Alibaba

[Esteban]

http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11783..._Detector.html

[roberts]

"Detailed Product Description
KM 400 Digital metal detector can detect Gold, Silver and Diamonds. KM 400
Digital locates, not only small amounts of currencies, but it locates easily, gold, silver,diamonds and great buried treasures found either deep or shallow depths."

I am taken aback for real with this redundant,detailed product description!?
Almost a novel?

As we can see on posted picture, enclosure is motley,funny painted, fully labeled...? Reminds me on Mineoro enclosures.
Why LRL device are usually packed in full coloured,motley packages!? Must have some influence on device accuracy or...?

[roberts]

I did more detailed examinations!
Look what i found out!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by roberts

"Detailed Product Description
KM 400 Digital metal detector can detect Gold, Silver and Diamonds. KM 400
Digital locates, not only small amounts of currencies, but it locates easily, gold, silver,diamonds and great buried treasures found either deep or shallow depths."

I am taken aback for real with this redundant,detailed product description!?
Almost a novel?

As we can see on posted picture, enclosure is motley,funny painted, fully labeled...? Reminds me on Mineoro enclosures.
Why LRL device are usually packed in full coloured,motley packages!? Must have some influence on device accuracy or...?

Strange that the advert states "KM 400 Digital metal detector" but it has KM 400 ANALOG printed on the case!

[Fred]

"Strange that the advert states "KM 400 Digital metal detector" but it has KM 400 ANALOG printed on the case! "

So what? results are the same, the device works pretty well at detecting the customer´s money, no matter how deep or far away it is!

[Esteban]

Open Sesame!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Open Sesame!

Yikes! ... it works!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Strange that the advert states "KM 400 Digital metal detector" but it has KM 400 ANALOG printed on the case!
Yikes! ... it works!

.

[Max]

Hi,
don't wanna be polemic.... but alibaba was a thief.

I think that who call a product alibaba wanna make some irony about customers

Kind regards,
Max

PS: ok ... ok... alibaba is the website... but I never heard of a KM400 thing before so I think that's funny that a website called "alibaba" sell them

[mosha]

Originally Posted by Max

Hi,
don't wanna be polemic.... but alibaba was a thief.

I think that who call a product alibaba wanna make some irony about customers

Kind regards,
Max

PS: ok ... ok... alibaba is the website... but I never heard of a KM400 thing before so I think that's funny that a website called "alibaba" sell them

No, not exactly, read bellow from Wikipedia:

Ali Baba, a poor Arab woodcutter, happens to overhear a group of thieves—forty in all—visiting their treasure store in the forest where he is cutting wood. The thieves' treasure is in a cave, the mouth of which is sealed by magic—it opens on the words "Open, O' Simsim" (commonly written as "Open Sesame" in English), and seals itself on the words "Close, Simsim" ("Close Sesame"). When the thieves are gone, Ali Baba enters the cave himself, and takes some of the treasure home.
Ali Baba's rich brother, Cassim, finds out about his brother's unexpected wealth, and Ali Baba tells Cassim about the cave. Cassim goes to the cave to take more of the treasure, but in his greed and excitement over the treasures forgets the magic words to get back out of the cave. The thieves find him there, and kill him. When his brother does not come back, Ali Baba goes to the cave to look for him, and finds the body, bringing it home. With the help of Morgiana, a clever slave-girl in Cassim's household, they are able to give Cassim a proper burial without arousing any suspicions about his death.
The thieves, finding the body gone, realize that somebody else must know their secret, and set out to track him down. The first several times they are foiled by Morgiana, who is now a member of Ali Baba's household, but eventually they are able to ascertain the location of Ali Baba's house.
The lead thief pretends to be an oil merchant in need of Ali Baba's hospitality, bringing with him mules loaded with thirty-eight oil jars, one filled with oil, the other thirty-seven with the other thieves (the two missing members were the scouts previously sent to find the house, who were killed for their failure). Once Ali Baba is asleep, the thieves plan to kill him. Again, Morgiana discovers and foils the plan, killing the thirty-seven thieves in their oil jars by pouring boiling oil on them. When their leader comes to rouse his men, he discovers that they are dead, and escapes.
To exact revenge, after some time the lead thief establishes himself as a merchant, befriends Ali Baba's son (who is now in charge of the late Cassim's business), and is invited to dinner at Ali Baba's house. The thief is recognised by Morgiana, who performs a dance with a dagger for the diners and plunges it into the heart of the thief when he is off his guard. Ali Baba is at first angry with Morgiana, but when he finds out the thief tried to kill him, he gave Morgiana her freedom and she marries his son. Thus, the story ends happily for everyone except the forty thieves and Cassim.
The story has its base in a Sudanese saga of king Ali Baba of the Bija tribe (inhabited near Port Sudan). The king refused to pay the taxes to Al-Mutawakkil, the tenth Abbassi caliph in Baghdad. The rebel king sealed all gold mines in the mountains and stopped central officials from going to the whole Red Sea area. Baghdad did send its army in to keep its power upon the vital gold market in the Islamic world (it's believed that Sudan provided more than sixty percent of the Abbassi gold in the pre-crusade era) and within five years it managed to crush the rebellion. Ali Baba, taken to Baghdad, carried all the gold hidden by his men to the caliph. A public display of the great treasure and the defeated king was shown in all important cities in the road to the capital Samarra creating the legend of the caves and the legend of the thieves. In the end, Ali Baba was granted amnesty in Samarra and upon his return he gave gold to the needy in all major towns in the road as a good gesture to the Muslims whom he fought.[citation needed]

