Mineoro Tyon

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hung

Let me clear up some few things here:

1 - The LRL system my team and I developed has nothing to do with RT Examiner except that it features one aspect of T-R detection.

The RT Examiner does not feature any sort of T-R detection. If you are claiming even a subtle similarity to the RT Examiner, your device is doomed to failure. The current RT Examiner, as well as the most early versions, are all junk; in as much as there is nothing technical or electronic going on between the rod, the operator or the sought after target. All RT Examiners are strictly swivel-handle dowsing rods, and their only reaction is to gravity once they are tilted out of balance by the operator's hand.

[putrechigi]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

The only reason you have no interest in either Carl's or Randi's challenge is because you have no chance of success. Your LRL simply does not function when subjected to double-blind testing. Anyone with even a modicum of scientific knowledge would then conclude that it's a trick of the mind. Hopefully one day you will remove the blinkers and return to doing something more productive.


Actually, you learned nothing. You may have studied the RT Examiner, but your blinkered approach has blinded you to the obvious. The RT is a piece of junk, except for the calculator, which could be removed and put to a more practical use.


There is no scientific explanation on the RT's site that makes any sense. I think you meant to say "pseudo-scientific" explanation.


In fact, we understand only too well what is happening in the RT's case. You don't even have to be "technical" to see that it's a scam.

hi Qiaozhi afther to find this document http://www.thunting.com/geotech/foru...ad.php?t=13849 i think the lrl work but why the mineoro don,t work in europe? why not work in nord emisphere? is possible that alonso not solve this problem? because in europe he have many possible buyers , is possible tyon solve thi probleme and work in europe too?

best reguards putre

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by putrechigi

hi Qiaozhi afther to find this document http://www.thunting.com/geotech/foru...ad.php?t=13849 i think the lrl work but why the mineoro don,t work in europe? why not work in nord emisphere? is possible that alonso not solve this problem? because in europe he have many possible buyers , is possible tyon solve thi probleme and work in europe too?

best reguards putre

Hi putrechigi,

Don't waste your time or money on these devices. None of them work. It is pure fantasy.

[putrechigi]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Hi putrechigi,

Don't waste your time or money on these devices. None of them work. It is pure fantasy.

I respect your thoughts, but do not agree, many person pass long long time for try this and i don't know why they should invent all this
no profit , no more, is for this that i belive in they, when i came in italy i hope to see one lrl that work

best reguards at hall
putre

[putrechigi]

hi hung, hi esteban, Perhaps you can kindly answer my questions? i want to really know why they d'ont work in europe , why morgan pay alot of money for noting
thank you very much

best reguards at hall

[Fred]

Hi putrechigi,
The ones that are for sell don´t work as advertised,and they don´t worth their price.
Don´t spend your money untill you have REAL proofs that they REALLY work.
For them the treasure is in your pocket.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by putrechigi

hi hung, hi esteban, Perhaps you can kindly answer my questions? i want to really know why they d'ont work in europe , why morgan pay alot of money for noting
thank you very much

best reguards at hall

Ola

Los mineoros,si funcionam en Europa,pero mi conclusion es que solamente localizan grandes cantidades de oro,superiores a 1kg,e las condiciones atmosfericas son criticas para bueno funcionamento del aparato,la humidad nunca deve ser superior a 50%.


Abrazos

[putrechigi]

[quote=Morgan;80639]Ola

Los mineoros,si funcionam en Europa,pero mi conclusion es que solamente localizan grandes cantidades de oro,superiores a 1kg,e las condiciones atmosfericas son criticas para bueno funcionamento del aparato,la humidad nunca deve ser superior a 50%.


Abrazos[/q
Muchas gracias Morgan

[hung]

This week's test.

Mineoro Tayon:

4X4" gold plate detection at 12 feet.
One aluminum beer can : 20 cm.
Gold ring: 1 meter.
1.5V short circuited battery: 65cm.

All tests inside house. Humidity 65-70%.

Conclusion: Nice filters.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by hung

This week's test.

Mineoro Tayon:

4X4" gold plate detection at 12 feet.
One aluminum beer can : 20 cm.
Gold ring: 1 meter.
1.5V short circuited battery: 65cm.

All tests inside house. Humidity 65-70%.

Conclusion: Nice filters.

are you sure about this results???

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by hung

This week's test.

Mineoro Tayon:

4X4" gold plate detection at 12 feet.
One aluminum beer can : 20 cm.
Gold ring: 1 meter.
1.5V short circuited battery: 65cm.

All tests inside house. Humidity 65-70%.

Conclusion: Nice filters.

Hi Hung!

Is this new model in experimental testing, not in market yet? Do a big iron mass near the ring nulls the detection?

Regards

Esteban

[hung]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Hi Hung!

Is this new model in experimental testing, not in market yet? Do a big iron mass near the ring nulls the detection?

Regards

Esteban

Tests were performed by one of my team members to my specific requests. Those are the maximum distances detected.
Good idea, I will have him place an iron object near it and see if this affects detection. From the start and knowing what's going on, I think it will have no influence at all unless this is exactly over it. Will call him today or tomorrow to test this.

Field tests start in a few days. In a few weeks he will travel to my place as I have a target the PDC has detected in a cliff near the ocean and we will head to it. We will employ only these two detectors for comparisons and will not use our LRL system this time to not disturb the ionic/lectrostatic field of the target.

There's a small detail in this model that caught my attention which was not featured in previous models. Sorry, but I better not talk about this here.
Also the device is light as a feather to his own surprise.

I don't know why not in their site yet. But yes, they are selling it.
For the bargain of a little over US$ 18,000.00.

