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[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

The question to be answered, was the claimed Dowsing rod (?) being used in a meta-physics application, or a physics application?

There's no question to be answered here. Dowsing rods "operate" by the ideomotor effect, which is a psychological phenomenon. The only physics involved is related to gravity. Meta-physics explanations are simply nonsense.

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Quack! Quack!

The duck has spoken...

[Mike(Mont)]

I said you guys would probably refuse to see. Why should I waste my time trying to explain something you refuse to see? I don't even mean "see" in the visual sense. You can't see consciousness. Go do your own research and practice.

Whether you call the RLR a dowsing rod or locator rod makes no difference to me. I've used it by itself but I most always use it with some type of amplifier or frequency generator because it gives me a much stronger signal.

[Qiaozhi]

And to top it all ... yes , even Hung's nonsense posts ... I've just seen this ->
http://www.orange.co.uk/news/quirkie...toryId=3256361

Does human stupidity have no bounds?

At least one of the Tory Welsh Assembly members has his head screwed on properly.

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I said you guys would probably refuse to see. Why should I waste my time trying to explain something you refuse to see? I don't even mean "see" in the visual sense. You can't see consciousness. Go do your own research and practice.

Whether you call the RLR a dowsing rod or locator rod makes no difference to me. I've used it by itself but I most always use it with some type of amplifier or frequency generator because it gives me a much stronger signal.

Refuse to see what? All we have is your word, it appears since it cannot be proven "visually", something else is involved.
Is LRL a religion or what?
Maybe it's the power of positive thinking.
If belief is all that is necessary, one doesn't need to be hindered by any "physical" apparatus.
Research and practice? Any research ends in no proof and no
real answers from the true believers.

[Dell Winders]

The duck has spoken...

That sure is is one stupid duck. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

That sure is is one stupid duck. Dell

You said it...

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Yes - it's funny how they attempt to use scientific-sounding terms to justify their medieval practices, then accuse the real engineers and scientists of being scientific-pretenders.

Ummm..
Who is accusing real engineers and scientists of being scientific-pretenders?
Is it a real scientist, or a real electronic technician, -- or at least a real person who was able to make it past 6th grade?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

I haven't seen any Real scientist posting on this forum. Have you?

Of course, if you are claiming that the Electronic engineers and techs here are scientist, and that Carl, is a real Scientist, then you will have to admit that Remote sensing, Frequency Discrimination, promoted by an uneducated Hillbilly is Scientific, because the majority of MFD units manufactured & sold around the world are built by Electronic engineers, and techs. Right? Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Of course, if you are claiming that the Electronic engineers and techs here are scientist, and that Carl, is a real Scientist, then you will have to admit that Remote sensing, Frequency Discrimination, promoted by an uneducated Hillbilly is Scientific, because the majority of MFD units manufactured & sold around the world are built by Electronic engineers, and techs. Right? Dell

That's only because uneducated Hillbillies are incapable of making these units themselves. The engineers, in this case, are simply doing some reverse wallet mining.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Of course, if you are claiming that the Electronic engineers and techs here are scientist, and that Carl, is a real Scientist, then you will have to admit that Remote sensing, Frequency Discrimination, promoted by an uneducated Hillbilly is Scientific, because the majority of MFD units manufactured & sold around the world are built by Electronic engineers, and techs. Right? Dell

I haven't claimed anything nor do I have to admit anything.
I asked a question about the credentials of the person who is accusing real engineers and scientists of being scientific-pretenders.
"Is it a real scientist, or a real electronic technician, -- or at least a real person who was able to make it past 6th grade?"

I presume my question can be answered with a "yes" or "no", can't it?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

When you put down people as "intellectually inferior" to you, it's a sign you are the one with the inferiority complex. I'll bet Dell has a higher IQ than most people on this forum.

As Albert Einstein said: "Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of the empirical world: all knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends with it. Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are completely empty as regards reality." In other words some people do, others only criticize what they can't seem to grasp.

This ought to be a sobering wake-up call to pull your head out of your behind. I know this will never happen because of ego problems.

[Mike(Mont)]

A bunch of turkeys brainwashed by the education system. Can't do nothing but complain about what other people have accomplished. Reminds me a little child who tasted some sour grapes and even as an adult still refuses to even try any. That's a mental block that needs to be cleared.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

This ought to be a sobering wake-up call to pull your head out of your behind. I know this will never happen because of ego problems.

As an up and coming wallet-mining LRL salesman, is this really the personality and image you want to project to your targeted market audience?

