Dell's complaints

[Leto]

About those "Arks"..
The postcard you got from David Fasold is actualy Durupinar, dicovered by Llhan Durupinar, a captain in the Turkish army while reviewing Aerial photographs taken for NATO's geodetic survey of Turkey in 1974 and not by your friend David Fasold (may he rest in peace) equiped with your "instruments"....

It is Turkey's #1 archaeology site.

Durupinar also is NOT Turkey's #1 archaeology site. Where did you get this idea?

This are untrue informations Dell. Maybe even an apology is in order.

[Leto]

This is not for you Dell.

Geologists answer for Durupinar ark...

The metal traces that were interpreted as iron brackets were actually goethite, a hydrated iron oxide. This mineral was thoroughly mixed with clay, calcite, quartz, and anthophyllite particles, and it showed a large amount of chemical variability across the sample. Neither of these properties would occur in smelted iron.
The purported walls of the ark are limonite concentrations. Their boatlike shape is consistent with an eroded doubly plunging syncline. The stresses of such folding commonly cause fractures that cut across the layers. Water moving through these fractures would have produced the limonite concentrations that were interpreted as dividing walls.
In short, the structure is consistent with the following geological history:

Rocks formed when sediments eroded from nearby volcanic rocks and were compacted.
These layers were folded into a doubly plunging syncline.
A marine sea eroded a channel into the rocks and deposited fossiliferous limestone in it.
The land was uplifted, and erosion removed most of the limestone and exposed the fold.
A landslide carried blocks of rock and mud around the synclinal structure.
This interpretation is consistent with the structure itself and with the surrounding geology (Collins and Fasold 1996).

No fossilized wood or traces of wood, reed, or elemental carbon were found associated with the structure (Collins and Fasold 1996).

Biblical scholars answer for Durupinar and other "Ark sites"..

The Durupinar site is incompatible with the biblical account. Genesis 8:4-6 says the flood waters receded for two and a half months after the ark landed before other mountaintops became visible. The Durupinar site is almost 10,000 feet lower than the summit of nearby Agri Dagh. Agri Dagh would have been visible above water even before the ark landed (Standish and Standish 1999, 236).
The Bible describes a rectangular ark. Wyatt's ark is boat-shaped and about 50 percent wider than the dimensions given in the Bible (Standish and Standish 1999, 106, 230-231).
The "anchor" stones likely had nothing to do with Christianity or the ark. Such stones were known to have been crafted by pagans for their worship before Christianity came to Armenia. The "rope holes" were niches for lamps. When Christianity came to the region, the stones were Christianized by inscribing Christian symbols on them (Merling n.d.).

The rock from which the anchor stones are made is volcanic rock found around Mount Ararat where the anchor stones were found, but not found in Mesopotamia (Iraq) from which Noah is alleged to have departed (Collins and Fasold 1996). If the stones were crafted by Noah, they would have come from the region where Noah came from, not where he landed.

[Dell Winders]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders
Carl, there you go again with assumption. The DDL is not a Gold Locator. That is a fact. Dell

I know that, and you know that... but does Michael know that?

Carl, Michael's business, or mine, is none of your business!

Michael, is an intelligent person capable of speaking for himself. I don't speak for him.

If you have factual evidence that supports your allegation, and inferences about me or the products I build and sell then show it. Your attempt to rally support for your ego and skeptic cult agenda, appears neither scientific, or rational.

What business do you think it is of yours whether my website meets your expectations, or has your approval as long as I am truthful? What is your problem with folks being honest? Dell

[Dell Winders]

Leto, I am in no way in disagreeance with what you say. That, and much more both Pro & Con, has been written by many people about the subject. I was not there to witness the event (or at least I don't remember) so I do not know any of it for fact, and have no opinion.

