getting rid of the rods

i have a mfd long range locator and i like it except for having to use the rods to pick up the signal...is there anyone out there that has a schematic for an electronic device that will pick up the signal...thank you

sorry to break the news to you, but an mfd LRL is really nothing more than a dowsing thing. you would find just as much if you kept a hold of the rods and threw the little mfd box away. since what you are doing with an mfd LRL is dowsing the guys in the know will tell you that you need something called an ideomotor response for the whole thing to work. i suppose someone could build a little electric box to tell you when your hand was tipping or not, but it's just as easy to get the response from the L-rods and a lot cheaper. that's why every mfd that is sold comes with a pair of L-rods. hope you didn't pay too much for the thing.

what is a idoemotor?

best thing I can do is tell you to go read about it.

http://skepdic.com/dowsing.html

there are a bunch of informations on the internet about it.

The whole concept of MFD, and signal lines, is completely bogus, made up by people who wanted to add "technology" to dowsing rods, and sell them for a mighty nice profit.

I call this "wallet mining," and those who practice it are phenomenally more successful than the people they sell to. Read my LRL Q&A for more information.

- Carl

[g-sani]

The dowsers mind is the technology behind the rods.It is many people around that if they were given the right lessons they would be able to dowse succesfully.But you can understand what it could happen then.
If dowsing doesn't exist how can be known to man since ancient time?
It must be some truth out there and my self I well know that but I also understood that they don't want it available for everybody.
It is very close the time that science will accept that dowsing exists and that it works as well.
To come back to our thread now
<getting rid of the rods> is one big step for a dowser.Good ones don't really need them.
Some persons can do it whithout them but they don't want anybody to know.
Why?
All sorts of problems could come up just think about it for a while.
Anyway I can not prove that what I am saying is true but that day will come up shortly for sure and then we will go back remembering what our beliefs were in the past.
Ain't all things for everybody anyway, and that includes me as well.

[Mike(Mont)]

Dell Winders was going to market an electronic receiver several years ago. He says the rods work better due to variable conditions. Vernell Electronics sells a couple different models. They still take lots of practice and are subject to interference. There is no turn-on-and-beep receiver that I know of.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Dell Winders was going to market an electronic receiver several years ago. He says the rods work better due to variable conditions. Vernell Electronics sells a couple different models. They still take lots of practice and are subject to interference. There is no turn-on-and-beep receiver that I know of.

Uhm... with hot glue inside ?

The fact is not a turn-and-go machine it's just cause already found the treasure (in the wallet of customer)! No need to signal anymore!

Are just bunch of components... hot glue... plastic and metal: you'll not find anything good with these... apart a big disappointment, possibly depression ?

Anyway... who buy one,for the purpose they're advertised, is a total fool ... so, expecially cause here people tell all the time that these things don't work, can't work... so you wanna buy anyway !?
OK... then say goodbye to your money and treasure dreams and face up reality!

Kind regards,
Max

[g-sani]

Here is somebody that uses a receiver to get the signal instead of rods.
You can see the receiver on the left handside of the page.

http://www.thortech.org/en/

Mind you sometimes their webpage doesn't open at all.If you are lucky sometime you will go further and be able to open the page under the heading <Instruments> on the left again.There they explain how their Rx works and they are saying that you will be able to go straight on target.
They give specs for both Tx and Rx.
Once we went out treasure hunting with somebody that had a similar device over here in Greece.He told me that it was a cheaper patent of the equipment that thotech make.I was surprised to see that it was working and that was the first time in my life that we found something using an LRL.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by g-sani

The dowsers mind is the technology behind the rods.

In a way, you are quite correct. The rods do absolutely nothing, except detect gravity. The whole "technology" (as you put it) is going on in the mind of the dowser. The ideomotor effect is a "trick of the mind". It's a psychological phenomenon whereby the dowser makes unconscious movements of the hand, and fools the conscious mind into believing there is a relationship between the twitching rod and buried treasure. Many empty holes can be found by this method.

Originally Posted by g-sani

If dowsing doesn't exist how can be known to man since ancient time?

The same reasons why reading palms or tea leaves or animal entrails have fooled people for centuries into believing there is a relationship between these activities and real life, when there is none.

Originally Posted by g-sani

Here is somebody that uses a receiver to get the signal instead of rods.
You can see the receiver on the left handside of the page.

http://www.thortech.org/en/

Mind you sometimes their webpage doesn't open at all.If you are lucky sometime you will go further and be able to open the page under the heading <Instruments> on the left again.There they explain how their Rx works and they are saying that you will be able to go straight on target.
They give specs for both Tx and Rx.
Once we went out treasure hunting with somebody that had a similar device over here in Greece.He told me that it was a cheaper patent of the equipment that thotech make.I was surprised to see that it was working and that was the first time in my life that we found something using an LRL.

