Need help identifying old gold dowsing rod

[toys2win]

I've been referred to this group as a place to help identify an old divining rod we have. I have a couple pictures of it and a old magazine article, see post.

If you think you could help, possibly email me and I'll send you the information directly.

Thanks - John

[toys2win]

One post so I can add attachment

[toys2win]

Okay here are the attachments.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by toys2win

Okay here are the attachments.

It looks like a Spanish dip needle from the 1920s to 1930s.

[toys2win]

Does it have any significant value? Also it's apparently filled with gold flakes. Think the gold is real?

[Dedevil]

Yes they are both divining tools. That is as much as i can say as i'm not an antique dealer in diving rods. And yes as crazy as dowsing may seem they both work. Both use electrificaticion as their detection method. Forked one is a basic divining rod with a gold filter. NOTE: I am not sure why but apparently the gold has to be local gold which may have to do with impurities of other gold from other areas. Basically, you use it by holding the two forks with your arms stretched out and hands tight around the two ends with fingers pointing up and in towards your body. Over a gold ore body which is the same as the one in the rod the electrostatic force held in you body will find a path of least resistance to the gold beneath. Crazy but very simple science.

Now the spinning tool would be used and when held out the electostatic charge of your body will cause a spin in the cyilinder and the amount of spin will either tell the depth or the amount of gold beneath you, but ther is no way of telling which one it is signalling to you as a shallow small piece would give the same signal as a deep large piece.

This is where you would use a spring rod to show distance to target.

Would you like to sell the rods?

rgds

[Dedevil]

Here is a pic on how to use the Y rod and another showing a divining set found in a audit from the 1850 gold rush near where i go prospecting.

[Dedevil]

The thing that i find interesting is that this uses a physical filter. I have heard of many divining stories here's a few.

1. A very well know diviner in the country area that i lived was ask to find why the chickens were disappearing. He came to the farm house with a snake skin in one hand and divining rod in the other and divined a 10 ft python underneath the stairs.
He aslo went river fishing with the tail of a fish, to divine if a fish was in a pool or not.

Which is very similar to bible luke 5..? story but has now been edited out.

Also heard of squid fishermen doing the same type of divining with a squid.

The main theory is that you have to hold what you are divining, but this again doesnt hold true. For some people can hold a photo and tell you where things are located and others can hold a photo of a person and tell you where they are.
Bizzare science that may take years to find out how and why.

I think the main question is... If you have two electrified objects trying to slowly discharge what would cause the filtering of the discharge to another object of the same type?
rgds

[Mike(Mont)]

Put a strong magnet up to it and see if the "gold" pulls to it. Probably iron pirate (pyrite). Be careful you don't break the glass when the magnet pulls to it. Or you can unscrew the rod at the ends and pour it out.Then smash it to see if it crumbles.There is a small magnet at the end. Yes, these can work but they are quite awkward. Never used either of those types. Tried a spring rod which did not work on small gold target. I don't suspect these will, either.

[Carl-NC]

John,

This is a Spanish Dip Needle. As far as I've been able to determine, they were first made around 1900, perhaps even 1890's. They were akin to snake oil medicine sold by traveling salesmen -- they were purely a scam.

I own a few of these, including both styles you show. All the ones I've seen are filled with pyrite, not gold. Being a scam, I would not expect to ever see one filled with real gold unless the buyer replaced the pyrite with gold.

Despite what True Believers might say, dowsing doesn't work; it is a mind trick, simple self-deception. Sellers of these devices rely on that trick in their demonstration, usually making for easy persuasion in the absence of rigid testing.

I'd like to read the article if you could send me a higher-res scan.

- Carl

[Dedevil]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Put a strong magnet up to it and see if the "gold" pulls to it. Probably iron pirate (pyrite). Be careful you don't break the glass when the magnet pulls to it. Or you can unscrew the rod at the ends and pour it out.Then smash it to see if it crumbles.There is a small magnet at the end. Yes, these can work but they are quite awkward. Never used either of those types. Tried a spring rod which did not work on small gold target. I don't suspect these will, either.