It is a fact, that it was regarded as Turkey's No.1 archaeological site at the time of the photo. It is a fact, Turkey, did publicly proclaim the formation to be the remains of Noah's Ark, as a result of Fasold's report, followed by numerous scientific and archaeological survey's. It is a fact, that the MFD was used to plot the locations of probable deep buried Iron anomalies that were in a systematic pattern and appeared strategicly located throughout the entire formation. It is a fact, that the position of these anomalies was confirmed by GPR, and the near surface Iron anomalies, which also appear to be placed in a systematic pattern, were confirmed and ground truthed, with Whites metal detectors, which I supplied. The consistency of the spacing of these anomalies should at least raise questions as to the coincidence comparison of a natural formation to a manmade structure.The technical drawings and measurements relating to these Iron anomalies is illustrated in Fasold's book. A quick view is included in the video.

The wider breadth measurements of the formation can be accurately accounted for by the splaying of the ribs. A natural occourence over time of any ship wreck.

Leto, it's logical to assume this formation has existed for at least two thousand years, geologically speaking. Of course, Fasold, Wyatt, and even Capt.Durupinar, were not the original discoverers of the formation. That is a mute point. According to the description of events in the video documentary, in modern times the geological formation manifest itself to human scrutiny in 1946 or 1947, I forget which. Coincidently, the same year Israel became a nation.

I don't wish to spend time on this subject debating facts I could not possibly know. I apologize if you were somehow mis-lead by my earlier reply. Dell

[michael]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

I know that, and you know that... but does Michael know that?

Carl,it was rare for you as a moderator to put such a thread and allege in this way.
Why shouldn't I knew or know that?!!! That's right I am not electrician but I am experienced in detection and doing so much hard tests in field. We are very strict in approving any kind of detector and it never concerns to my electrical knowledge.
preparing useless Notsi LRL made us skeptic of LRLing. but after making that good transmitter our minds changed.
Carl, Where did I write it's gold detector?!
I didn't mention other angles of our tests. e.g. my partners continuously changed the location of gold, iron and silver plates and the transmitted Freq. I never knew each target place or what's freq. set.
As dell is honest from first told me it detects every EM (from near by its own) or far when charged by transmitter.
the accuracy depends on your transmitter be matched with DDL. He mentioned X-Scan is the best choice nevertheless we ordered DDL just to prove ourselves LRLing is subjective or objective , of course proved objective.
Dell frequently had mentioned it is not a gold detector. It's clear in his site and forum. When you take a look there see Goldbeam is being claimed as GD not DDL.
we used DDL with our here-built Tr and got those results. If here some people want not to believe, it's up to them and their problem. which kind of documents satisfies them? of course nothing. of course can't be presented here or if be presented who believes? again a new wave of humiliating, bashing, derogatory &..... starts.
Carl, When you state so, what's expectancy of other who audaciously here liken us to gays??
You should have been moral and ethical pattern.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by michael

Carl, Where did I write it's gold detector?!

Ummm... you mentioned in this post that you used it in a test to locate a gold target. Does it detect gold, or not?

Dell frequently had mentioned it is not a gold detector.

OK, I agree with Dell.

When you take a look there see Goldbeam is being claimed as GD not DDL.

No, I don't see any claim that the Goldbeam is a gold detector. Can you show me where this is claimed? Dell, is the Goldbeam a gold detector?

If here some people want not to believe, it's up to them and their problem.

I agree, beliefs are for those who don't know. I own two of Dell's LRLs, and I've tested a third on loan, so I know.

which kind of documents satisfies them? of course nothing.

Oh no, not at all... I have a $25,000 prize if someone, somewhere, can successfully demonstrate an LRL in a very simple test.

Carl, When you state so, what's expectancy of other who audaciously here liken us to gays??

Eh?

You should have been moral and ethical pattern.

Eh?

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

When you take a look there see Goldbeam is being claimed as GD not DDL.

http://treasureamerica.netfirms.com/...t=106&start=15

[Carl-NC]

Hmmm... interesting... a rather vague statement:

The GOLDBEAM DL ... can also serve as a Frequency broadcast transmitter (Gold) generating a discriminated Signal Line to Gold targets, that can be detected with the dual Rods, and nulled with the weight chek.

followed by a rather definitive alibi:

A limitation is that the GOLDBEAM DL reacts strongly to even miniscule amounts of flour Gold and the operator cannot distinguish the difference in the "Feel" or target lock, of a solid Gold target, or a small, insignificant Gold target.