Your methods of handling yourself when faced with logical truths and facts is not exactly what I would call exemplary. Much like how Dell counters truth and facts. Can't you see what that approach has gotten him?

It's really obvious that what you criticize others of, is really a perfect reflection of your own problems and insecurity issues that you are struggling with on a daily basis.

Maybe it's time to break out of the old habits of "learned responses" and try something new.

A bunch of turkeys brainwashed by the education system. Can't do nothing but complain about what other people have accomplished.

Did you mean to construct that sentence with a double negative? I suppose maybe you are trying to write on a level with Dell and your targeted market environment - but I would question your motives.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

And to top it all ... yes , even Hung's nonsense posts ... I've just seen this ->
http://www.orange.co.uk/news/quirkie...toryId=3256361
Does human stupidity have no bounds?
At least one of the Tory Welsh Assembly members has his head screwed on properly.

Actually i think it is important to give them credits so they cannot say they are being ignored or "witch hunted".

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

I haven't seen any Real scientist posting on this forum. Have you?

At least what they post can be verified and proven by anyone.

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

As Albert Einstein said: "Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of the empirical world: all knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends with it. Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are completely empty as regards reality." In other words some people do, others only criticize what they can't seem to grasp.

But Einstein took years to prove his theories.He didn´t just claim that first thing he imagined was true.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

A bunch of turkeys brainwashed by the education system. Can't do nothing but complain about what other people have accomplished. Reminds me a little child who tasted some sour grapes and even as an adult still refuses to even try any. That's a mental block that needs to be cleared.

Should be easy to prove them wrong

[Esteban]

We can repeat our show as the start of the 80 in USA.

[Esteban]

This is more old show, end of the 70s... from remote corner of the world.

[Fred]

Esteban,
What is needed is scientifical proofs of the effects involved .

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

A bunch of turkeys brainwashed by the education system. Can't do nothing but complain about what other people have accomplished. Reminds me a little child who tasted some sour grapes and even as an adult still refuses to even try any. That's a mental block that needs to be cleared.

Rather this is a bunch of more nonsense. What does this have to do with LRL? If you are going to sell LRLs, wouldn't be in your interest to put on a demonstration of how useful they are, that is have double blind tests set-up to prove once and for all whether they work or not?
Most instruments for sell can be tested to prove their intended use, right?

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

Rather this is a bunch of more nonsense. What does this have to do with LRL? If you are going to sell LRLs, wouldn't be in your interest to put on a demonstration of how useful they are, that is have double blind tests set-up to prove once and for all whether they work or not?
Most instruments for sell can be tested to prove their intended use, right?

Categorically, LRL wallet-miners try to stay as far away from double blind and monitored tests as they can.

I suppose it is a little hard to design valid test protocols that involve ectoplasm, Healey consciousness, auras and other things that go bump in the night; but if those who claim they've seen these things, can repeatedly make them appear, then I suppose a protocol could be devised.

Alternatively, if most of the parameters surrounding dowsing are not repeatable, or can only be viewed by certain "believers", then it would seem the entire concept is greatly flawed and no doubt untestable in its present state.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Esteban,
What is needed is scientifical proofs of the effects involved .

How do you can found scientifical proof if scientific doesn't construct it...? exceprt nazi scientifics, maybe...

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

How do you can found scientifical proof if scientific doesn't construct it...? exceprt nazi scientifics, maybe...

Everything has an explanation, you just have to find it.
Pictures won´t help,as i said before you must study it enought to find the explanation.If you succeed you and your descendants will be rich .
Regards,
Fred

[Steve in MS]

Esteban, is that you on the right in both pics?
70's? You are getting old like me.
Regards.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

Esteban, is that you on the right in both pics?
70's? You are getting old like me.
Regards.

No, is my cousin: Miguel Montania Grinok. He introduce me in 1979 telling that exist a device with wich you can found metal at certain distance. I'm in my avatar.

The 1981 pic is in... Texas!!! So, also this is a "Texas LRL show".

In Texas remain 1,000 witnesses, "electrized" by the findings.

Many pics in Texas in 2 trips, 1981 and 1985. I have posted many here.

Some pics was posted here, like the above in zip. Others with sequence of findings in rapidshare (today deleted).

Regards

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Everything has an explanation, you just have to find it.
Pictures won´t help,as i said before you must study it enought to find the explanation.If you succeed you and your descendants will be rich .
Regards,
Fred

I learn the important from Alonso. He is the "heroe". I'm just a pupil.