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07-27-2006, 12:38 AM
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yea robert it is a little bit dull but i do enjoy seeing those who beleive in them, sell them or build them squirm under the pressure. some people kick dogs we just bash LRL's save the dog and come here and vent your frustrations of the day its more humane. besides i think i am going to design one that attaches directly to a shovel. and sniffs gold and silver from 1000 feet away and to depths of ohh lets be reasonable 250 feet deep. i bet it will sell like hot cakes hhahah maybe i can contact that detector shop in florida to market them? maybe carl will sell me all of his old experiments i can super glue then to a plastic box and epoxy then to the shovel handle. just retract the anntenea turn it on and go johnny go!
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07-27-2006, 03:19 AM
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Oh, Robert, oh Robert: your false name.
Now, you only know that Zahori is sensitive for electric lines, but not for your own investigation, your words are based on Ivconic investigations. In other words, your collaboration was zero in all aspects. I'm sure you never built nothing!!!! Use more better your EE. Sorry, nothing to do with Commodore or similar, you need glasses, telescopes, and more! Of course, never I'll show details here. If I work outside my house, maybe i work in electronics and my dedication in home regarding metal detector. Robert: Go home and play with your Playstation.  Qiaozhi: I use the PCBs of failure detectors. 205 and 210 models are good Mineoro detectors.
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07-27-2006, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Esteban
Qiaozhi: I use the PCBs of failure detectors. 205 and 210 models are good Mineoro detectors. Alright, surfing on Esteban's coment, I have a story to tell... Remember when I mentioned my friend Celi had found a ring at the beach with the PDC 210? Well, now I have the details, I mean amazing ones, as the ring was not long time buried ! While we were driving to the mining area, he told me the whole story. He used to have a restaurant close to the beach. One afternoon a friend came and ask him if he could detect his ring which he had lost in the beach a FEW HOURS EARLIER. Knowing the PDC would most likely detect targets which were buried or at surface but for a long time, he could simply have told him 'no can do'... But he tod him he would try. He went there with the PDC and the MP10, a Mineoro superb 2 box made in 1986. I played with it this weekend, and it's got features no 2 box to date pocesses AFAIK. Well his friend took him to the aprox area. He over input the gain knob a little and got a beep. Ironically his friend said that was not the right place. But the beeps kept emanating from a particular direction till it stoped as he aproached it. Naturally due to fast ionic field consumption as the ring was buried too short a time. He marked a small 'square' as a guideline at the sand and began scanning with the MP10. In matter of a few minutes the ring was at his friend's finger again. My guess is that since detection on sea is 4 times greater due to ionic conditions be present 24 hours a day, sodium and other ionici rich elements build up fast in the sand. Have a good day forumsters.
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#330
07-27-2006, 10:46 PM
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Pffff!!!!
 Qiaozhi: "..but it so much fun - don't you think?.." Yes, i agree! Sometimes, some claims,claimed here are so funny! Esteban looks as very good man, but sometimes very confused.....Amateur,laic...with a very good will to do something but do not know how!? Same thing with all amateurs,laics arround the world. But i can only support their efforts even if that leads to bust! Why? It is so funny, makes me laugh all the time! Besides it showed many times that those funny ideas can provoke serious ee to start thinking alternative way from time to time...It's been noted through history, that some of crucial scientific revelations has been made by great help of unawared amateurs!? Therefore....i am here, listen....waiting.... Ha,ha,ha.... Lost in NC I can only support you to continue with that magnificent project! If mineoro can do simillar....than we can do better! One hint: that shovel