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Old 10-08-2008, 01:48 PM
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Here we can the LRL prototipe and another LRL yellow big Antenna device created by Alonso who still in TOP SECRET.
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:51 PM
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Here we can the LRL prototipe and another LRL yellow big Antenna device created by Alonso who still in TOP SECRET.
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:04 PM
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Hi, Morgan

L2=? uH
Two circuit ?
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L2=? uH
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the L2 in the ionic circuit its just one rectangular single turn copper antenna. its to put inside the wood box,behind the bfo coil.
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I saw there's a 2N3819 there... very hi input impedance at gate...

I saw that stuff in some old e.g. power lines detectors: the hi impedance of fet make it easy getting signals from e.g. static charges (even if no current or really small flows in the wires or other conductors... and not only),

Now the problem is, how this kind of front-end couldn't be saturated by static charges all around... ?

I mean, also the user must e.g. walk... move... and electrostatic charging could appear due to clotes that move too over the skin etc

Doesn't it give a lot of false signals ?

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Old 10-10-2008, 11:47 AM
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Hi,
I saw there's a 2N3819 there... very hi input impedance at gate...

I saw that stuff in some old e.g. power lines detectors: the hi impedance of fet make it easy getting signals from e.g. static charges (even if no current or really small flows in the wires or other conductors... and not only),

Now the problem is, how this kind of front-end couldn't be saturated by static charges all around... ?

I mean, also the user must e.g. walk... move... and electrostatic charging could appear due to clotes that move too over the skin etc

Doesn't it give a lot of false signals ?

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No false signals. You should not use nylon clotes.Device is so sensitive to microvolts,the screen of my TV detect 6meters,one ligth projector 4meters, of course power lines also and the phenomena of LTA buried metals.
The big problem here its the 250 mH RF chok,it drift time to time and needs adjustment with screw driver,and this is very boring to open the wood box to do it. If existe any Micro Henry control knob to put outside the wood box ,it will be great.Old BFO comes with Big 10 turn outside box capacitor ,but this not exist anymore.
This device works exactly as BFO detector,when its in the proximity of energy fields,we have reaction of the ionic circuit and increase in BF oscilator ,All together.
Possible to use device all the day,not become saturated if the ionic antennas are made as you can see in the photo.
In the begining of this project,we mix L2(ionic antenna) with BFO coil,and like this it becomes saturated,but if you put L2 as a square antenna direct behind BFO search coil,it works fantastic.
The BFO coil,should be made without any Faraday shield.
I dont know if this LRL works in Ireland a lot of umidity reduce the ionic electrostatic fields,so better you not spend time building another LRL p00p device.I dont want to see you again complaining...
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Hi, Morgan

L2=? uH
Two circuit ?
There is two diferent sistems in working LRL devices :

1- The ABSORBTIVE -it absorbs the electromagnetic fields produced by LTA buried metals. It is scientific information that every buried metal(hig conductive) generates an anomaly in the electric and magnetic field of the Earth,iron not produce because its magnetic material,imagine the planet is one gigantic magneto.This diference we can detect with absorbtive Pistoldetektor device.

2-The Ionic/Electrostatic-it detects the electric field of the Earth,it measure and detect the anomalies produced by LTA buried metals generated in the eletric and magnetic field of the Earth.Some people say there is some negative ions or stactic charges around LTA buried metals,this is associated with the phenomena.
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There is two diferent sistems in working LRL devices :

1- The ABSORBTIVE -it absorbs the electromagnetic fields produced by LTA buried metals. It is scientific information that every buried metal(hig conductive) generates an anomaly in the electric and magnetic field of the Earth,iron not produce because its magnetic material,imagine the planet is one gigantic magneto.This diference we can detect with absorbtive Pistoldetektor device.

