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Unless you develop experiments to try to prove or not some allegations in science, you can never state or believe what is estabilished as fact, because sometimes it's not. Eg. Everyday we have the 'experts' changing the age of things in history according to their findings. In physics, etc, it happens the same thing, but they do not even bother to do it. Humm... Why would that be...? Today, I can assure you.. Many of us know nothing. We think we do. Go on, build your rotor and don't keep looking at a drawing, telling yourself the reasons it should not work. Does this sound familiar here? Quote:
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it worked with mind concentration. every time tried to concentrate mind on device, it moved didn't need to get hand near the device. or another example one of my compatriots who could bend rough things such as steel spoon by his mind power he just held his hand over the object and concentrated his mind, the object was being bended. He did this frequently in front of National TV camera and said to the interviewer that he was supposed to cooperate with an [American]institute which study on man specific or unknown energies. I remember he pointed to one kind of magnetic energy, but didn't point exactly to the institute name. of course every time he was under a heavy pressure and his eyes became tearful.[it was genuine not hocus-pocus] Now, what can call this kind of energy? it's obvious has no relation to body temperature. Admittedly he is an exceptional case, but this represents all people; me, you and others have at least a shadow of this energy. Quote:
you believe in VLFs in Hz scale!!! 2 days before I got acquainted with a genius in physic. We talked much about radio frequencies,...I asked him" do you admit RFs can travel on & inside ground?" his A:" Yes, high frequencies do this much better, the lower the more difficult" As I had made test myself by my RF generator; either in HZ or KHZ, asked his opinion about it. he told : "it depends on power & amplification, in what power?" my A: " e.g. 100 Watt" his A:" yes of course" My Q:" how far? some inches or 1 meter?"[here I knew answer based on my own experience] his A:" no, much more, based on ground condition up to 100 or hundreds meters" I added :" some people who claim are very experienced and knowledgeable in RF sciences, believe that these kind of waves can go only up to some inches,.." He was surprised and told these are axiom. His comments was exact conjoint to my EE friend comments. Then he talked much about Satellite, and a kind of nuisance in RF categories (GAMER),... were very interesting and out of here patience. Now I have reached one point : most of our believes have been wrong. specially after make a connection with one of my compatriots who owns OKM exp 4000 &5000 and knows this forum, but only reads themes. by 2 weeks ago I believed OKM devices are bogus, now I'm in versus. this guy have found many objects by exps. and mailed me that he has even found 2 object by Lectra search the device that I and even he dislike it. with exp 5000 there is 4 VLF generators that produce 40 KHZ waves and injected to ground, then you search there by detector, in this attitude it can find metals much more better. why? you see injected Fr. is not in Hz range. it remembered me Okantex notification; he offered me to compose Zahori with RF generator instead of other type of rods. when weather allow,we will do it for every kind of detector; PI MD, Rover C and even FG80. |
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That's why I say there's much more than meets the eye. A reduction in antenna's size has been done before in a special case and it proved infinite advantage over the original design. In the early 80's, a scottish professor named Maurice Hately and Fathl Kabbary were working a completely different antenna design. The great concept of this design was based on the premise that a magnetic field could be produced without a current flow in a wire (hey there, does it sound familiar?) They used the reveresed negative solution of Maxwell's fourth equation and proved that a magnetic field really exists between 2 capacitor plates when a RF voltage is applied. Years and years later, I believe in the 90's, I think it was Kabbary who made a revolutionary design change in the antenna, employing a top which had funnel shape. This resulted in a design with only 21 feet tall in relation to the vertical design was replaced, 211 feet(!) in height. And later, tests demonstrated it had 800% advantage (about 9db) over the vertical one quarter wavelength design. This antenna was set in Egypt. So the idea of requiring long antennas for whatever purpose, many times does not hold true. If you only knew what can be done with 3 helmholtz coils/antennas... Never mind.. |
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Well, new year but old discussion...
I'd like to present a case which might no look related to LRLs at first but I do believe it's much more than we could dare to think. Specially the concepts and fields involved in comparison to dowsing abilities, ESP, and yes, radionics to some degree. It's a good case for all of us 'researchers' here to debate and share ideas. Sometime ago I was watching a cable TV show in the 'Infinito' network. Infinto is USA's 'Discovery Channel' type like' network. Only it's Argentinian I believe. In fact this channel was took off our program grid in Brazil unfortunately, although it remains for Latin America. Well, anyways, the show was about psychic powers and one special case did draw my attention. There's this young guy who could 'see' not only with his eyes... The tester told him he would be given 4 cards face down. The cards exibited pictures of complete different subjects such as bird, formula one automobile, a sailing ship, etc.. All in colors. The tester then placed the cards faced down in a table and asked this guy if he could tell which picture was which. I remember that the tester did not know which card was which also as they were mixed previously, so telepathy, mind reading and those kind of things were eliminated. I've seen those kind of tests before, but no one close to this guy's ability. He positioned one of his hands above the card and promptly 'saw' them describing the figures, even the colors sucessfully. Assuming he's not a magician, ET or hoaxer of any kind. This special ability is inherent to us all but at possbile different degrees as he proves his is quite powerful. Questions: 1 - Is the eye really the only factor responsible for viewing? 2 - Is it possible that the eye is only an 'interface' for a much broader way of vision sensing? 3 - In the case of the above being positive, could it be that all of our senses and beyond common sense are a result of a perception field on some kind which lies around us? 4 - Are those fileds of known origin? If so, how could they interact? Nice thinking to all. |
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Hung, I believe it thoroughly, as I have seen much cases of this and more strange. about the guy I mentioned above, I didn't tell all, as thought maybe people here think I'm making fiction.