should be automatic! It can save you from hard labour - digging...It should dig alone without human effort!On the holder you can include gprs unit too...So if you asleep while waiting shovel to finish, later you can trace it by that unit! Esteban: "..Lost: you are l o s t!.." (L)ovely, (O)vationed, (S)weet, (T)rue.... Yes! That's me! What to say? Thank you Esteban!Thank you very much! "...Oh, Robert, oh Robert: your false name...." Again name!? What use for you if you know my real name? O.K. let say that my real name is Gervasiuss Twinkleminklensson....Are you satisfied now? Huh! You provoked me to dislose my identity...I have to kill you now! All of you! "...your words are based on Ivconic investigations...." Maybe i am ivconic !? Maybe i did all those investigations!? What makes you think that he (ivconic) is speaking the truth here? Is this really makes any difference to you!? I do not mind names here...i do mind only ideas and claims... Do not waste your time and energy on names, Esteban....try to focus on ideas, if you want to learn something here... Besides i have been already accused here that i am Robert,Sony,Leto,Strujas ......and now i can be ivconic too....i do not mind at all.. "...I'm sure you never built nothing!!!! Use more better your EE..." Oh! How i wish your words are true! If i had more brains before....i would rather be something else...trust me...but now it's to late. Ages....Maybe in next life! "...Of course, never I'll show details here...." But OF COURSE !!! I never doubted that! If you do that, you can lose all that glory which expects you in future! Same as mineoro! Same as your cousin..... You better keep your secrets, do not be so naive to share with others! Or you just do not have anything to share!? Or this is just another kiddy,bogus project!? Only time will tell.... "...Robert: Go home and play with your Playstation..." Yes! I am home now, and i play with my PS I all the time,although i play with my pc too... Since 1981. i had ZX Spectrum48, Commodore 64,Atari XL800, Amstrad/Schneider CPC 6128, Amiga 500, Dell PC XT turbo 10 mHz, 286,386,486....and all those pentiums so far.... Right now i do have Dell P4(2.26 GHz)...also a few older pentiums (II and III's)..... I am playing all the time....How did you knew that !!?? Ha,ha,ha.... "...I use the PCBs of failure detectors. 205 and 210 models are good Mineoro detectors..." Oh! I do envy you much! Who gave you those pcbs...? Is there any chance somebody else to have those? Can you send me one of them? I would like to play with it for a while.... Considering prices of mineoros products, you may consider yourself as a very lucky man having chance to experiment with their pcbs...! Ha,ha,ha.... Just to let you know...i already "disected" FG78 a several months ago...I was stupid not to take any photos at the time...These days i am preparing to do that again,but i will take photos on it...Later i can post all those here...At the time, i was not seen anything interesting inside that device...Some nonsenced components....nothing much! At that time owner of FG78 just bought it and was very affraid to let me to do some more serious investigations, due to posibillity to bust it somehow...Now,these days, very same owner is so disgruntled with FG78, so he is apathetic about it, and he's gonna let me to do whatever i want with his device....Problem is that he is living 180km away from me, so we have to find some spare time to meet and do that...I am waiting his call.. According to his experiences(simillar to mine) FG78 is bogus,faked, non-working...but very expensive "toy" for naives and stupids!!! Wasted money anyway! On the field it "beep"-ing from time to time....No rules at all! Detects nothing!!! He lost so much time digging huge holes everywhere...Has find nothing so far with it!!!! ..................... What to say more!? So many people from arround the world have very simillar experiences with mineoro products!! Are they all stupid? Are they all incompetent?? Are they all ignorants??? I do not think so!
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07-27-2006, 11:46 PM
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thanks for the encouragement! maybe i will get around to buildign on eof these in my spare time for kicks and grins. i think the automatic shovel idea is suberb. we can offer this as the "manuel" option. an upgrade that will only set you back an extra 999.95!
