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08-30-2011, 08:28 PM
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> Of course, I am Balkanise too, with only point: you risk to much. In mountain there are not re-examinations I don't fear the re-examination, but digging in hard granite stone at 2500m could be a very hard job.  But if Morgans LRL works we'll get some gold anyway. @ mikebg > Funfinder, the names Borovnica and Borovets are similar. Instead to visit the dangerous Borovnica in Slovenia (where WM6 lives), you can visit also dangerous Borovets in Bulgaria Hi Mikebg: Yeah, I guess WM6 makes Borovnica dangerous... But now we have directly the proof of what I spoked about unbelievable attraction of things that are or should be somehow connected to each other: mikebg - I've been already to Borovets! But the wrong one.  I went there by Taxi from Blagoevgrad but there was no lift up to the mountains like I tought... So I drove a bit further to the Rila monastrie and tried to go by foot but with wild bears and alomost unfindable ways 2 days later I decided to took the lift from Sapareva Banya. Of course I know Super Borovets, too, with Clubhotel Iceberg there - I'm very often watching and satstream-recording Planeta @ Hellas Sat and Fan TV and Balkanika. Learned cyrillic letters to understand the names. Since 5 years I know near any bulgarian Music and I like especially Rajna, Rumina, Antonina, Gergana, Desislava, Janitza, Teodora and and and - simply too much cute girls in BG! And I know they like treasure hunters...Almost I would have visited Notsi Metal Detectors (have their own website and built some LRL, too) in Varna on my way to the airport. Blisstool, Mikron and Deeptech would have been a bit to far away. btw. I heard near Rila (at those valley from Blagoevgrad to very small village Borovets) there are earth pyramids and other very old artefacts. @ Morgan I guess private fields would be our smallest problems to find Nazi treasure. Are you shure your LRL really works? And besides fields are full of other stuff and the Nazi treasures are usually not near fields, those are located in mountain regions around 1400meters above zero. And if your LRL now really works you should try to rebuilt it so you can earn many Euros with some private sales. Perhaps I would pay some good money and I'm shure you could use this. but first we need the minimal basics: Everyone here knows the circuit of a lighting lamp. Battery, wire, lamp, switch, evtl. some variable resistor and we have a all times working an recreatable lamp-circuit. So now please someone here draw me such minimalistic LRL circuit. If no one can do it that's already some kind of proof that real working LRLs don't exist! And how it should work without highgain directional parabolic or Yagi-antenna??? There are far too much stray influences and EM-distractions. @WM6 Good to know this metal coherer has nothing to do wit it. Because in the german book it is translated as "metal detector". However I heard rumors that MDs radiation will destroy or weaken LRL-signals. @ dojranski Thanx for the inspiring picture! Let's hope the LRL can't find gold that's deeper than 10 meters. 
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08-30-2011, 08:45 PM
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I meet Bear mom with here little kid, during treasure hunting on nearby hill 3 weeks ago. It was happen from safe LRL distance of 30m, so no hug, no kiss or something like this. Now I carry camera with me, hoping that Bear Mom will pose to me at the next meeting.
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09-01-2011, 05:20 PM
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WM6, you make Borovnica dangerous for wannabe LRL-users!
And next coincidence - 2 months ago I saw TV report about bears in Slowenia. And believe it or not - around 5 years ago we had problem bear Bruno that visited Bavaria. It's now stuffed in a museum. And: this bear was here! Where I'm living and I was out that days at night making pictures. Mother bears that are protecting their childs can become angry if provocated but usually the slowenian bears are harmless to people but like fresh living animals. Farmers there get money from the gouvernment if they got losses and some bears got shot to keep the population at same level and the hunters sell very good bear meat for deer-gourmets. btw. there are many wild bears in Rumania, too, and in Alasca treasure-hunters use shotguns to protect themself against Grizzleys and other hungry bears. Well, WM6, my respect to your relativly near bear confrontation. Please be careful that you will not end as yummy part of the food-chain!  Anyway: I still miss a first very simple ground schematic of LRL and because of the lack of verified field tests I hardly doubt these optimistic outviews of Morgan will lead us to totally satisfied success. I'm shure he doesn't betray himself and it is not only wish-thinking and refinding well known some short time ago buried treasures. The handheld-coil with its connected circuits detects some directional magnetical field impulses (because this is a magnetical loop antenna and nothing else) but just if weather is special and the actual newest again and again modification has a very good day, too. Realistically seen all that insecurities will lead us to such issues like have happended to hung at his coconut-treasure site. btw. if Morgans LRL really works we would have no doubt that also OKMs Bionic 01 and Bionic Alpha for shure work (like claimed). It would be shurely fascinating enough for me to solve this secret just by drivin a few hundred miles to the eastern region of Germany where their manufactury is located and test this stuff once and for all with such cunning methods they have no chance to fool me. And as a second precaution-measurement I could let sign them a contract to give me all my money back if this device doesn't works reliable. The easiest way would be writing an email an ask them if their stuff really has been scientifically proofed by VDI (Community of German Engineers) and reliable treasure hunters. I can use methods against them where they have no chance at all to sell a notworking Bionic to me. This should clarify alot. The most suspicous about LRL is their only capability of gold to detect. Who the heck cares about gold? I want platinum, silver, lead, titanium and everything else and not wanted to be limited to gold only. This seems the most directly visible trick that discovers that they wanna hide their real uncapability of any metal-detection! Oh, the miraculous gold-frequency and 24k plated gold-ions-collector. Don't forget one thing: Germany is not Brazil! In Germany there exist very critical and thorough working persons and there is a very high standard concerning reliability of electronical or technical products. Sometime up to 3 years of warranty. OKM will go to jail or pay many many thousands of Euros if someone finds out that they are betraying their customers. And it is so easy to find out, believe me! On the other hand we really have to thank Morgan, Geo, hung, Mineoro and OKM to let us hope - at least as long as we have no real proofen final test results.