2-The Ionic/Electrostatic-it detects the electric field of the Earth,it measure and detect the anomalies produced by LTA buried metals generated in the eletric and magnetic field of the Earth.Some people say there is some negative ions or stactic charges around LTA buried metals,this is associated with the phenomena.
The same explanation I post here since many years.
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Old 10-10-2008, 04:40 PM
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thanks morgan for give this

hi brodhy, clear me one point

ibecause of instrucciones in circuit 1 are for my confuse
i not understand you say, where L1 circuit 1 oscillator

here say L1- 180x11 cm etc --------- AND down say 22cm x 30 cm, what is these?
clear me please

wire is inside aluminium tube square? is not easy put 15 turns inside

i am entusiast of bfo's not ufo's haha these complex stuff is for my
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mm i think understand

morgan say me ok
1.80 ( m ) es the messure lenght of aluminun tube extended for 1 cm of diameter ?
jjjjaajjaa hey brodhy these is of you wrong specification
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Old 10-10-2008, 04:51 PM
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oh yeah i understand is the wire coper extended
but x 11 ( milesimas ) mm
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Here is schematic from your PCB.
NOT CHECKED!
It´s just a BFO detector.
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Old 10-11-2008, 12:42 AM
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Here is schematic from your PCB.
NOT CHECKED!
It´s just a BFO detector.
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As i said before,its one BFO detector working together with one ion detector.You are missing the other PCB (ions detector).
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I wonder what is the purpose of the BFO if the ion can detect far away??
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thanks morgan for give this

hi brodhy, clear me one point

ibecause of instrucciones in circuit 1 are for my confuse
i not understand you say, where L1 circuit 1 oscillator

here say L1- 180x11 cm etc --------- AND down say 22cm x 30 cm, what is these?
clear me please

wire is inside aluminium tube square? is not easy put 15 turns inside

i am entusiast of bfo's not ufo's haha these complex stuff is for my
PCB1

L2= 18 cm x 11 cm BFO coil made of 12 or 15 turns,wire 0,25 mm. No Faraday Shield.


PCB2

L1= Big Aluminium Antenna 22 cm x 30 cm(ion detector 1)
L2=Small single turn,copper antenna 8cm x 4cm ,Ion detector 2(this one fixed in the wood box,behind the BFO coil).
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Old 10-11-2008, 01:25 AM
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I wonder what is the purpose of the BFO if the ion can detect far away??
I will ask the person who was mixing the two circuits. But i think its not only to pinpoint the objects located by the ionic. In my experiments,they react together to targets.
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I wonder what is the purpose of the BFO if the ion can detect far away??
Oh,i forget to tell,its possible to ear sometimes radio station many kilometers faraway !!!
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I was post this many months ago. If somebody here has good memory ... And this is 30 years old!!! Some similarities are just coincidences!!!
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Anyone going for Carl's gold yet.
I see circuits but no one is going for Carl's GOLD.
I will go back to lurking.
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Hi Morgan , L1 (PCB2) and L2 (PCB2) .

So open loop anten ?

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Anyone going for Carl's gold yet.
I see circuits but no one is going for Carl's GOLD.
I will go back to lurking.
I have seen many post from you asking for diagrams to begin to build a LRL : now you have them...
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Hi Morgan , L1 (PCB2) and L2 (PCB2) .

So open loop anten ?

This is Ionic Locator(negative). Yes we based on this one because its much more simple than Zahory,and it works very good.
The antennas we put diferent as you can see in my drawing,we get better results.
Yes realy very useful schematic...
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Old 10-11-2008, 11:07 PM
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I was post this many months ago. If somebody here has good memory ... And this is 30 years old!!! Some similarities are just coincidences!!!
Of course we study your devices Esteban. We know very well they work,but unfortunatly you never put complete shematics...
Anyway thaks for the teory about working LRL and nice LRL device photos.
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Old 10-11-2008, 11:13 PM
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Default The BFO and the ionic Antenna...

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I was post this many months ago. If somebody here has good memory ... And this is 30 years old!!! Some similarities are just coincidences!!!
Yes,we made like this because its logical,and you said it woks.
And i can see in this photo you use near the coil some kind of IONIC CHAMBER. I know also,that its possible to polarize one gold leaf inside the tube. This will make device more selective to find only GOLD !!!
Can you teach,how to do this ionic chamber?

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