This is another attempt to separate the unwary from the contents of their wallets. If you want to waste time reading this nonsense, then try this link -> http://www.thortech.org/en/treasure-instruments.html
They are not even capable of creating a simple html link to the correct webpage. All of their links contain an extra "thortech" in the path. Simply remove it, and you can gain access.

[Mike(Mont)]

An L-rod is a wave guide for your thought energy. More than that it aligns itself with the lines of force. Yes, there is a balance that the user feels when the rod aligns. Whether this is due completely to outside forces (force field), or the user senses the balance and reacts subconsciously, or a combination of the two (most likely) is up for conjecture. But for a non-dowser to state categorically that there is no effect is not accurate. I guess if they say it enough to themself they will believe it.

[Mike(Mont)]

It's common sense that the nervous system picks up a much wider range of frequencies than the five senses. The mind has been programmed to ignore these. The hardest part of dowsing is to still the mind of these programs that limit your awareness. I've been reading a bit about emotions. These are force fields that are not easy to detect scientifically. GSR units can help (galvanic skin response measures skin resistance which is nearly instantaneous).

[Mike(Mont)]

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone, but just hook yourself up to a GSR, pick up an L-rod, and watch the thing skyrocket from your stress level. I learned to dowse with the help of a GSR hooked up to a black box. I've mentioned this many times and I just wonder if anyone here has ever used one for dowsing. I bought a small unit a while back. It has a sensor that straps to the palm of your hand and several LED's and levels. I have found the sensors hard to get just right. Cold or dry hands can be a problem. Some people use a heated glove. There are many different type of stress feedback units available. I think something like this should be mandatory equipment for anyone who is trying to learn. It don't take no Miss Cleo to see some people here need one BADLY. It can't hurt to lower your bloodpressure.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

...Many empty holes can be found by this method...

Not quite, and that´s the problem: actualy what you find is full holes, you have to empty them by yourself !

[Max]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I'm not saying this to belittle anyone, but just hook yourself up to a GSR, pick up an L-rod, and watch the thing skyrocket from your stress level. I learned to dowse with the help of a GSR hooked up to a black box. I've mentioned this many times and I just wonder if anyone here has ever used one for dowsing. I bought a small unit a while back. It has a sensor that straps to the palm of your hand and several LED's and levels. I have found the sensors hard to get just right. Cold or dry hands can be a problem. Some people use a heated glove. There are many different type of stress feedback units available. I think something like this should be mandatory equipment for anyone who is trying to learn. It don't take no Miss Cleo to see some people here need one BADLY. It can't hurt to lower your bloodpressure.

"Some people use a heated glove."



I see... so... at the end, you're disclosing all your secrets here!?

Kinda of outing!

What about your old baseball glove ??? Don't know why...but I'm sure you love it!

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Fred

Not quite, and that´s the problem: actualy what you find is full holes, you have to empty them by yourself !

That's funny!
Another oxymoron? But - which one is it - an empty hole, or a full hole?
I guess it's the "full hole", as this is a contradiction in terms.
The "empty hole" is already empty, by definition. No need for the adjective.

[g-sani]

I am really really happy that Mike(Mont) took over explaining things.
I am sure he knows what he is talking about since I compare things whith what I know myself up to now.The thing whith such issues is to be able to give others to understand and myself I am not that good yet as Mike(Mont) is.
He said that:

......the nervous system picks up a much wider range of frequencies than the five senses. The mind has been programmed to ignore these. The hardest part of dowsing is to still the mind of these programs that limit your awareness. .......

and he also wrote that:

.......there is a balance that the user feels when the rod aligns. Whether this is due completely to outside forces (force field), or the user senses the balance and reacts subconsciously, or a combination of the two (most likely) is up for conjecture. But for a non-dowser to state categorically that there is no effect is not accurate. I guess if they say it enough to themself they will believe it.

All these alone can give answers to what holds most people back from truth and from the way that treasure hunting should be approached.
I admit myself that I have seen holes in many places but I also admit that in such places most of the times if not always the valueables were left behind for dowsers to pick up.
It happened many times and still happening.I don't know if it is the ideomotor efect or whatever anybody wants to call it but I know very well that this way we came up whith finds that were impossible to be made whith any sophisticated or top of the range detector no matter the price tag.

Apart from all that Dowsing is not just using rods to find something and it took me quite some time for myself to understand.
This is only a very small practice of what can be done.

[Fred]

To accept the ideomotor effect as part of the detection process is a genius idea.This way the "principle" of detection can be questionned again (and again) on new basis, so a real explaination (?) will never show up.
Soon someone will claim that gravity is absolutely necessary too ,but in a secret way .

****************
-If it takes 12 minutes to dig a hole, how long would it take to dig half hole?

(This question was part of a Police academy exam.)

[Mike(Mont)]

http://www.iproducts.ws/thoughtstream.htm

If you think about it, treasure hunting and dowsing are near opposites. You tend to get excited with the thought of striking it rich. It's hard to relax when you are at a suspected treasure site. If you are like me, you carry loads of gear at a fast pace. It takes twenty minutes to calm down even without any thoughts of treasure.