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09-01-2011, 11:35 PM
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Some years ago,i visit the OKM factory,when their instalations(in barraks) was near the five minute street(feunf minuten strass). The field test with some OKM devices was catastrofic,cant find 1kg of silver coins buried near the factory,even with georadar bodenradar... Not lose time with toys. You know the OKM produces one nice UFO to detect treasures at distance???
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09-01-2011, 11:38 PM
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Hi Morgan,
very cool that you visited already OKM. And seems your tests already have shown that their Bionic stuff is for the bio-trash-bin. We know one video of a italian metal-detector shop where the Bionic detects a non buried object from a distance but I doubt that this "show" has any usage for real treasure hunting. Morgan, I have an important question for you: Please answer it as good as you can because this is very crucial concerning if LRL really works or is just a huge illusion: Let's assume the LRL can find gold. Very good, but first we need an exact answer to: What kind of gold!?!?! I ask this because I find it very suspicious the LRL can't find any other metals. Can the LRL find coins where the gold alloy just contains 1/3 or 50% of Gold? If yes, are you shure? If you tune the LRL a little bit back or further - what kind of metal comes directly after the gold-area? Is the LRL more sensitive to red-gold or white-gold? If the LRL really can detect gold principally it must be possible that it can detect also other kinds of metals. Gold cannot make any magic tricks to the LRL compared with other metals. If the LRL can't be tuned to detect other metals this is a proof it does not work at all! If we can adjust the LRL to find other metal we know where to search for the solution how it works at all. But I guess we'll know nothing and we won't find any clues why our "sorry, gold only LRL" refuses the detection of other metals....
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09-06-2011, 11:13 PM
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I come to conclusion : each metal is emiting one specific electromagnetic field when underground,located by LRL with electromagnetic resonance. Alterations in this resonance make the LRL more or less sensitive to specific metals,gold ,silver,copper... With resonance for gold,you can find all the gold alloys and silver also. With resonance for copper,you will find all copper alloys,including bzonze,brass. With resonation for iron,you will find all iron alloys,and steel. Each metal vibrates in is own frequency. This is all theory...
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09-06-2011, 11:18 PM
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7 master colours 7 master metals 7 musical notes(do,re,mi,fa,sol,la,si) I think in the end of the Rainbow(7colors) is suposed to be found the pot with GOLD
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09-06-2011, 11:34 PM
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As I was going to St Ives,
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09-07-2011, 10:19 AM
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OKM has found a way to prevent electronic experts from exposing them as a fraud. Thier locators have a long history of failure with most customers who buy them. But the customers cannot complain that they do not locate gold, because they contain a gradiometer which will show the location of a large mass of gold if it is buried in soil which is mineralized. Any electronics tech will recognize the cheap fluxgate magnetometer(s) inside the enclosure, and can testify in a court of law that it can locate gold and other substances if the conditions are right. But the fact is the OKM locators fail miserably when they are used by people who are not associated with the OKM manufacturers. See what Morgan reported about this: This girl told me better invest the money in a second hand Mercedes... Seems the BIONIC 01 is a bad investment - [Morgan]The percentages of fail for actual users of OKM detectors is very high. Yet we don't see these users receiving any money refunded from their OKM purchases when they complain. Why? Because of the fluxgate magnetometers OKM puts inside their locators. The OKM argument is they have secret circuitry which allows these magnetometers in conjunction with other internal devices to locate gold. If it doesn't work, they can blame it on the soil, magnetic field, or whatever... when the fact is it will only work if conditions are right for the magnetometer to detect a void in the soil. If you don't believe that, then you must buy one and watch it find gold for you. Best wishes, J_P
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Yeah, I know what you think, the "met" means that what "I"
met just was standing at the wayside and did not went with "me" to St. Yves. And the rest of the question just has to mislead the reader. However this riddle makes absolutly no sense at all if it's not a mathematically task. If a salesman would write such stupid jokes this would bring him to jail because this is fraud and he would be guilty as a deceiver! You cannot suggest to anybody something is inclusive like the St. Yves riddle does and finally it is not. edit: And the same applies to / is valid for LRL sellers - if they try to be*ss me with manipulating stuff I will find it out!
