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I start here as a forum member with the name Morgan,the name of a famous pirate,becouse i´m not a saint,but i realy put here valuable information,remember the Alonsos PD,it take me one week to dismantle and make drawings of this schematic to share with forum,becouse i know PD is working as LRL,I never sold one clone PD becouse is not my project,but the PDK is another story,and what is PDK-2 ??? is the PDK-1 (same as you build) with simple but great modification that make it 7X more power than the PDK-1,this way power is enough to pick the small size targets. As i remember i post here the complet schematic for PDK-1,and said that there is a simple modification that UPGRADE the circuit 7X more. Once someone open (destroy) one PDK-2 and see the inner ,will find how simple is this modification,childrens work...however,to make the PDK-2 clone , the person need to know how to calibrate it in the way to make it detect the PHENOMENON,this is dificult task. Regards |
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Dear friend J_Player
In very short response to your post about my comments, i just feel well interpreted and thanks for helping me to express what my feelings and thiks are about how some members works on the forum. No no no, of course i will not fight with any member, is just that i believe is correct to express my opinions about what you can find here to stop uncomplete projects. May be the basic pdk is correct, but we all know some basic information was never release, for example when i was working and posting lots of questions about RX coils made of some turns on an 8 or 10 centimetres form, none tell me that RX coil mus be made of ferrite and that the coil in front of pdk ita was the TX coil. Ok words appart, i thank you your comments and yes FrancoItaly looks to me like a good person, cuase he is sharing his expirencies about LRL project. Best regards Nelson QUOTE=J_Player;143998]Hi Nelson, I believe you have the correct idea. There was a time when people made posts in this forum to show complete schematics, with no hidden parts, and no secrets. You can see a good example in the Ivconic negative charge detector here: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...ad.php?t=11392 In this topic, you will see the full circuit for Ivconic's charge detector, with many tips, and modifications to get very sensitive detection. You will see many forum members making comments to improve the electronics. And you will see the final circuit is a rather sophisticated differential amplifier design. As you read through the thread, you will find four additional full schematics of simpler charge detectors posted. This is one place where you will find most of the best designs for electric charge detectors all in one place. Any hobbyists can read, and find all details and tips to build these charge detectors. But most important, Carl-NC is the owner of this forum --- Here is what Carl-NC said when he saw the posts in the Ivconic negative charge detector thread: http://www.longrangelocators.com/for...0957#post40957 You can see that Carl-NC also agrees with your idea. Carl intended for hobbyists to learn how to experiment with long range locating together in this forum. He did not intend that this is a place to show photos of secret LRLs which nobody else can have, or posting misleading information, or missing parts which make the design impossible. But we see most of the posts in this longrangelocator forum are now showing photos of secret circuits LRLs which you will not be shown how to build. The exceptions where we see complete circuits and projects come from a few skeptics who post complete circuits for other people to build, and from a few LRL hobbyists who truly are interested in sharing their experiments with other hobbyists. While Carl did not intend this forum to be used as a place to show photos of secret detectors with false data, and hidden smoke screens, he did not make any rules to stop them. So it is okay with the forum rules for people to come here to brag about locators which you cannot have to make experiments with. And it has always been okay for manufacturers to advertise their products here, as long as they make their advertisements in the form of posts which tell detection information before people to send in their orders. Already you have discovered there are some forum members who send you some real help, not smoke screens and missing data. Maybe you will see these same people are the ones who you read making posts and giving tips in the Ivconic negative ion detector post from my link above. And you have seen some of your best help came from the book that was written by the biggest skeptics of the entire forum... Carl-NC and Qiaozhi. Of course, there is no need for any fight. Manufacturers are welcome here. You have learned that you will not be getting complete details for experimenting from Morgan or Geo or hung, and probably some others who did not post in this thread. But this is not a reason for a rebellion or a fight. This forum was intended for hobbyists to work together to share their ideas and find success with their experiments. The truth is known, so you are now free to look in the directions which you feel are most productive. You already are learning which forum members are interested in this same idea that you have. I see FrancoItaly also understands the truth of this forum. We know FrancoItaly is one of the better engineers in this forum, with a good understanding of electronics and very competent in his design work. I congratulate FrancoItaly, michael, and Nelson for discovering the truth of how this forum works. It seems you all paid the price of wasted hours building impossible circuits, but with your persistence, I am sure there is no obstacle you cannot overcome. Hopefully others can read, and understand to save themselves the trouble you went to. Best Wishes, J_P[/QUOTE] |