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#332
07-28-2006, 11:42 PM
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In italic letters, Robert wrote:
Do not waste your time and energy on names, Esteban....try to focus on ideas, if you want to learn something here... Yes, I want to learn here. Also I'm waiting for ideas from your part. All of us ignores the major part of all the things. * * * * * * * * * Besides i have been already accused here that i am Robert,Sony,Leto,Strujas ......and now i can be ivconic too....i do not mind at all.. Yes, I agree, think this is not the case. Is some difficult fight against multipersonality... * * * * * * * * * How did you knew that !!?? Ha,ha,ha... Suspicions... * * * * * * * * * I have to kill you now! All of you!  Do you have a good plan? * * * * * * * * * ... you may consider yourself as a very lucky man having chance to experiment with their pcbs...! Yes, this is true. And I said thanks all the persons provide me. Also have schematics of Mineoro (number 493 of my list): 493. Various Mineoro schematics, two boxes, etc.: - 08 MI - Two boxes - 89 MC - Two boxes - BL 692 - Two boxes - 8 VLl - MD - 8 VLU - MD - Modifications in Mineoro’s 8VLU - CM 80 - D1 and D2 - BFO - MP 10 - Two boxes - DC 2006 - Pistol long range - Pointronic 98 - Pistol long range - DCH 85 - Pistol long range And other pistol for to added in my list (don't remember the model). And mine ideas and schematics, sensors, etc. Clariffy: I don't work in Mineoro. I don't work for Mineoro. No pedantry. I wish to demonstrate you and all I'm not a lier. * * * * * * * * * But OF COURSE !!! I never doubted that! If you do that, you can lose all that glory which expects you in future! Same as mineoro! Same as your cousin..... Wich glory? The glory for me and the money for others? And as I'm not doctor in Physics or similar, no credit for nobody. True. * * * * * * * * * Believe me Robert: you not need much for to build long range MD, my uglies PCBs over Mineoro's main PCB is enough... and some kind of homemade sensor in antenna. I know various kinds of LR detection: - radio - antenna - infrared - light (this is a good hot antenna!) - electromagnetic - coil - square and round antennas - microvoltmeter - antenna - high voltage - variations of these - the better and more new (my discovery in sensor?): detection of molecular vibration of metal (frequency, low signal) - appears selective If the field for experimentation is very large, why the manufacturers are closely only in coil types? They only added screen and some tones for targets, but the depth of the detection is the same or similar than 20 years ago with all the reduction of noise in ICs. Maybe the problem is the regulation in power transmitter or what?
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#333
07-29-2006, 01:48 AM
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O.K.
 "...Yes, I want to learn here. Also I'm waiting for ideas from your part. All of us ignores the major part of all the things...." I guess now is the time to clear up some things. You already used bunch of my ideas so many times! You are just not awared yet! Robert is just my alter ego here. I wanted to split on two quite different subjects. EE who is posting some technicals and RObert who is bully, acting rude from time to time,provoking other nice people here (of course You too) to START USING MIGHTY BRAINS they have! Sometimes there are much of argue....even war.But it showed some results so far. I do not want to mix my professional attitude with my very own,personal opinion.That was the only reason. Do not try to guess second nickname here, you'll never guess it! Michael tried and tried but without any success....sorry Michael! So i do not "ignore the major part of all things" here, trust me! "...Do you have a good plan?..." Yes! Perfect plan! To let you to continue with your beliefs on LRL subject, of course this include all mineoro doubts so far.... This would be enough to kill you for sure! At least financially!!! "No pedantry. I wish to demonstrate you and all I'm not a lier..." I never said that! I do not think that at all! I do beleive that you are just too naive! But it will come to you sooner or later anyway... "Wich glory? The glory for me and the money for others?" Right! Good thinking! Think for a moment on money, mineoro can take, cose people like you promoting their products here and on the other places! Last you can do to compenstate is to post here every of their projects,schematics etc. to help others to see,check and decide about it....When i saw White's schematic for the first time and checked it, i didn't decide to build it...of course not, but i dug that it is very good machine so i decided to buy it...at the time...And of course i bought it, and now i am happy owner! Since i am ee, i always wanted first to see all the aspects of some apparatus, than to decide to have it or not....I do not beleive in plain advetisments at all even if they came from very serious manufacturer like White's, in this case. Of course there is another side of the story, There is a kind of people who have grabbed somehow some projects and schematics from others and later decide to earn some money on it, buy trying to sell those, using free forums for example.First by posting some non-interesting or semi-interesting stuff here(which nobody asked for), than very shifty advertise what they want to sell by posting some interesting appreciations,hints,remarks,particles etc... It is very easy to gush them! Just list the forum and read some posts