the resonant circuit...so the target can be extremely weak. why not tell your folk how to build thier own, easy once you know the resonant frequency of the target such as gold for example. You might have to build a huge aerial and carry the device around in the back of your semi trailer as well ...or ...you could just go out and buy yourself a Rangertell LRL which is smaller cos it works off a harmonic of the original resonant frequency allowing you to make it smaller. The principle of operation is no , i say again, no different to the tuning knob on a transistor radio with your body as an aerial and the inductance from currents from the calculator assisting in the discrimnation of the target signal. The ranger was designed by a geoliogist for use in the detection of minerals/fields. It has always been recomended to be used in conjunction with a standard metal detector because of the time/efficiency constraints sometime associated with professional industrial application.

Blimey ... you are one confused individual.
As Carl said - have fun with the RT - but, please keep it to yourself. We don't encourage wallet-mining here.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

Carl,

To many skeptic's dismay and at your own, I see that you get even further from understanding what dowsing is every year. And worse, you seem to 'un-learn' some scientific basis to back up your own as well.

Since every dowser I've ever met has been unable to do what he says he can do when I'm watching, and after looking at over 20 LRLs and finding utter nonsense surrounded by bogus claims and even outright fraud (of which RangerTell is one of the worst), there is no other conclusion I could possibly arrive at.

If I'm wrong, then surely someone can show me I'm wrong. But every time they try, I turn out to be right.

- Carl

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Since every dowser I've ever met has been unable to do what he says he can do when I'm watching, and after looking at over 20 LRLs and finding utter nonsense surrounded by bogus claims and even outright fraud (of which RangerTell is one of the worst), there is no other conclusion I could possibly arrive at.

What about the dowsers who think it's not relevant at all to take your dumb tests which serve the only purpose of promoting yourself? Are they on your list too or you just count the half a dozen that decide to knock on your door?

I already told about how the RT led me to two treasure sites. This was before I develop my own system.
I know of someone which by the way you are aware of him too who has a RT and found a jar of coins with it. Most important, he detected this from miles away and entering some keys in the examiner, he could estimate the distance it was at. To make this story short, the coins were lying only 4 feet from where he had estimated.
Does it also sound ideomotor to you ? Or ... maybe he suceeded cause you were not watching?

If I'm wrong, then surely someone can show me I'm wrong. But every time they try, I turn out to be right.

- Carl

Sure. As long as it's profitable to you.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I know of someone which by the way you are aware of him too who has a RT and found a jar of coins with it. Most important, he detected this from miles away and entering some keys in the examiner, he could estimate the distance it was at. To make this story short, the coins were lying only 4 feet from where he had estimated.
Does it also sound ideomotor to you ? Or ... maybe he suceeded cause you were not watching?

No - it doesn't sound ideomotor to me ... just idiotic.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hung

I already told about how the RT led me to two treasure sites. This was before I develop my own system.

What makes these treasure sites? Did you recover treasure from them?

I know of someone which by the way you are aware of him too who has a RT and found a jar of coins with it. Most important, he detected this from miles away and entering some keys in the examiner...

Entering keys into the R-T dowsing wand has no effect whatsoever on what the device will point to. Pointing his finger in a supposed direction, and then going there with a metal detector to see what could be found in the general area, would produce the same results.

[Fred]

hi Hung (or double?)

Originally Posted by hung

Most important, he detected this from miles away and entering some keys in the examiner, he could estimate the distance it was at. To make this story short, the coins were lying only 4 feet from where he had estimated.

How did he know the distance he was from the coins with a precision of 4 feets?

[hipopp]

the more this discussion goes on the more evident it is that people do not have a clue what they are talking about. To say that magnets are not used in power generation or that each atom molecule or compound or metal is not resonating at its own frequency is a flight from reality and reason. Even a bridge resonates at its own frequecy that is why soldiers break stride and do not march in unison cos they can add power to the resonance and ultimatelt bring the brodge down. What do you think the Walls of Jericho were all about. As for the rangertell, i am not claiming to be a dowser you folk said that. I opened my discussions here by saying that i can pick up a .6 gram nugget clear as day at 50 meters. I saw faye walking back from a public toilet with it with all her jewellry, when she was out of sight to me.Quite funny it was we were out in the backblocks and i thought i had picked up a rabbit who had swallowed a nuggett. I think the rabbitts are only here. I saw gold in an old prospectors shed. I see all the micro gold in bits of quartz laying on the ground. I have picked up a quartz reef with micro gold in it at about 300 meters. I can pick up ironstone at a mile away. All proper field tests done a 100 ways to LEARN. I have not finished yet. Hung got me testing the interference of magnetism and as a byproduct of that i see that the ranger can be set up to minimise picking up small targets and zeroing in on large target only. I can pick up the gold plated pins in my computer motherboards. What else do you want folks? you are totally in denial me thinks. any chance of reasonable discussion is lost. go do your homework about resonance and magnets in the power industry to generate electricity then we can start off thinking you know at least a little of electrical/magnetic theory. regards.