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I m not the kind of person who plays with people, this is not my way of life. I not also a lier, and if my english was wrong is just that. Yes is thru i got some signals with pdk but latter i found it was just a spark from a bad insulation on an electric post, so this made pdk sound. You know that pdk must be tune to some very critical frequency spectrum, so if you don t have a test bed or correct equipment to get tune on that frequency, it will be almost impossible to get a real signal from buried metals. Sparks can be almost detected with any sparks on a wideband spectrum, so again if you don t have the correct frequency and how to tune it, pdk is a no sense circuit. You know that i asked you about how to tune pdk, then you send me some information that was incorrect and this happened many times until today. Finally take a read to J_PLayer post a few hours ago. He interpreted me very well and that is all what i m talking about, nothing more. So my lesson was finally learned and this is that i must keep experimenting and follow orientations and advices from members that today we know are trusted people when you need real help and no more smoke curtains that just confuse you more than help you. If i m lucky with my project i will post for free full schematics and member references that help me to get success. Regards Nelson Quote:
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Battery spark is about to 1.5m Yes it can locate gold in front of OO coils. It detects better from front size than the rear size. It receives signals at 2 frequences, one at 77,8 and other at 79.6 Khz. Problem is that its very very difficult to calibrate it. With 3 coils it is not easy to make it to receive without a permanent oscillation. It oscillate at 30 Mhz and after a very fine tuning it stop to oscillate and receive signals. This is the reason that i don't put the schematic here. Regards
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Now i have closed. When i"ll open it then no problem to take some photos yet. It don't works like a normal PD. The basic is a modificated Alonso's passive receiver plus one extra amplifier plus a magnetometer as you wrote right.... Regards
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It is not a easy project so to give it free to a forum. In RS forum Morgan gave the schematic of PDK but nobody made it to work, so how they can make my project to work because it is very difficult???? I gave a general plan of it and some photos from inside so the members who interesting to work on it. Forums are for ideas exchange not for suppling schematics. Regards
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Hi Morgan.
I can't understand why you will stop the construction of PDKs??? There are many friends that they like a PDK by you, and some ""friends" who wants from you to stop to sell them. My opinion is to continue constructing lrls, for the moment you sell the best LRL and maybe the only REAL lrl. Regards
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Sorry Geo
But who are you to tell us that this is not an easy project so to give it free to the forum? Do you think we are stupids that we can think about how to solve "not easy projects" or you are so smart person that no one can go to your level in electronics? Let me tell you someting, may be you have got success with pd like Morgan with pdk, but no one can disparage our knolegments in electronics unless is limited or advance. If we (the forum members) are capable to build a metal detector with success and also implement to it some goods mods to allow a better machine, i think we understand electronics. Remeber long range detector are easier projects than a good metal detector like Delta Pulse for example. But Delta Pulse today has improved thanks to member support each other. So when you said that this is not an easy project so to give it free, i desagree cause the project indeed is an easy project, but to tune it correctly is the problem, so if you don´t contribute with full schematics i don´t understand why you are here or you are waiting for some inocent person that can help you secretely and after that you will continue to show members that you finally solve the problem for nuts and that now you have a 100% working pdk? No my friend this is no the correct way to join a forum for mebers that have a compromise to help each other. And if you want to know if i m upset with all this smoke curtains that for long time you and Morgan spread here, yes i m. Sorry to other members, but i just realise this circus must be stopped. Regards Nelson Quote:
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Yes, he sell the best LRL and maybe the only REAL lrl, THANKS TO GOOD MEMBERS HELP
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No my friend, you are wrong.
This could be a working project if you have posted real information, cause every one has something to give based on correct mods and implementations. Remember, we are gurus, but this is just the forum software that ascend us to gurus. In real world most of us , some not, are schematics cloners and reverse engeniering masters with smal electronics knolegments. Quote:
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Regards Nelson»»»»»» You ,and other members that share the same opinion,can talk with forum administration and ERASE me , go ahead. this is wath i said,the rebellion starts... |
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Very strange things....
There are persons who put here photos from outside of their machines for promotion and they are the Good members!!!!, and there are other members as me or Morgan or...who show photos from inside the machines and they are the bad members. Why???? because they don't give the schematic of their lrl. Really very funny. Dear Nelson etc... we keep this forum with these photos and with the little electronics that we know. You, what are you doing for the forum???, what you gave to it??? please remember me!!