He could move small objects by mind concentration with executed energy through his hand on it. he was even little able to read audiences mind. Here I before met face to face some people who had incredible abilities. The weirdest was an old physician with this god-given talent. He was really incredible. it was first time we met each other and didn't know anything about each other, just I had heard about his abilities, [please don't poke fun at me I'm really honest] he told my name, my father & mother name, he told boldest stories of my past life, present time and a little foretold about my future, he even got near my ear and told:" you are doing a dangerous work, you search for treasures,...." My brain was locked and I was shocked. I'm sure no one had told these to him, but from where he knew these, I just wanted to see him so that to examine him and quench the thirst of my curiosity, also he told me most of things that were highly private and personal, but he couldn't do anything on objects by his mind. What's the man mind? a complicated world that flesh, blood and bone are not all the matters. Hung, in your answer, No, eyes are not the only factor or means to see, there are some other things in this world ghost is the main factor that differentiate man from other existences. all other things; flesh, brain gray cells,… are alibi. Oh, one thing I'm sure is noticeable: today I heard of our national radio news that France is going to utilize an unique internet site with so many information about UFOs: formal and informal reports, every genuine taken pictures by people or organizations from UFOs thru 30 past years. What's your opinion? when you got the address, please inform me. |
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Back to the subject, I also met and know of several human beings who do what your friend does. This is called mediumship. A kind of energy inherent to some which allows for this. I was going to refer to this really later but you seemed to be really smart and figured it all real fast. Ok, now we got to this point (and there's no going back anymore), I want to know from you and from the others: In your opinion how these energy fields manifest? Electromagnetic printings relating to pre determined frequencies? On what powersource? Any induction involved? What kind? Does standard physics explain that? I bet so , but not your ordinary science project instructions manual... Can we achieve it with current electronics? Ahh.. Why not? I know a guy who touching an object can determine all the story related to it , even the date! This is called 'psycometrics' and is a rare kind of mediumship. But there are some in the world. Oh yes... The TV show 'Dead Zone'... Or you thought it was all fiction? Hey check some Unified Field Theory papers.. It's all there! Now go back to Radionics definition and see how interaction is programed... Wow... How much food for thought! |
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I hope not. I don't know him and maybe he is a trick afterall. But I know what I'm talking about and I bet Michael is also. I know the people with this supposed 'powers' here and they are no trick at all. In fact they know their gift and understand it. I admit I don't like the term 'psychic' as this is not what means exactly in portuguese which has a much more related term. This is a special condition found in some people which involves other things. I am aware you cannot even speculate about it because it's totally akin from you nature. Sorry, but this all goes back to what I already have stated. It's natural to the human nature to dismiss as magic, fraud, hypnosis, etc. everything they cannot understand and explain. A suggestion: Although US virtually mistreated all cases as fraud, etc. you could try to research the Florence Cook's case. However I am afraid all of this are corrupted in conclusions as well. It's exactly as the 'flat earth' belief. None dared to dismiss this idea for a long time. They accepted it but none had ever sailed that far to know if it was true or not. Get it? Until one day when finally the rounded earth idea was accepted. How much time did this take to happen? How much effort was needed to implement it? That's why I began to study this a long, long time ago. To understand. When we understand we accept. Quote:
I cannot ask you to believe as this takes time and study. You would have to unblock every wrong and false concepts you believe are right from all those years. Because they are not. I've been through this in the past... I know. It's hard. But then comes the reward when finally you discover the truth. So, if you could only admit it for a second, just for the record, you could try to answer the questions I posted above. This would be a good start and you would be contributing with your own ideas as well. |
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I think you are misunderstanding my words. When I refer to "magic" I mean "conjuring", not the stuff you see in the Harry Potter films. That's just make-believe. You have clearly not researched this area very well, otherwise you would understand the psychology that is being used here.
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I don't know whether this truth will will provide any enlightnment as to the abilities of the human bio-computer, but they are my personal experiences which have been confirmed by independent witnesses as each of the markers were found at the Dowsed locations.