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09-07-2011, 05:20 PM
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Are you really shure this is just pure theory? At least all your many tests, tries and modifications are clearly reality. But let's go now a step ahead: May it be resonance or not - it's obvious that the / your LRL must have a spot, variable resistor, changable capacitor or tunable coil to make the device especially very sensitive to the "gold region" (like a notch-filter or discriminator, even if those leave the sensitivity for different kind of metals on the same level but cut off the signals). First question: have you discovered already how much percentage in sensitivity the gold region is better as the detection level for rusty iron? Gold 100% and rusty Iron 1% or is it really worse - maximum Gold sensitivity but still 50% for rusty iron? Second question: Do you think that the axis of the search coil really is precise enough for long range pinpointing? I fully doubt this, especially if that coil is just very small and the used frequency range has many meters of wavelenght! Not to mention that any metal that you carry nearby and even electronically parts the LRL needs like the heavy metallic battery has much stronger influence as a little small coin many meters away and under ground. And I guess this is the reason why the LRL must have been tuned extremly exactly to the "gold only resonance" or whatever it is because otherwise the metal parts of the detector and the stuff you are carrying like shovel, watch, moneybag, knife, mobile phone, flashlights and alot other things would extremly distort the signal or give wrong positives. But if it is possible to adjust such device that exact to gold it has to be possible to adjust it to much easier findable metals, too. Or even better - to the whole spectrum of every metal that exists! The "Gold only feature" is just a cunning disguise! With this mean tactic potential customers shall get no chance for testing this stuff really because gold is so rare! And if these have hidden gold somewhere the sellers came up with excuses like: not long enough buried or soil mineralisation. Morgan, before you "go for gold" the first I really would like to "add to your heart" (an's Herz legen) is the following: Tune your LRL to iron, go into some region without disturbance and find iron objects from a real good distance. And this has nothing to do with magnetometer, because you should find this simple and all over available iron stuff from distances no magnetometer can find it anymore. Can you do this? Or is your LRL a "non adjustable Gold only" thingy that does what it likes without any control and if it has a "bad hair day" it even can't find a gold coin from 10cm distance? Believe me, this is the only way to get a real working and satisfying LRL. Don't play with a gold detector that doesn't work most of the time if you can work with an all the time working LRL iron detector and find out what are the crucial points to make this device really reliable!  I wish you very good luck. You know now what you can do and if you don't like it or refuse it don't blame us if we can't accept those on and on and on going not really convincing test-results and claims about real detection results! Finally I'll tell you a very basic example that makes it clear: If I want to fly over the ocean first I need a plane that is able to carry me over land. Reliable! The same with LRL! First find iron stuff from 20 meters distance or large objects from even more and next find little gold stuff from 100meters! And not the vice versa way! I really hope you are able to tune your LRL to iron and then you are able to make serious tests, I hope it for the sake of all of us! Morgan, you're our only hope! I guess hung or esteban won't or can't do this - so please don't disappoint us!!
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 even if 1 would be correct it is grammatically not the correct answer!Because the question was: How many were going to St Ives? "1" = not many so it is logically wrong. The correct answer would be "not many". How many were going to St Ives? "Not many" were going to St Ives! And not: 1 many were (or: One is) going to St. Ives. Comparable with this question: How much money does someone has? Someone has not much money (or no money at all) but alot of debts. Of course in reality most people don't care about correct sentences because everyone knows what's the meaning behind: Q. How many cars do you have? A. One (two etc.) (correct answer: not many) Correct question: Please tell me the number of cars you have. Sorry, Qiaozhi, but under such deceiving circumstances.... However - you may have more such riddles for me, they're real funny!
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Just admit that you were caught out by the riddle.This verse is a very old English poem, and the generally accepted answer is 1. There is no grammatical error in the question or the answer. The word "many" does not imply a plurality of items, only the actual number ... which could be any number from zero to infinity. Or you might prefer this version from Mad Magazine: As I was going to St Ives I met a man with seven wives Of course, the seven wives weren't his But here in France, that's how it is Now back to the original topic of Montauk illusions. 