[joecoin]

"Ali Baba is at first angry with Morgiana, but when he finds out the thief tried to kill him, he gave Morgiana her freedom and she marries his son. Thus, the story ends happily for everyone except the forty thieves and Cassim."

The story does not end happily, because Morgiana turned out to be a beotch who made Ali Baba Jr miserable. All she ever did was complain.

[Max]

Originally Posted by mosha

No, not exactly, read bellow from Wikipedia:

Ali Baba, a poor Arab woodcutter, happens to overhear a group of thieves—forty in all—visiting their treasure store in the forest where he is cutting wood. The thieves' treasure is in a cave, the mouth of which is sealed by magic—it opens on the words "Open, O' Simsim" (commonly written as "Open Sesame" in English), and seals itself on the words "Close, Simsim" ("Close Sesame"). When the thieves are gone, Ali Baba enters the cave himself, and takes some of the treasure home.
Ali Baba's rich brother, Cassim, finds out about his brother's unexpected wealth, and Ali Baba tells Cassim about the cave. Cassim goes to the cave to take more of the treasure, but in his greed and excitement over the treasures forgets the magic words to get back out of the cave. The thieves find him there, and kill him. When his brother does not come back, Ali Baba goes to the cave to look for him, and finds the body, bringing it home. With the help of Morgiana, a clever slave-girl in Cassim's household, they are able to give Cassim a proper burial without arousing any suspicions about his death.
The thieves, finding the body gone, realize that somebody else must know their secret, and set out to track him down. The first several times they are foiled by Morgiana, who is now a member of Ali Baba's household, but eventually they are able to ascertain the location of Ali Baba's house.
The lead thief pretends to be an oil merchant in need of Ali Baba's hospitality, bringing with him mules loaded with thirty-eight oil jars, one filled with oil, the other thirty-seven with the other thieves (the two missing members were the scouts previously sent to find the house, who were killed for their failure). Once Ali Baba is asleep, the thieves plan to kill him. Again, Morgiana discovers and foils the plan, killing the thirty-seven thieves in their oil jars by pouring boiling oil on them. When their leader comes to rouse his men, he discovers that they are dead, and escapes.
To exact revenge, after some time the lead thief establishes himself as a merchant, befriends Ali Baba's son (who is now in charge of the late Cassim's business), and is invited to dinner at Ali Baba's house. The thief is recognised by Morgiana, who performs a dance with a dagger for the diners and plunges it into the heart of the thief when he is off his guard. Ali Baba is at first angry with Morgiana, but when he finds out the thief tried to kill him, he gave Morgiana her freedom and she marries his son. Thus, the story ends happily for everyone except the forty thieves and Cassim.
The story has its base in a Sudanese saga of king Ali Baba of the Bija tribe (inhabited near Port Sudan). The king refused to pay the taxes to Al-Mutawakkil, the tenth Abbassi caliph in Baghdad. The rebel king sealed all gold mines in the mountains and stopped central officials from going to the whole Red Sea area. Baghdad did send its army in to keep its power upon the vital gold market in the Islamic world (it's believed that Sudan provided more than sixty percent of the Abbassi gold in the pre-crusade era) and within five years it managed to crush the rebellion. Ali Baba, taken to Baghdad, carried all the gold hidden by his men to the caliph. A public display of the great treasure and the defeated king was shown in all important cities in the road to the capital Samarra creating the legend of the caves and the legend of the thieves. In the end, Ali Baba was granted amnesty in Samarra and upon his return he gave gold to the needy in all major towns in the road as a good gesture to the Muslims whom he fought.[citation needed]