twice...Ha,ha,ha!!! "Believe me Robert: you not need much for to build long range MD, my uglies PCBs over Mineoro's main PCB is enough... and some kind of homemade sensor in antenna...." I do beleive you.But those toys are not working what they supposed to do! Not detecting any metal anywhere! I made dozen so far, some of them many years ago. I experimented, tested,checked......Nothing! Those machines do something(very funny) but never what they claimed to do! If you ever found anything on the field without conventional md, than it was random find, lucky guess or your natural "skill" but NEVER YOUR LRL! If you do not beleive me than it is very easy to check that. Do some double blind tests, first you,than ask some of your "non-prospector" friends to repeat that...and you'll see! Read more of this in Challenge, Carl put that much better than me, there... "If the field for experimentation is very large, why the manufacturers are closely only in coil types? They only added screen and some tones for targets, but the depth of the detection is the same or similar than 20 years ago with all the reduction of noise in ICs. Maybe the problem is the regulation in power transmitter or what?..." Not true! Huge differences between oldies and new ones! But this technique dated from the begining of last century. Science developed quite new techniques, much better, powerfull, much efficieny.....Only those are much more expensive....For example trace some cesium gradiometer on the .net... .................................. "- radio - antenna - infrared - light (this is a good hot antenna!) - electromagnetic - coil - square and round antennas - microvoltmeter - antenna - high voltage " Almost forgot! This list of yours makes me think that you are much confused about fundamentals related to radio principles! You just can not confuse behavior of radio waves in any way with any principle of metal detecting. Radio wave is quite another thing and nothing related to it can not be applied to metal detector! Trust me! At least i am very good in radio stuff.Worked as professional so many years and main subject was radio waves, antenas, repeaters, power tx's etc...! The same with infrared! Such high freq. can not penetrate anywhere solid! "Microvoltmeter - antenna" ???????? What? Now you are confused resistivity meter principles with something!? "electromagnetic - coil - square and round antennas"....Huhh! Agan huge confusion! Coil is not antenna! Let me give you funny example! Let's take Classic III coil for example. Freq.should be from 6.35kHz to 6.55 kHz. So radio wave is aprox. 50km long!!! Does it means that Classic III can detect item on that distance? Or TX covers such area!??? Of course not! It has nothing to do with radio wave. It is just resonant freq. of presented e field, and CLIII coil is NOT ANTENNA !!! Perfect antena should be lambdax1. But mainly we use lambda/4 in almost all aplications ever! But if you "disect" CLIII tx coil you'll count only 31 winding!??? Very suitable for some SW freq., which means a few Mhz's !? So i'll repeat: do not mix radio with md at all! "- high voltage"....What? Many experiments busted so far on that. Even great Nikola Tesla stucked on it...."Does not drink any water...." Ha,ha,ha ! Another very funny example is Avramenko's fork....ha,ha,ha,ha....Why led's flashes!??? Ha,ha,ha,ha....Just closer examine the nearest TX shaft of local radio station in your place. You'll notice red light on the top of that shaft. It flashes by night to prevent some plane to crush or simillar...i guess!? That red ligh has not any power line at all. Than how it radiate??? Without any power??? Ask your local radio ee...Ha,ha,ha... Maybe it is a sort of Avramenko's fork....who knows? Ha,ha,ha...... I am to tired to give you more arguments here....Sorry...it's been a hard day today... regards 
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07-29-2006, 05:09 AM
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Robert:
Bla, bla, bla. Inflate texts! Theory, theory, this is the reason why nothing work for you! All I said here about kinds of detection, include FM radio, is true! This violates your academicism and diploma! You fail because you pretend show small signal in a meter or ear sound as metal detector, but this is so small, "a soft breeze", so you need to convert... Ok?  If you pretend to build according the same principle of classic MD, you're wrong! (But... a good MD you can convert in long range, and comprobe how our senses isn't enough.)
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07-29-2006, 12:43 PM
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07-30-2006, 06:11 AM
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Thank you Carl
Thank you Carl. It's a very good step. I appreciate it though it could have done much earlier. Not bad if check; http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?t=11899
the member again calls names with derogatory phrase (suck...) apparently can't do in normal and polite manner and is hard for him tolerate the opponent opinions. this is far from a forum etiquette. may be our opinions here not be like or even be opposite, but never have right to mock or humiliate each other. every idea or belief is respectable in it's place. Again thank you very much.
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#338
07-30-2006, 07:55 AM
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Onesided!???
CArl do not be onesided! Cant you see who started first....or he is just your good friend? Congratulation Carl.... You asking a lot of job un further...