And there are more. Perhaps the Skeptic mind can provide a logical explanation for my detecting these on a Topo map, or aerial photo from hundreds, or thousands of miles away from a place I had never been to?? Even though I am unable to provide a suitable scientific explanation, I cannot deny the fact. DOWSING EXAMPLES LINK: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...c,24475.0.html "WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE" Dell |
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It was not my intention to display Treasure for you. Only a method that I use and soliciting your Scientific explanation of how I am able to do this?
I'm sorry! I am unable to help you with your reading skills, or comprehension. Dell |
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Hanging a pendulum over a map has already been scientifically explained earlier in this thread. It's an excellent demonstration of the ideomotor effect. |
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An old saying states that the right moment will arrive to everyone till they see the light and wake up. It's pretty sure your moment still has not come. |
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The penetration of RF signals is limited by an effect analogous to skin effect, where the penetration depth is inversely proportional to the square root of the frequency and the magnetic permeability of the earth. Of course, the ELF RF although it can penetrate more deeply for the same energy expenditure, lacks the ability to "image" small objects due to their extremely long wavelengths. Quote:
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You haven't produced one shred of data or experimental evidence that has been corroborated by others under controlled conditions, to qualify it as science. And I am speaking in the context of the original thread here. That is, wether LRLs really detect at long range, wether the results can be reproduced by other independent experimenters,.... In short, what makes science a science. Nothing to do with other stuff (Ripoff motors, Helmholtz coils,...)
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In our case. We did the experiment, then we had to revise physics to acomodate it. But first we had an initial mathematical model which could be physically reproduced. Then by using the math applied in what was observed, new aspects were displayed. Quote:
We are in our science infancy. In fact 18th and 19th century scientists are way ahead of today's in many aspects. Part because there's no more scientific research as used to be in that era. Part because of financial , more profitable reasons. One example that comes to mind of that era type researchers today are canadian John Hutchison, Reginald Jaynes and Naudin, to name a few. Huthcison's work using modified Tesla coils and Van der Graaf generators created what it's known today as the Hutchison Effect. This was first acomplished in 1979 by mere empyrical experimentation. Still how it can be reproduced is unknown today. Military seeked him badly and he had his lab confiscated twice. This is an example of how this kind of tech can lead to serious trouble if divulged. That's why I will never disclose what we went trough 12 years ago. [quote] Quote:
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It's our body's electromagnetic pattern which emanates in vortex like emissions in this case from our hands. Our chakras have the same vortex behavior. You may say we are a kind of a resonating bio coil. It's all frequencies after all. You can't imagine how frequencies rule this universe. But this is another story. Good night gentlemen. |
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Yes, I utilize a trained Ideomotor response for my mental Dowsing. I know that. Is that the full Scientific explanation for how I am able to obtain provable results with consistency??
Your explanation seems very simplistic. Carl, imagines mental Dowsing success as guessing, by observing revealing clues in the photo, or topo landscape?? Both explanations raise more questions than they answer. Can you elobrate on how my brain is able to focus on to the location of some select targets, at places I have never been with accuracy, and other types of targets be inaccurate?? Thanks for adding your Scientific knowledge. So, far your expertise of the subject has been quite revealing. "WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, CAN BE DONE" Dell |
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I know what you mean, there are many people with strong psychoanalysis power and are indeed charlatan, they first get your info(data) then transform and deliver it in different way to you. yes, I have confronted frequently to many of them they couldn't get any of my info or personal tendencies, then for not become spoiled told many absurdities, and I laughed at them (as I'm very straightforward) and called them "Impostor" and changed their believers opinion. but the guy I wrote about was with a real different abilities, he hadn't talked to me and when met each other except to some greetings didn't talk even one word, then he at once directly went to main affair and told all my personal and private things. He had a different nature. one of my friends was very skeptic about this ability, when I arranged a meeting, he was like me shocked and believed. Qiaozhi, what we are discussing about can't be found in internet and I'm sure it's not trickery, or rare people who can tell every thing about you only by touching your shirt or sweater without need to see or meet you. Now search in internet, deny it, only because found nothing in net. Think a while; in internet we can't find an useful complete scientific book, now how can find one about such extraordinary abilities. maybe find some hints, but not practical for learning. these are abilities given for special men and proves we all have a shadow of them. In net you can search for "Human View" can find some themes about, but not exact me and Hung mentioned. Quote:
Why OKM does produce and present VLF generator with very short antennas as complementary accessory for metals to be detected better? (as you see in picture). If injecting RFs into ground is a futile work, why they do this? as I wrote and you didn't heed, my compatriot has found by exps, his last found by exp5000 was a 22.3 Cm gold sheet at 210 Cm depth. in a part of its' manual you read: "Normally frequencies of less than 40 kHz are used. Place the four VLF sender in a square or rectangle and power on all sender. Now you can execute a normal measurement in operating mode Ground Scan, see figure 40. By using the VLF sender in particular all metallic objects will be enforced more than a measurement without sender." |
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