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Dont repeat this Nonsense over and over.

If you want us to believe you, pick up Carl's 25,000 $
and while you are at it, take James Randi's 1,000,000 $, too.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hipopp

...or that each atom molecule or compound or metal is not resonating at its own frequency is a flight from reality and reason. Even a bridge resonates at its own frequecy

1. What is the resonance frequency of gold? How do you know?

2. What is the resonance frequency of bridges? Careful with this one, it might make you re-think #1.

As for the rangertell, i am not claiming to be a dowser you folk said that.

True, but the RT is just a dowsing rod. If you pick it up & use it, you are dowsing. You can pretend you're not dowsing, but that doesn't change reality.

I opened my discussions here by saying that i can pick up a .6 gram nugget clear as day at 50 meters. ... What else do you want folks?

I don't "want" anything. What do you want? That is, why are you here? If you're 100% happy with your RT, then do you really care what skeptics think? Wouldn't your time be better spent collecting gold nuggets? The Minelab boys are beating you hands down right now.

Maybe you're here because you're looking for something. Validation perhaps? If I flew to Australia right now, and we performed a randomized blind test of you with the RT, you would fail miserably. Of that there is no doubt. Even Hung will tell you that, though he will find a way to blame me instead of you.

Obviously, I'm not going to drop everything and spend $2000 to watch another newbie dowser bite the dust. But I have provided you with information where you can find out for yourself whether you are doing what you think you are doing. Are you interested in knowing instead of just believing?

- Carl

[Steve in MS]

Guys, Carl runs these forums and he has provided this forum for those who like LRL's. I think he is very generous and has even wanted someone to come to him with an LRL that actually works. I think he is one of the nicest forum owners around and to think he would rig the test area so the device would fail just doesn't fit who he is. All of us would like a device that can magically locate precious metals at long distances but so far it doesn't exist or at least hasn't proven to be true. I can imagine all of us who use conventional metal detectors would ditch them real fast for a better product.
I am guessing Carl would welcome seeing first-hand a working LRL, I bet he would come on board and start using one that actually works, not only that but many more of us, like me, would start selling them.
So all we have so far is some that build their own and others that use bought LRLs with no proof that they actually work and I and others are not very likely to be convinced just because some come on a forum and proclaim they work without any proof whatsoever. The opposite is true about cell-phones, radios and yes,
Real metal detectors,
you know the kind that beeps when you
scan over a metal.
so show us some proof or continue to be not taken very seriously.

[J_Player]

It seems silly to be arguing about how the rangertell works or doesn't work. The objective is to use the rangertell to find treasure, and to use the rangertell to find the hidden target in Carl's contest. If the rangertell can find the hidden target 7 times out of 10 tries according to the contest rules, then hipopp wins $25,000. It makes no difference how it located the treasure, only that it succeeds in 7 or more tries out of 10.

The subject of hidden magnets is not an issure because the contest rules provide that both parties and the test proctor can scan the test location for anomalies before the test. If there are magnets or other things interfering with locating the targets, simply move to another location nearby that both parties agree to.

From the test rules page:

Both parties will agree on a test location. Claimant is responsible for any costs associated with the use of a location2. Claimant is encouraged to scan the chosen location for anomalies prior to the start of the test. Proctor may also inspect the test area. Both proctor and claimant may inspect the target to be used. Both proctor and claimant may inspect the concealment devices and/or holes, including scanning with a metal detector. Proctor may visually inspect the locating equipment, but will not open it. Both parties should make every reasonable effort to reach approval of the test conditions.

Involving the rangertell factory in order to cause Carl to travel to the test site that is reserved for manufacturer testing sounds like a form of fraud to me, and I doubt Carl will agree to travel to test a newbie who misrepresented who is being tested.

However, this is easily solved by traveling to where Carl is for the test without trying to scam Carl out of the travel expenses. If your rangertell can really find hidden treasures 7 times out of 10 tries, then you can take home the $25,000 and pay for travel expenses from Australia. This means you will have $21,000 prize money left in your hands after paying about $4000 for round trip travel and lodging. (You could expand this to a nice vacation if you want).

Think about it... $21,000 in hand, and no need to scam anyone. How long does it take to save that amount of money?

Best wishes,
J_P