The ThoughtStream is not a dowsing device. It is a device to help you control your emotions/stress.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Fred

To accept the ideomotor effect as part of the detection process is a genius idea.This way the "principle" of detection can be questionned again (and again) on new basis, so a real explaination (?) will never show up.
Soon someone will claim that gravity is absolutely necessary too ,but in a secret way .

****************
-If it takes 12 minutes to dig a hole, how long would it take to dig half hole?

(This question was part of a Police academy exam.)

The cubic root of 12 ?

So... about 2 minutes and 20 seconds!

Are you a policeman!?

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by g-sani

I am really really happy that Mike(Mont) took over explaining things.
I am sure he knows what he is talking about .....

Stating that something is "common sense", or "obvious", are ridiculous statements when applied to dowsing. In fact, it is "common sense" that dowsing is a trick of the mind, and "obvious" that Mike (Mont) doesn't know what he's talking about. Get the point?

Originally Posted by g-sani

......the nervous system picks up a much wider range of frequencies than the five senses. The mind has been programmed to ignore these. The hardest part of dowsing is to still the mind of these programs that limit your awareness. .......

You are wrong again. There are only 5 senses, despite what you would like to believe.

Originally Posted by g-sani

.......there is a balance that the user feels when the rod aligns. Whether this is due completely to outside forces (force field), or the user senses the balance and reacts subconsciously, or a combination of the two (most likely) is up for conjecture.

It is neither. The twitching of the rod is all in the mind. There is no "outside force" controlling the rod, and no signal line.

Originally Posted by g-sani

All these alone can give answers to what holds most people back from truth and from the way that treasure hunting should be approached.

Dream on .....

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

To accept the ideomotor effect as part of the detection process is a genius idea.This way the "principle" of detection can be questionned again (and again) on new basis, so a real explaination (?) will never show up.

Hmmmm... Now, this brings up some embarrassing questions...

If all this ideamotor stuff is true, then it must also be true for people who hold the single rods with the coil at the end. Yup, if L-rods work by ideamtor, then metal detectorists must also be subject to the ideamotor principle. Sure, the people with metal detectors sometimes dig empty holes, but this is obviously caused by the detectorist using his thought energy in an improper way so he can't feel the outside forces. But when he feels the balance, then the rod of the metal detector points in the direction of the target. Well, ok... I guess he swings it back and forth, but look at the direction he is walking. Isn't it in the direction of the treasures? Of course it is. If it wasn't, then how would he ever find treasure? It now becomes perfectly clear. The ideamotor principle finds all treasure. Metal detectors and electronic LRLs only pinpoint the target so we don't walk past it.

Want proof? Look here at all the treasure these detectorists found: http://www.findmall.com/list.php?26
You see? These detectorists are finding almost as much treasure as L-rod users. And to think... they all thought it was the detector finding the treasure!

Now detectorists as well as L-rod users can benefit from using a GSR meter to help them learn to align their rods and shafts with the lines of force from the signal line until they feel the balance.

Originally Posted by Fred

Soon someone will claim that gravity is absolutely necessary too ,but in a secret way .

The secret revealed why gravity is necessary:
Gravity is necessary for L-rods as well as for metal detectors. Otherwise it would be too hard to stay attached to the ground while looking for the treasure. You would keep blowing away from where you wanted to walk.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

hi Max,

Originally Posted by Max

The cubic root of 12 ?
So... about 2 minutes and 20 seconds!

Hi Max ,
Don´t forget, that was for policemen,not rocket scientists!
The answer was : "there is no such thing as half a hole"....haha .

Originally Posted by Max

Are you a policeman!?

No! Just electronics...
Regards,
Fred.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by J_Player

The ideamotor principle finds all treasure. Metal detectors and electronic LRLs only pinpoint the target so we don't walk past it.

Originally Posted by J_Player

...You would keep blowing away from where you wanted to walk.Best wishes,J_P

Or, everyone holding a rod would be sucked by "the Force" to the place where the treasure is , so there would be enormous piles of people trying to dig , but each time their showels hit the ground they would be ejected in space...

[Mike(Mont)]

I have stated there is a force field that the rod reacts to. Like when you rub a balloon on your hair and syyrofoam pieces will fly through the air to attach to it. The rod reacts strongest to the edge of the target's field. This is where the polarity changes. It's called the zero point or node and there is a vortex of energy there. I will agree the force field is usually not strong enough to move the rod like it does with styrofoam, but there is a noticalbe force that the dowser can feel. A rod with sticky bearings is going to take more energy or torque to move it and I can see why some failed dowsers would like to believe it is only in their imagination. It may be for them. In fact it is very easy to let your imaginatino fool you into thinking there is a target when there really is none. This is one reason I use my skin as a sensor. A beginner will struggle to hold the rod level and not even realize it is respondind to the target, they hold it back.