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#339
07-30-2006, 08:12 AM
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First read it...than delete it !!!
SINCE CARL DID NOT READ MY LAST POST - JUST DELETED IT WITHOUT ANY INTEREST FIRST TO READ IT...I AM REPEATING IT AGAIN: Just to remind present people here: .................................................. ....................................... Hung to Esteban : "...Esteban, don' let tis guy take your time. Leave him talking alone.." .................................................. ....................................... Well,well ...!??? I do not remember, that, me or Esteban mentioned your name or anything connected to you Hung.....Correct me if i am wrong. We were discussing some Esteban's claims and i was very ready to calm down my tone and start a sort of dialogue with him, cose he looks like a man with who man can talk even if not agree in many points. Esteban showed some respectfull character here on this forum.... I was ready to discuss more deeper any of aspects of his ideas and claims. To tell the truth i was(and still i am) very interested about some of Esteban's experiments, claims and opinions. I am EE and profesional, i do rank my self very high, i am not false modest, i am not hypocrite to think about myself high but at the same time present myself very modest here... Esteban is not EE....so what? I do not mind.... All of his previous posts showed me his great dedication to this md subject. I was ready to argue with him(polite), exchange some knowledge etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But all of the sudden you showed, unbidden, unnasked with a brilliant sentence: "...Leave him talking alone...." .................................................. .................................... Bravo Hung! Very easy you trampled over my effort to make at least some comunication with Esteban...!!!???? That is this Forum for! To comunicate,cooperate....exchange....Even between people with very oposite opinions and attitudes.... But not for you! For you this forum has only one purpose: to advertise only one product, to spit on others and from time to time to provoke everybody else who do not agree with that.... I am sure that you gonna disregard my posts, and i am glad for that.Better to stay that way! I am writting this for others to explain my behavior, language and attitude... When you asked for trouble, be sure, you'll get it !!! I do not feel any remorse. My reaction was very right! I can react even worse, But trust me, you do not want that! I deleted here some words ..... .................................................. ..................................... Esteban we may continue or not...As you wish.. I have no hard feelings on you at all. Your sketchy list of principles is interesting me. I would like you to go detailed and explain some of your claims and ideas. You do not have to uncover your secrets but just a bit to explain what you listed above.... I posted my critics on it, as it was - sketchy, in manner to provoke you to explain more. If you feel angry and do not want to, than O.K. ... "...Bla, bla, bla. Inflate texts! Theory, theory, this is the reason why nothing work for you! All I said here about kinds of detection, include FM radio, is true! This violates your academicism and diploma! You fail because you pretend show small signal in a meter or ear sound as metal detector, but this is so small, "a soft breeze", so you need to convert... Ok...." My "inflated texts" are not empty retorics! You may check my claims any time.... Theory.......without theory the rest is "fog" walking or jump from a clif.... ".....You fail..." What makes you think that i failed ??? You do not know yet about my experiments on that subject...??? Be pationed, talk, give and wait to take.... ............................................... The rest of people here can see and check every claims....This is very public, so if you do not have anything "tactile" to say here.....well??? Disregarding is very weak weapon.... Somebody showed his illiteracy. He also showed will only to advertise and provoke.... Esteban it is your turn now to make difference ... I DELETED A FEW WORDS FROM THIS POST....O.K. CARL YOU CAN ERASE ALL... BUT FIRST READ AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND BACKUP OF THAT - THAN ERASE.... OTHERWISE....!!!!????
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07-30-2006, 12:37 PM
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My sad story....
 Hi folks! Here is my sad story....No need for words...pictures are enough!
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07-30-2006, 12:40 PM
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True story...
This is my ad and true story....
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07-30-2006, 12:41 PM
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07-31-2006, 08:51 PM
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:confused: :confused: :confused:
Whats your story SRL man ??? I do have certain "history" here. My war is only mine! Whats your story???? Your post is gonna provoke them to convince me again! Dirty language.... very dirty!!! I decided to stop a few days ago! My next posts would be only pictures without dirty "words"!!! I "wash my hands" of you!!!! :mad:
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07-31-2006, 09:32 PM
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You'll die hard !
