Ion Trap Mass Spectrometry

Originally Posted by Max

Hi whoeveryouare,
please stop using the shareware robert login and use yours...

lets roll:

"I never said that this was your little perfect treasure detector."

ok, so what's the purpose if not what I have already explained (smog detector) and why publishing this stuff here ?

"
The only thing I am saying is that

IF there was atomic size gold in the air

there is a way to detect it, properly.
"

Are you really sure ? Also if you can, THERE ISN'T ANY IONIC GOLD IN THE AIR, well if you don't first detonate some nuke
So, what's the usefulness of what's described above ?

"It probably is useless to find treasures even in your face.
"
Totally agree and in your face too. Just is useless to find treasures at all.

"UNLESS SOMEONE CAN PROVE THERE IS GOLD OR GOLD IONS IN THE AIR.
in which case it could work."

Call NORAD to give you some "meteo" before going for treasures.

"
As I designed one to detect Nickel Metal

levels being exhausted from an industrial

smoke stake.

so I know I can detect and discriminate
"
Oh yes...ok...AND THEN ? Also my nose can detect too propane in the air...and I know it's propane...but I cannot sniff out any treasures, unfortunately.

"
And I am sorry the PHD thesis

did not exactly mention gold ions

and how to exactly find lost and hidden

treasures. Of course if it did.

YOU would already be out of luck.

Now wouldn't you?

Way behind the Power Curve.
"

Yes. Of course. I'm a brainless. Cause maybe I'll not buy any of this crappy LRL

"
I shouldn't be posting here

anyway.

Much Later.

Bye.

Thanks Robert.
"

I agree...cause you have nothing useful to say but just bugging me cause I'm talking about truth... life is hard.

Your thanks to robert are cause you are hiding using his shareware login ???

Listen to me...drink that beer! You'll feel better.

Best regards,
Max

You put alot of words in other peoples mouths

Max that they never said.

And then slam them on it.

My point in all of this

and of course you did not get it.

Want me to tell you why?

is that at best the Minero could only

be an ion detector. I never said there

were gold ions, I said IF.

And I said nothing about LRLs.

period.

you make alot of mistaken assumtions.

Must be rough.

I alos showed with the PHD paper

that Ions can be detected, but if you

looked at it, you could at least realize

several important facts. Like the ionic

fluence of the air is going to change

alot, and the real detection and seperation

of ions is more involved then these

hyped toys that are for sale, even if

they actually maybe do something

which they probably don't.

Yes I said Bye.

too bad.



Yea Robert !!!!

Long Live King Robert !!!!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by robert

You put alot of words in other peoples mouths

Max that they never said.

And then slam them on it.

My point in all of this

and of course you did not get it.

Want me to tell you why?

is that at best the Minero could only

be an ion detector. I never said there

were gold ions, I said IF.

And I said nothing about LRLs.

period.

you make alot of mistaken assumtions.

Must be rough.

I alos showed with the PHD paper

that Ions can be detected, but if you

looked at it, you could at least realize

several important facts. Like the ionic

fluence of the air is going to change

alot, and the real detection and seperation

of ions is more involved then these

hyped toys that are for sale, even if

they actually maybe do something

which they probably don't.

Yes I said Bye.

too bad.



Yea Robert !!!!

Long Live King Robert !!!!

Now that so many people are using the RObert-nic, it's getting a bit confusing.
But you can always tell when JC1 is posting, because of the short lines and extra line feeds in the text.

[Max]

Originally Posted by robert

You put alot of words in other peoples mouths

Max that they never said.

And then slam them on it.

My point in all of this

and of course you did not get it.

Want me to tell you why?

is that at best the Minero could only

be an ion detector. I never said there

were gold ions, I said IF.

And I said nothing about LRLs.

period.

you make alot of mistaken assumtions.

Must be rough.

I alos showed with the PHD paper

that Ions can be detected, but if you

looked at it, you could at least realize

several important facts. Like the ionic

fluence of the air is going to change

alot, and the real detection and seperation

of ions is more involved then these

hyped toys that are for sale, even if

they actually maybe do something

which they probably don't.