Hi,
I always found that adventure really good made... kind of a movie. But when you say Alibaba wasn't a thief you maybe made a little mistake or say that you consider just the original meaning: yes at first he was a woodcutter like you said... but then he found the way to the cave hearing the chief of thieves saying the magic words.

Of course, from a Muslim point of view that's normal cause God want Alibaba hear the words, see the thieves and then bring the gold and other treasures to his home. That's absolutely true and the story is, of course related, to the islamic culture so everything fit like you exposed.

From another point of view (western world), instead, the character of Alibaba, at the end, appears like of someone that become a thief that makes a robbery to other thieves... that's what I'm referring in first post... : the western view of the story is much like presenting alibaba as the best thief (kinda od "prince of thieves")... so it's completely different from the initial meaning of the story.

It's just another example of misunderstanding between western and eastern culture.

Kind regards,
Max

[mosha]

Originally Posted by Max

Hi,
I always found that adventure really good made... kind of a movie. But when you say Alibaba wasn't a thief you maybe made a little mistake or say that you consider just the original meaning: yes at first he was a woodcutter like you said... but then he found the way to the cave hearing the chief of thieves saying the magic words.

Of course, from a Muslim point of view that's normal cause God want Alibaba hear the words, see the thieves and then bring the gold and other treasures to his home. That's absolutely true and the story is, of course related, to the islamic culture so everything fit like you exposed.

From another point of view (western world), instead, the character of Alibaba, at the end, appears like of someone that become a thief that makes a robbery to other thieves... that's what I'm referring in first post... : the western view of the story is much like presenting alibaba as the best thief (kinda od "prince of thieves")... so it's completely different from the initial meaning of the story.

It's just another example of misunderstanding between western and eastern culture.

Kind regards,
Max

So based on western view of story of Robin Hood he is the hero of thief cause he makes a robbery to the riches and give it to the poors?!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by J_Player

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An American who can spell analogue correctly. A rare commodity.

[Max]

Originally Posted by mosha

So based on western view of story of Robin Hood he is the hero of thief cause he makes a robbery to the riches and give it to the poors?!

Hi,
yes right. Robin Hood was another thief too...
Even if intentions were (maybe) good... he was a thief in any case.

When Robin Hood steal money to the riches is for sure a thief... cause nobody gave Robin any legal right of taking that money...we can talk about ethics of that kind of "Robin's welfare program"...but we cannot say he wasn't a thief.

If not so... we'll justify that way people stealing stuff from shopping centers just cause they are poor and start considering riches as thieves.
Seems a new communist manifest!

Only places on this planet where such kind of equation of "rich=thief" were on communist block ...there was an equation like "private property=robbery"... that seems today a humor joke... but that was one pillar of socialism there.

Me, personally, think that the equation of above isn't right... and cannot see a good reason why, even in that contests, there must be a justification of it... for me it was just another mistake of communism thinking that people don't wanna be better than "standard" class.