This sounds to me like you would not be able to distinguish a desirable gold target--like a cache of coins--from the individual gold atoms that probably exist in all soil.

But, to nail this down, standard question...

Can the Goldbeam detect a 10-ounce solid gold bar, placed on the ground, at ANY distance more than, say, 5 feet?

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

[Can the Goldbeam detect a 10-ounce solid gold bar, placed on the ground, at ANY distance more than, say, 5 feet?

No! Of course not.

I thought you created this thread for Dell's complaints? Not stupid questions from Carl?

[michael]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Ummm... you mentioned in this post that you used it in a test to locate a gold target. Does it detect gold, or not?

Have you perceived from the post that DDL only detects gold???!!!
Its meaning is obvious.
I mentioned and still repeat it ;
"We composed DDL with our transmitter and could detect every metal (gold ,silver & iron) in specific frequency was set for each; Gold 5.5 Khz, Silver 8.7 Khz , Iron 17.8 Khz"
I detected every place according to Freq. set whereas occasionally I went far from the test place, my partners changed the target places and freq and I came back and start detecting. I never knew what freq is or where is each target. Only by DDL could find the exact place.( of course should be mentioned targets were inserting at 15 feet depth.
By DDL can detect every field and metal or even a location of a well or tunnel in ground. It never classifies or detects specifically. When you hold it in your hand and close your eyes, other makes approach a metal, strongly swivels.
When hold in your hand and walking along and very near the house walls in some points or locations suddenly and strongly rotates and you survey there see oh , here is one of the house metal jamb or electricity cable.
Carl, have you done these tests by DDL? Of course some of your efforts in this field to disclose some fraudulent are appreciable (e.g. Electroscopes, Lectrasearch which are a real trash and I have experienced it) but can’t agree with you about Omnitrone (at least DDL) to be garbage, here you treat prejudicially.
an interesting thing for me was 1 week ago, a friend called me
and asked about omnitrone.... let it be, some bodies here slander me to making a fiction.
Meanwhile Carl, “Eh?” is not a logical answer.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

No! Of course not.

No, of course not... silly question.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by michael

Have you perceived from the post that DDL only detects gold???!!!

Michael, I only said that if the DDL is putting gold in your hand, then use it! I really don't know what point you're trying to make here.

Dell said the DDL is NOT a gold locator. I happen to agree with him, it will not locate gold. I've offered Dell $25,000 if he could demonstrate that any of his LRLs can locate gold... he has consistently refused my offer.

Do you disagree with Dell? Do you think the DDL will locate gold?

Meanwhile Carl, “Eh?” is not a logical answer.

Your statements made no sense...

- Carl

[michael]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Michael, ... Do you think the DDL will locate gold?... Carl

Of course not by its own, but when use with transmitter adjusted in frequency, yes, can. DDL itself can locate every existent field;
metal, cavity, electrical,... when you directly pass over or near them.
Is it obscure?

[Leto]

Hello Dell.

It is a fact, that it was regarded as Turkey's No.1 archaeological site at the time of the photo.

Maybe for non-Adventist evangelicals among whom Fasold's book has primarily circulated.

It is a fact, Turkey, did publicly proclaim the formation to be the remains of Noah's Ark, as a result of Fasold's report, followed by numerous scientific and archaeological survey's.

Turkey did proclaim this? Who is Turkey? Maybe some Tukish tourist agency. Yes there were scientific surveys some as a result of Fasold's report those primarily from ark-ologists as they call themselves.

Will not debate around ribs, strange positions of anomalies, and drawings of ark from Fasold's book.

Leto, it's logical to assume this formation has existed for at least two thousand years, geologically speaking.