Yes I said Bye.

too bad.



Yea Robert !!!!

Long Live King Robert !!!!

Hi JC (are you JC right ?),
ok ok... you never said that it was an LRL or that there are gold ions in air.
Just my funny task to find if something useful on TH scenario could be made with this thesis... I can't!
I still can't see any good applications of that principles to THunting...maybe this is my fault. Anyway, yes some ions could be identified in air flow... and small particles too (PM2.5 PM10 etc) and that's fine e.g. in an environment control/logging station... I'm not disturbed of that.
All right.


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Now, if we are talking about LRL ...(are we ? is this a thread in LRL subforum, and about ion-LRLing right ???):
Some LRL manifacturers claim that their devices can sniff ions or atoms:
I consider the idea of "sniffing for treasures" like I've described in previous post...nonsence. The beer example again but pointed vs LRL:

(no offence to anyone, just my point of view! )

I think that all these exotic LRLs are useful to find treasures as a 20 liters beer-tank to find way home at night (OPERATOR must first drink it all...).

So for the folks addicted to LRL devices...I suggest to make the test, drink all beer-tank at night then try to find way-home... I think that this little test could give a good idea of usefulness of these pearls of technology.

Best regards,
Max

Yes JC1,

I put that on one.

And it is obvious.

And the Tone.

Anyway, one more time,

point is not to argue the exsist of

gold ions in great abundance,

and I might have a very hard time

finding a paper showing this. Why?

That is correct.

I am saying that the Minero

or gold ion detection, even IF

someone take shovels full of

pre ionized gold ions and throws

them in the air. It still requires

more trouble and effort to build

something like a time of flight

machine to seperate the ions,

and reconize the gold from everything

else. Now I happen to believe there are

Not many gold ions in air and we are not

going to suffer heavy metal poisoning from

breathing. But that is NOT my point.

The ions are not going to deflect any rods

either. That is NOT my point. MY point is

even IF, you still have to go to alot of trouble

and deal with a high change in fluence of ions

femtoamp low noise amplifiers, low noise high

voltage power supplies, proper shielding from

external RF sources, etc, etc, etc,

look at the paper.

I stole Robert's cause

I'm not registered.

I'm not registered because

I am a REBEL.

Old fashioned, old net.

probably going to lose this battle.

Now I really and truely have done

Mass Spec. stuff and designed ALL

the electronics. I have also done many

other things.

Sorry for the Tone.

I'm gruff, and grizzled.

Later.

Oh and someone might say

but you have never used

the Minero so you cannot know.

I've never used a roll of toliet paper

for a spare tire either.

But I can tell you

It won't work.


Out of repect for Carl

and I have alot of respect

for Carl.

I should quit posting.

here.

[Max]

Originally Posted by robert

Oh and someone might say

but you have never used

the Minero so you cannot know.

I've never used a roll of toliet paper

for a spare tire either.

But I can tell you

It won't work.


Out of repect for Carl

and I have alot of respect

for Carl.

I should quit posting.

here.

Hi,
seems we share same vision of how things really rolling-down out there.
Totally agree that mineoro's stuff can't detect any airborn ion !
(Or anything else but some noise.)

Me too have great respect for Carl...and I'm grateful for this forum.
Expecially for the LRL section cause I found it funny...

Kind regards,
Max

[ivconic]

Despite argues and some "hard" word, from time to time....this is great place.
Only to this place i have to thank for a lot of good schematics,hints and tips!
I learned a lot from here in last year..
Thank you very much!
regards!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Despite argues and some "hard" word, from time to time....this is great place.
Only to this place i have to thank for a lot of good schematics,hints and tips!
I learned a lot from here in last year..
Thank you very much!
regards!

I agree. Sometimes people get upset, but this LRL nonsense can be quite amusing at times.

It's just incredible how much confusion you can create with a little pseudoscience and bad thinking.