Huuh!!! Can't you see Robert..??? Can't you recognize him??? Looking more carefully on style and utterance i can swear that SRL is nobody else but one of those two "sweet LRL boys" you being arguing with lately! English language ignorance, spelling(orthography) ignorance too!? If you look their previous posts, read it carefully, compare style of "naming" words in sentence....than you'll notice and find out who is SRL ....Ha,ha,ha....SRL your style is so transparent! SRL you are trying to imitate "rude and dirty" language of me and RObert....but weak...very weak man. You were thinking to "answer" the same way to us...Ha,ha,ha..... Only one thing you are missing: STYLE... Brains and style. You just have to know when,where and how to put words togather. What you done here is crap! I hope that Carl is gonna delete this the same way he deleted our stupid posts... I have only one more thing to say....BUT WITHOUT NAMING ANYBODY HERE!!! Gays would stay gays !!! Even if changing nicknames and reposting pictures with changed txts....gays always stay gays !!! Lack of arguments "push" brainless people to act stupid! Ha! The WAR continue !!! But next phase is something much different! Until liers, gays and frauds die !!! P.S. By the way... this is not just a presumption. We done our investigation we traced him, we do have his ip.... WE ARE THE MASTERS OF .NET !!!! Nobody can hide from us....and nobody can trace us !!!! Next is "bombing" him to death!!!
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07-31-2006, 11:01 PM
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Back to reallity...
O.K. Sony...we'll deal with those out of this forum... Now... This will be serious post without any of "words" from my very rich dictionary! I am writing this for occasional visitors (very rare) here, NOT for "natives" here, cose i do not want to argue any more on this very nonsence subject.... BUT AS LONG AS THIS NONSENCE LAST...THAT LONG I'LL CONTRIBUTE HERE WITH MY MODEST OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES....JUST TO HELP TO NEWBIES AND VERY RARE VISITORS HERE!!! IT IS MY DEMOCRATIC RIGHT! AINT NO CARL, CAN DELETE THIS!!! .................................................. ................ "This is not a regular proximity or electrostatic field detector. This is an ionic field detector which detects specifically gold although some elements of the above fields mentioned are present..." .................................................. .................. Gold (Au) does not produce ions...this is fact!!! Even proximity or electrostatic field detector can NOT (impossible) DETECT ANY KIND OF GOLD.......this is fact !!! .................................................. .................... "...Be careful, quick conclusions may lead to incorrect diagnostics.." .................................................. .................... Conclusions made after weeks of experimenting with a few mineoro top models are not QUICK !!! .................................................. ................ "...low humidity real environment condition, which is needed for the FG 80 to detect 'fresh' gold...." .................................................. ................ Real environment conditions are NOT LOW HUMIDITY !!! AND : the FG 80 CAN NOT detect 'fresh' gold or any kind of gold...FACT !!! .................................................. ................... "This is a must for any researcher who decides to get this detector, as humidity conditions can change dramatically in the field and the researcher will promptly be aware of the detecting conditions. The best is the digital model. Don't get the mechanical one which is prone to misgaugings and several inconsistencies due to light transport bumps." .................................................. ..................... I am very lured to use some of "words" on this...but i will not! So many craps in a few sentences !!!????? Somebody once said that mineoro acts like "Tribal Quack" !!! How true it is! You have to fulfill so many conditions to make it "work"... ts,ts,ts,ts....even if fulfill all of those it still NOT WORKING, it still RANDOM BEEPS ! This is fact!!! .................................................. "...Mineoro's claim about the humidity factor..." .................................................. .. Mineoro have million claims about infinite number of factors so they can always have good reason why their machine NOT WORKING AT ALL !!!! This open so many excuses against customer apeals later !!! .................................................. ......................... "...My gold ring was picked up from about 5 foot easily and consistently..." .................................................. ......................... And my gold ring (11g..999) was picked up from 8 foot easily and consistently with FG78....Later i repeated with cola can, some iron, glass of water,soldering iron( off and on)....and empty hand too. When no object or hands at all...again random BEEPs from time to time !!!! No rule! I found out that FG78 picked up all present FM radio signals.....When went deep in mountains where supposed to be a lack of any hum and industrial signals, it BEEPS rarely in any direction.... again no rule....random!!! Also picked up strong FM radio again.... .................................................. ............ "...AND IT GOT PICKED BY THE INFRARED IN THE IONIC CHAMBER..." .................................................. ............ WHATTTTT !!!??? HA,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha !!!!! Again ionic chamber but now it is with some INFRARED !!!????? Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha..!!!!!!!!! Ionic chamber OYE ! Ionic chamber all the time, oye,oye !!! Muchos ionicos chamberos segnor...oye,oye!!! THERE IS NOT ANY IONIC CHAMBER IN IT !!!! Either missinformation either wrong understanding of terms and English language !? Infrared !????? What is infrared in or about it??? I disected few models so far....nothing ionic and nothing infrared in it !!!!! ............... Epilogue According to my modest(i am not honest here) knowledge i can presume what are mineoro FG78 and FG80 and simillars.... Those machines are nothing more than mystified Zahori-look-like devices... First Ivconic made Zahori, than i made it...than both of us took FG78 again to test and disect it(first time we done that in february as i remember)... Comparing FG78 with Zahori behavior, we dug conclusion that those are the very same machines, only made different way!!!! I can even add that Zahori showed much better and much reliable performances than FG78... There are not random beeps at Zahori.It beeps only when AC e field is nearby. Depending of power and radius of that field the distance is longer or shorter.. But FG78 showed much more instabillity and noticeable shorter range of detection! Ivconic later added much better audio on Zahori, than performances became much better... I DO RECOMMEND EVERYBODY INTERESTED TO BUILD ZAHORI AND LATER TO EXPERIMENT WITH IT. Trust me: What you gain with Zahori would be much better than what you suppose to gain with any of mineoro model ever!!! One more thing: Zahori will cost you aprox. $10 to $15 to build, but to buy any mineoro......hell money! Many Thanks to Esteban who persisted on Zahori subject such long time and to Ivconic who added such rich and nice audio on it!!! BE SMART! BE SCEPTIC! BE CLEVER! DO NOT BELEIVE IN EVERY"SWEET" CLAIM HERE! DO NOT LET YOUR SWEET DREAMS LEAD YOU TO BUST! Best regards!
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08-02-2006, 02:03 AM
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If only a ball pen creates more than 50v! of electric field,
the mineoro is a really crap. Electrons are everywhere, even ir you clothes. And to detect alpha radiation (protons) u will need a mica tube with a geiger counter. And a proton does not travel more than 5 meters (if you are out of a lept), radiactive stuff like pechblenda (uranite) shoots alpha radiation (and betta and gamma), but don't try to discover if the mineoro works like a geiger counter or you'll die by Cancer. Even if you want to receive rf induced signals, there are trillions only of harmonics in the nature. Last thing... If you want to do a very accurate ion catcher, get an OPA128 and do a profesional electrometer, u'll can read electrostatic voltages from charges of 40 femto amperes. See you
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#348
08-02-2006, 11:33 AM
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Good point!!!
Ikarus.nu...you are so RIGHT !!! But some people here know that better, only they have to do what are they payed for! If this wasnt case, than i am 100% sure they be absolute ignorants! ........................ OPA128 is interesting hint! I've been using TLC272,CA3130/3140 and in some cases NE5532/5534... Now,I'll try OPA128 for sure! What's story about OP37 ? But no matter those experiments of mine....I am absolutelly sure there is no way TO DETECT ITEMS THEY CLAIMING TO BE WITH THEIR MINEOROS !!! NO SUCH THING!! Fairy tales! ............................... You mentioned some devices.....see picture... I've been experimenting on that "field" for some years... regards
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#349
08-02-2006, 11:34 AM
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ts...ts...ts
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#350
08-02-2006, 08:50 PM
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To Robert
Military equipment and looks modified. I did a check and found no reference to M118. So would you tell us what the equipment is. I too have been working on "detecting the field". I figured you must know something as your info re ion and electrostatic field detection is pretty much right on.
Otherwise send email to goldfinder@excite.com if you want to trade stories and info. Best Regards, Goldfinder
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