As this didn't come with a scientific users guide i guess you just dont know what it does or how to use it and just give up in frustration with the conclusion of BLOODY WITCHCRAFT. Take a closer look at the forces involved, there's more to it. As clever as a cut tree branch like a boomerang will fly in a circle straight back to you and hover above your head if built correctly and thrown correctly.
rgds

[Dedevil]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

John,

This is a Spanish Dip Needle. As far as I've been able to determine, they were first made around 1900, perhaps even 1890's. They were akin to snake oil medicine sold by traveling salesmen -- they were purely a scam.

I own a few of these, including both styles you show. All the ones I've seen are filled with pyrite, not gold. Being a scam, I would not expect to ever see one filled with real gold unless the buyer replaced the pyrite with gold.

Despite what True Believers might say, dowsing doesn't work; it is a mind trick, simple self-deception. Sellers of these devices rely on that trick in their demonstration, usually making for easy persuasion in the absence of rigid testing.

I'd like to read the article if you could send me a higher-res scan.

- Carl

Oh come on Carl, are you still stuck on dd coils and writing books about days gone by.
DOWSING WORKS The question is, "how and why"?

The dip needles are a true scientific apparatus. Although as old as the hills they are still working apparatus and not a scam.

Divining water has been around for ages..... AND WORKS as i have scientifically explained in this forum.

But the story of spanish dip needles is huge!

As explained with the divining water stuff, static forces where unknown science when the modern day bible was edited for mass production. But around 1600 - 1800 AD a few scientists started producing theories of electrification. To make the printing job easier again for mass production and also to stop any come back for burning witches the churches classified higher grades of static electrification and gave them the grand name of MAGNETISM. With printing at the forefront of long range money making this new thing called Magnetism sold heaps of books. Around this time a bloke called WIENSTONE developed a circuit called a BRIDGE.

I hate to argue but most references call this a Wheatstone bridge which is wrong.
The term arrises from Wienstone who invented it and i think the name derives from weighing stone. So his name wasn't even Wien just the name given to the scientific device.


It was latter given the name of Wheatstone as the local scales were scaled by the weight of a grain of wheat. e.g. so many grains of wheat = 1 oz of gold.

The interesting thing is that if you forget about electronics and apply static magnetism to a wienstone bridge in a mechanical sence, you get a very clever device for prospecting.


Despite what True Believers might say, dowsing does work; it is not a mind trick, but simple science. Sellers of detectors rely on the trick in their visual input to you of HUGE NUGGETS sitting inches under the surface, instant retirement, usually making for easy persuasion in the absence of rigid testing.

rgds

[Dave J.]

There's another thing that's often called a "Spanish dip needle", a horizontal axis compass used for geophysical exploration; and since it actually works, it has nothing to do with dowsing.

Electronic magnetometry made the dip compass obsolete.

--Dave J.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Dedevil

Divining water has been around for ages..... AND WORKS as i have scientifically explained in this forum.

It works because water is to find practically everywhere under ground, deeper or shallower (a little different from gold).

And there is a lot signs on the surface that mark near the surface underground water (surface flora and fauna, colour intensity of the surface herbs, growth of tree branches, environment geology etc.)

Experienced water-searcher can find water without any dowsing utensils. By knowledge mentioned facts only.

Dowsers found water in the same way, consciously or unconsciously.

There is no magic in "water dowsing". Proven 100 years ago.

[Dedevil]

Originally Posted by WM6

It works because water is to find practically everywhere under ground, deeper or shallower (a little different from gold).

And there is a lot signs on the surface that mark near the surface underground water (surface flora and fauna, colour intensity of the surface herbs, growth of tree branches, environment geology etc.)

Experienced water-searcher can find water without any dowsing utensils. By knowledge mentioned facts only.

Dowsers found water in the same way, consciously or unconsciously.

There is no magic in "water dowsing". Proven 100 years ago.

Yes I agree to a point. I find there is a certain tree that only grows where water is underground in the area that I get gold. But the old creekbed is wide at 13 feet and I have found dowsing signals to water in other places from the tree. These dowsing signals ended up being the drive shafts that the old miners 1850- 1900 put in as they went from vertical shafts to a horizontal shaft at 13 feet along the old creek bed.
I divined the path of the water in these horizontal drives with very good accuracy and mapped them on the surface with a can of paint. So i now have a visual grid on the ground of the area.