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09-07-2011, 09:16 PM
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The same i can make with noble metals. I need special indestructivel epoxy resine to seal my PDK,before go to TH adventures around the world. Want to start in Bavaria,NAZI treasures,but i want to make a deal with your government,everything legal,hope they give me 10% ??? And hope the jews not claim all the gold(you know the history of the NAZI gold)...
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09-07-2011, 10:52 PM
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>This verse is a very old English poem, and the generally accepted answer is 1
1 is so boring and if it's so old perhaps the true meaning is something completly else. Like: A man with many wifes will get sacks full of cats (=problems). And if you wanna avoid these wives better don't go to church (don't be holy, but be a Casanova)! And french man of course always have much: "ouh l'amour".... > Now back to the original topic of Montauk illusions. OK, but I think it was not so off because it was pretty similar to other: "LRL not as it look like claims".
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Does this mean a true skeptic will look at the details to see what is the real answer instead of what seems to be the answer if you don't look too close?  Best wishes, J_P
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We know already that Geo found some dangerous large metal object last year from a distance and now if you can ensure this with some reliable tests and videos we would have as good as a proof it really works! Of course we need to know what conditions are needed: An extremly stable coil, all search directions possible or only from north to south etc., old iron or also new iron, weather, special electrostatic circumstances, no electro-smog and so on. Quote:
btw. you have already a big treasure if your long range iron objects detector really works. Try to figure out how you can make it easy rebuiltable, find a company, get some patents and make the treasure hunter community happy with such for shure very useful device! Special ironobjects sometimes are extremly seldom and they can show the path to hidden or long ago sunken or buried cities that contain alot other precious stuff. Find expensive meteorites, too. But it has to work really reliable, not like Mineoro or OKM Bionic! It even could be built with exchangeble different coils for large or small items. And you have to find the Nazi-Gold at all and this is not that simple even if your LRL really would be able to detect gold deposits from 1km distance. It was transported high up to the mountains and buried minimum 1m depth at the end of WW2 to hide it from the US soldiers. Secured by explosive-traps, reopened and brought to even more secret places. You have a dangerous and not easy task to search this stuff, whatever your munich friends may have told you, but I'm really experienced for mountain-treasure hunting so you could have really success. For the moment it seems you will need at least the whole winter-time to get your LRL working reliable and without any distortions. I repeat: You are our only hope!!! Good luck!
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The motto is: "Read what's being said very carefully, and don't make assumptions. Only look at the facts."
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09-07-2011, 11:51 PM
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Good question! Finding the truth in this case (LRL) has to do with ripping everything apart (like Carl did with such devices), controlling everything, finding out what information has weight, is true, makes sense. Comparable with repairing something where first have to be found the culprit. What is trustworthy and what is bullsh*t (and we had too much already of this here in the remote sensing forum)? What could work and what for shure never will work? Does a person acts suspicous or trustful? What kind of motives could drive the involved persons? We have a genuine X-Files case here that looks nice from the outside (electronical parts, tests that seem to show working devices etc.) but in reality as long as we have no real reapeatable proven tests this is just some chase after aliens or "Montauk Illusions". And I really hope with the help of Morgan we finally will end this! He really acts trustworthy to us, he even bought the Mineoro and gave us information how unreliable (if at all) it works and he won't walk into the same footsteps like some "everything fine with LRL"-claimers. It is not fine, not at all. However there is a way to devide lies from the truth, even for LRL, and we're already on the right track to achieve this goal! Or are you already that extremly sceptically to negate this possibility completly?
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[QUOTE=Funfinder;133884]WOW, this sounds absolutly fantastic. So does it really work reliable with iron, even big iron, no problem? If yes you have the proof the LRL works, because shurely we can find out the detection depth and distance of magnetometer. However usual magnetometers have extremly small coils and perhaps your PDK (for what this stands for?) simply works like a much better magnetometer?
We know already that Geo found some dangerous large metal object last year from a distance and now if you can ensure this with some reliable tests and videos we would have as good as a proof it really works! Of course we need to know what conditions are needed: An extremly stable coil, all search directions possible or only from north to south etc., old iron or also new iron, weather, special electrostatic circumstances, no electro-smog and so on. Thanks,but now i´m interested in searching for treasures,of course not in historical or archeological places,Bavaria as tolerance for TH´s,i know. If i sell one of this UPGRADE_PDK the person who buy it will make all atempts to desmantle for clonage,i´m sure about this. So,now its time to use the PDK,to understand the Phenomenon,to see the maximum distance for big objects.
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There is also a middle ground of illusions which is neither truth or lies. A person who has no illusions will be an observer rather than a person who passes judgment before seeing all the evidence. Best wishes, J_P
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