You can check my words thinking at productivity of the e.g. system of the old Soviet Union... you'll find that parameter was really low... cause people were not motivated or stimulated (by money and social elevation) producing more and better.

But now seems not the case I continue here ... this is not a politics or other kind of forum.... but technical one.

Best regards,
Max

[Fred]

Hi Max,there is a big diference between Alibaba and Robin Hood :the first actually steal to thieves, no just rich people.
They are both thieves anyway, but one may be easier to understand than the other.
Now,and if we assume that stealing from a thief is not really stealing, can we consider we have the right to steal from him? I mean, is the origin of the money important?
regards,
Fred.

[joecoin]

Originally Posted by Fred

Hi Max,there is a big diference between Alibaba and Robin Hood :the first actually steal to thieves, no just rich people.
They are both thieves anyway, but one may be easier to understand than the other.
Now,and if we assume that stealing from a thief is not really stealing, can we consider we have the right to steal from him? I mean, is the origin of the money important?
regards,
Fred.

When you say "they are both thieves anyway", do you mean thieves and rich people?

[Fred]

No ! , i mean Alibaba and Robin Hood

[Max]

Hi,
to me ... a robbery is a robbery...

Even if Robin's intentions were good... he was a thief, I have no dubt about that.

If not... consider now you walk in some suburbs... and people really poor steal everything you have, money, watch, ring etc even pants... will you call police then ?

Or will you make some philosophic thought and then will decide to just go back home naked like a worm... but proud of your thought ?

I think you'll call police... and anyone else will call police.

Fact that people are poor doesn't mean they can steal others money or anything! There are rules... and there are charity services... even with state intervention... but all under rules.

If people start thinking that rules have no meaning at the end we have just anarchy...that's not democracy... but just the law of caos.

Security is one of the most important aspects that a state must provide to citizens. Security is a pillar of democracy.

But now this thread seems an episode of "law and order"

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Crikey!
See how LRLs can affect people's minds and make them go crazy.
Ali Baba, Robin Hood ?? Don't you think you've veered a little bit off piste?

Unless I'm badly mistaken, this thread was about the KM400, and it's outlandish claims. Not about fictitious and fairytale characters.

Anyway - I've found some more gumph ->

Originally Posted by From Future Treasures Company

KM 400 Digital is a transmitter and a receiver at the same time; it is one of the best long range devices because when using it you can get targets from far distances. It is an electronic device which is completely programmed with a great technique that enables it to work in all circumstances and all types of soil; it facilitates the process of searching and hunting gold, silver, jewelry.

This device has never encounter any difficulties or problems till now, it was experienced in many sites all over the world, and it gave high levels of accurate, quick and spontaneous search.:

KM 400 Digital works accurately with 10 mega Hz in searching for gold, silver, diamonds. This device contains easy to use keys with multi features, besides each key contains at least two features.

There are lights that tell you about operating and locking the device automatically and some other characteristics such as determining the distance by which you intend to search, as there is a special button to determine with kilometers for selecting the distance that you want to search them, which varies depending on the distance from (0 to 2 km – (inside the home, small or great distance). The device also contains the characteristic of clarity of vision that is selected by reducing the reindeer. The Autoscan feature gives you the automatic measurement and calibration in relation with the electromagnetic waves that surround the target, and this locates treasures from long distances.

Features and Descriptions:
1-Opertaion key
2-Components Selection Key
3-Distance selection Key
4-LED Visual Signs
5-Voltmeter
6-Target indicator
7- Defining the status of search
8- Defining the target from long distances
9- Receiver of strength and intensity generated by gold, silver and diamonds
10-Power: 9 volts CC
11-Battery term: 30 hours
12-Battery indicator
13-Transmitter frequency: 10 Hz- 10 mega Hz
14-Front range: (search distance) 2000m/2 km
15-Search depth: 10 meters

The two things that confuse me here are:

1. "This device has never encounter any difficulties or problems till now, ..." What does this mean? From this point on it has started to malfunction?
2. "The device also contains the characteristic of clarity of vision that is selected by reducing the reindeer." An example of bio-electronics?

The mind boggles!