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Is sad to get discusion to this level, but recognize that if you and Geo had posted real information, nothing of this will happend. I think a few members agree with my opinions and may be other don´t, and i respect each opinions. I never said that you and geo must leave the forum, i m just saying that all members are welcome to share information and not to keep has a secret project and if is secret, just go and open your own web site and get on buissnes. I have no personal fight with you and Geo, i m just tired of no sence information to allow development of PD, PDK or LRL. Cooperation and sharing of all members is very important to develop a good detector. If i sound to you like a har man, just try to get into my shoes and may be you will understand me. Regards Nelson |
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Is hard to do real things with wrong information and smoke curtains, specially if we are hamateurs on MD, but i also know that each man here have their own skills to support a project, so don´t ask for contributions from me because i know that i m not very skilled on desing a pdk or pd, but i also know i can contribute to do good field test and also work hard on antennas design and construction. But if there is no real sharing of circuit, it will be almost imposible for me to study one or more steps about this devices development. What i mean is that if you for example develop a long range detector and then share full schematic, this project can be a much more powerfull machine with members cooperation. In my case i don´t want to make money selling this devices, but yes i want to find a few treasures in my country and thats it. I also know that my comments to you and Morgan is like a close door in my nose, but i have nothing to lose if i m telling the thru. Regards Nelson Quote:
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I gave more info here but "nobody" took them seriously. When i went to Portugal to meet Morgan i had with me a PD, i tried it and worked. I told here that it was only the passive receiver (pcb5) with a tone generator (a lot of schematics here by Esteban) and a very simple oscillator. Also i gave photos from inside the box so everyone had the ability to see how all was connected together, but nobody tried it. Why????, maybe wanted full schematics.... Now i did the same but more simple...., only two photos, little comments and nothing else and you write so many things!!!!!. Really i don't understand and i Stop here. No reason for debates without results. Regards
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Ok Geo.
No problem, i will not lose my time trying to explain things to earless people. But i know a few members know that i m right and remember we are not real GURUS. NO MORE COMMETS UNLESS I GET ANOTHER SMOKE CURTAIN, so go ahead with your projects. Have a nice day Nelson Quote:
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I realy get good LRL information from forum members like Esteban,Geo and many others,but about a real working Long Range Locator device i get only smoke curtin too,however i spent two years playing with the PDK by Geo and Esteban,i made many tests,chang components,even try more than 20 diferent coils,toroids,ferrites,until the PDK start to locate some little size buried targets. It was a lot of work from my side,and if i want to share the information later its my problem,actualy i´m not interested to give here the modifications,you can call me egoist or pirate,i keep my position to not share more than the PDK-1 project,and my electronics knowledge is very limited,i thing if you spend a few months analizing and modificate your PDK-1,sure you will UPGRADE the circuit and by your umble soul share with the members here,they will thank you for that. I dont have a real business with PDK-2, from the more than 30 people asking me the LRL i select 10 of them,and actualy give up to build more PDK´s TH´s... I dont believe that any person here is so crazy to give golden information to others,it take me two years to UPGRADE the circuit to a reasonable level ,the PDK´s that i sold even is not enough money to cover the time i lose with the project. Nelson,i dont believe if you in my position will share with others what you discover... Regards |
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Morgan, look frontward.
I believe that after little time the members will understand. I wanted to post here a commercial LRL (this time not Mineoro) but who likes a schematic from a bad reverse engineer???? Maybe i will post only the details that some friends gave to me!!!! Maybe i will need your help Regards
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Your reverse schematics are always welcome.
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.....Nelson,i dont believe if you in my position will share with others what you discover...
If i get success, you will see i will, because the next step will be to improve the detector in cooperation with all good forum members that are waiting the same has me (full schematics) This is the same way i like to work on geotech1.com Regards Nelson |
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Special thanks
Big Thanks of Masters Morgan , Geo and Esteban , we learned very lore from them in this forum with real or half schematics and information, but they never give its secret science, because this is correct for they.
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hello,
is anybody there who is also using zahori ,mini zahori at his field searches or tests. two year ago , I pin pointed a place with zahori almost from 30 m , it was really giving direction. last week I tried zahori again , even tried at edge of noise , I could not pinpoint same place. does zahori need a working vlf station or something else like PDK? waiting comments , maybe you all need a question to loosen this debate. no need for argues... sometime all of us can became selfish but in genaral aspect . hope you are all fine. regards Okantex |
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