You can assume that, geologicaly speaking 2000 years is NOW.


My view is that Darupinar ark is something like face on Mars, hollow Earth, Elvis alive,...

Sorry Dell I will bother you no more with this off-topic but I understand now how your products work. These are not made for us

Scientific pretenders

but for persons searching arks made some generations after expell from paradise.

Dissected LRL and other (DDL?) instruments on Carls page looks really like crap Try to use more components it will give people better impression (and harder work for Carl when dissecting it) or maybe you should fill whole electronics box with epoxi - you can state somewhere that light corrupts detection or somethin like that.. These are just some suggestions.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Leto

Dissected LRL and other (DDL?) instruments on Carls page looks really like crap Try to use more components it will give people better impression (and harder work for Carl when dissecting it) or maybe you should fill whole electronics box with epoxi - you can state somewhere that light corrupts detection or somethin like that.. These are just some suggestions.

If the LRL manufacturers start using more electronics, it will be more difficult for them to disguise their pseudoscientific mode of operation. When a device only consists of a couple of bent rods and a bit of flim-flam, then all sorts of claims can be made which are difficult to prove/disprove without double-blind testing. This is something that (conveniently) appears to easily upset the paranormal nature of this phenomena.
I do like your thought process though.

[Dell Winders]

O.K. Leto, back to the subject of this thread."Dell's Complaints",
Disrespectful, intellectual pretenders, and uncontrolled ideomotor response mouths.

Leto, you don't have to prove anything to me. I said I wasn't there when the Ark landed. I don't know the facts about the event. If you claim you do know, then there is nothing to debate (argue) about. Dell

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by michael

Of course not by its own, but when use with transmitter adjusted in frequency, yes, can.

OK, so let's see if I understand... if you use the DDL with a signal generator that is set to a proper frequency, it will detect gold, is that right?

Do you think it can detect a 10-ounce gold bar, laying on the ground right in front of you?

[michael]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

OK, so let's see if I understand... if you use the DDL with a signal generator that is set to a proper frequency, it will detect gold, is that right? Do you think it can detect a 10-ounce gold bar, laying on the ground right in front of you?

Yes, that's it. the 10 ounce will be more easy as we made test with 1- ounce gold plate (alloy; 750) at 15 feet depth in natural walls formed in ground. I easily could detect it from 40-60 feet distance. but with 2 L rods never got result.
If you can't believe it what can I do? you believe or not, what’s the benefit for me? make money? no, If you even want to settle 1000000 $ for me I can't receive it. Here situation is thoroughly different of your countries.
When I write these e.g. about DDL is just for the fact is so.

[Carl-NC]

Dell, have you used the DDL with a signal generator? (Maybe this is what the "X-Scan" is? I don't know.)

Would you agree... will the DDL, in combination with a signal generator, detect a 10-ounce gold bar laying on the ground, right in front of you?

[Dell Winders]

I don't know. I've never located a 10 ounce Gold bar with it. Dell

[Carl-NC]

Errr... let's try again...

Dell, have you used the DDL with a signal generator?

Would the DDL, in combination with a signal generator, have the ability to detect gold?

If so, would it likely detect a 10-ounce gold bar laying on the ground, right in front of you?

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

I thought this thread was placed here for the express purpose for "Dell's Complaints" not "Carl's already answered questions?" O.K. Now I'm complaining about Carl's repeated questioning. Dell

[Carl-NC]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the very first time we've ever discussed the DDL. So these questions have never been asked, by me.

Can you please answer them?

[Dell Winders]

Wake up Carl, Michael, just went out of his way to answer your questions. I provided you a link. Not even a thank you, or a retraction & apology for your derrogatory comment about, Dell, makes garbage products.

Are you going to honor my complaint about your harassing, or sit there and be a hypocrite? Dell

[Carl-NC]

I'm not asking Michael, I'm asking you. You are the manufacturer... will your DDL, combined with a signal generator, detect gold?

Why would you avoid answering such a simple question?