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by hung

This week's test.

Mineoro Tayon:

4X4" gold plate detection at 12 feet.
One aluminum beer can : 20 cm.
Gold ring: 1 meter.
1.5V short circuited battery: 65cm.

All tests inside house. Humidity 65-70%.

Conclusion: Nice filters.

Now finding a gold ring a 1 meter or over 36 inch is not bad for a detector.
What type of filters are used in the detector .
WOW! METER FOR A RING>
WHITES,FISHER,MINLAB,TESORO, and THE GREEN ONE GARRETT can't do it(WHY ?) CARL CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR INPUT.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Now finding a gold ring a 1 meter or over 36 inch is not bad for a detector.
What type of filters are used in the detector .
WOW! METER FOR A RING>
WHITES,FISHER,MINLAB,TESORO, and THE GREEN ONE GARRETT can't do it(WHY ?) CARL CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR INPUT.

It's 1meter in Hung's planet... don't take it for good !

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Max

It's 1meter in Hung's planet... don't take it for good !

Exactly : heavy space-time distortion that is inversely proportional to the distance to target.
This is probably why he never get to the goal of his trips

[joecoin]

The device is as light as a feather.

Perhaps it is full of gas?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by hung

Tests were performed by one of my team members to my specific requests. Those are the maximum distances detected.
Good idea, I will have him place an iron object near it and see if this affects detection. From the start and knowing what's going on, I think it will have no influence at all unless this is exactly over it. Will call him today or tomorrow to test this.

Field tests start in a few days. In a few weeks he will travel to my place as I have a target the PDC has detected in a cliff near the ocean and we will head to it. We will employ only these two detectors for comparisons and will not use our LRL system this time to not disturb the ionic/lectrostatic field of the target.

There's a small detail in this model that caught my attention which was not featured in previous models. Sorry, but I better not talk about this here.
Also the device is light as a feather to his own surprise.

I don't know why not in their site yet. But yes, they are selling it.
For the bargain of a little over US$ 18,000.00.

Did you assure this is the real price? Don't think so... but if is very good, price don't will be a problem...

[humhum]

Hi HUNG ,send outside photos from Mineoro Tayon.

[hung]

No need.
It's looks exactly like the FG80. The mods are internal.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by hung

This week's test.

Mineoro Tayon:

4X4" gold plate detection at 12 feet.
One aluminum beer can : 20 cm.
Gold ring: 1 meter.
1.5V short circuited battery: 65cm.

All tests inside house. Humidity 65-70%.

Conclusion: Nice filters.

Why didn't the detector pick up:

1. The copper wiring inside the walls of the house
2. The water pipes inside the walls of the house
3. The electric fixtures
4. The refrigerator
5. The oven
6. The eating utensils (ie. silverware)
7. All the other metal items commonly found inside the house plus
those you may have been wearing or in your pockets

Something is fishy here Hung.

[joecoin]

Hung lives in a glass house, and he does not throw stones.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Why didn't the detector pick up:

1. The copper wiring inside the walls of the house
2. The water pipes inside the walls of the house
3. The electric fixtures
4. The refrigerator
5. The oven
6. The eating utensils (ie. silverware)
7. All the other metal items commonly found inside the house plus
those you may have been wearing or in your pockets

Something is fishy here Hung.

Hi Rudy,

If you read my post with careful attention you will know this is a gold detector only, not supposed to detect other metals.
Mineoro detectors work based on the principle that long time buried metals tend to form an electric field around them which are detectable. In the case of gold, the ionic chamber inside the device 'selects' this particular metal from long distance.
Up to the FG80, fresh gold detection was not possible. The FG80 is able to detect fresh items but the weather and proper conditions have to be met, such as low humidity, etc. The Tayon is an evolution, being more powerful and stable, being able to detect the gold items with a relative high humidity. Also as you notice in my post, aluminum for instance was deteted but from a very short distance, which means it is being filtered out.

So this answers your queries on why other metals were not detected and also the person who conducted the tests did this I believe in a room so no chance it would detect a refrigerator as this is not an item the device was made to detect as I said.

Anyway, his latest report to me had some not so good results in some aspects which I will detail here later.

Regards.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hung

Hi Rudy,

Mineoro detectors work based on the principle that long time buried metals tend to form an electric field around them which are detectable. ....

Regards.

If in fact long time buried metals actually could create a detectable electric field around them, there would be no reason to employ esoteric "ionic chambers" to detect those fields. There are a variety of other more conventional instruments that could be utilized. The fact remains, long time buried noble metals, in certain environments, may enter into a kind of electrochemical relationship with nearby less noble metals, but this process does not produce an electric field, and neither does it create a cloud of escaping "detectable" ions.

[hung]

Only a few days ago Mineoro received the famous APEX2008 prize. This is the most important prize in Brazil for corporations, involving top Brazilian Government sponsors.
You can see it here:
http://www.mineoro.com.br/apex/fotos.html

It's really sad to confirm that Damasio's health condition probably did not allow him to attent the show. Only his sons, the comercial directors, and members of the export management staff.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Theseus

If in fact long time buried metals actually could create a detectable electric field around them, there would be no reason to employ esoteric "ionic chambers" to detect those fields. There are a variety of other more conventional instruments that could be utilized. The fact remains, long time buried noble metals, in certain environments, may enter into a kind of electrochemical relationship with nearby less noble metals, but this process does not produce an electric field, and neither does it create a cloud of escaping "detectable" ions.

Hi, yes this creates an small electric field measurable with simple microamp. Difference is remarcable in comparisson portion of terrain without this buried for long time good conductive metals.