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03-15-2011, 05:49 AM
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H3Tec sad testimonial
I finally got to watch Nat Geo's Secret History of Gold. It featured a segment on a fellow who used an early H3 (basically just dowsing rods, plus a little magic box) to look for 80 bars of gold in a cave. As usual, it was another complete failure, with accompanying alibis.
This is, of course, Chuck's #1 testimonial. Personally, I would have chosen one where gold was actually found. 
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03-15-2011, 09:30 AM
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03-17-2011, 02:45 PM
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I'm certainly not here to defend H3TEC. I think their prices are obscene. I have never used one so I don't know. Anyone here tried one? Didn't think so but that never stopped anyone from claiming they kknow all about it. I know someone who bought one and they didn't have much good to say about it, but I don't know if they are skilled enough to use one. I also heard second hand that another person who owns one likes it.
I've said I doubt many of these people who own one really know how to use it. Like the guy in the NatGeo show, I question his skill. A person gets a map and guess what? They are dead-set on the rod pulling to that spot on the map. That's the get-rich-quick fever I preach against. That's the same manic depression syndrome that all the skeptics cannot overcome. So they blame the LRL when it is really their own fault. That's what I mean when I talk about ego problems. Add to that a person who makes their living in the metal detector business and you definitely have a recipe for disaster.
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03-17-2011, 02:53 PM
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03-17-2011, 03:20 PM
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Anyone here think that show was real? They acted like they found those tree markers in front of the camera. Remember they had the guy look it up in his notes? That's most likely BS. They were so sure the gold was in that cave they brought the camera crew with them. That's biased just like every skeptic.
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03-17-2011, 03:28 PM
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03-17-2011, 06:39 PM
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Hey, I've seen the same thing in the LRL business...and they should know better. BTW, why doesn't white's build a cache detector?
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03-17-2011, 07:24 PM
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Cat got your tongue? The correct answer is "There is no money in it. They'd have to charge as much as an LRL."
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03-17-2011, 08:44 PM
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Whose fault is it when an H3Tec fails to find the metal it is claimed to find? How can anyone know anything about H3Tec who did not try one? Everyone who I read about trying an H3Tec locator said they don't work except people associated with the manufacturer. But what else can we learn without actually trying an H3Tec without trying it? A lot. 1. The internal circuitry is fake. It has a circuit board and a proprietary program to locate metals. But the front end and sensors for this circuit are bogus dowsing rods that are not connected in a manner that could deliver a signal. See here and read downward: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...972#post119972 The dowsing rod which is claimed to send out a signal to excite the isotope that is selected is connected to a ground wire, not to a signal wire. Also read the patent. The claims are not the same as what the H3Tec factory propaganda says it does. It appears that H3Tec lied to us about this isotope signal stuff. 2. When the H3Tec people were searching for silver during their demonstration, they were not able to detect Carl's 10 oz silver bar he had in his pocket when he walked in front of them. Nor were they able to locate the silver coins that Tim Williams hid for them to find. The owner of H3Tec told us a lie to explain why the locator failed to detect Carl's bar of silver. He said it was set for a different isotope of silver that is found in coins... not in a silver bar. See here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...7892#post87892 And here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...7935#post87935 Ask any physicist about this. It is either a lie or the owner of H3Tec has no clue about the physics of silver and its isotopes. 3. H3Tec lied when they posted this picture on their website to depict the US military training when they stated "H3 Tec is in the army and on the ground protecting our troops in the Middle East". They also posted information saying "The US Army ordered new and improved H3 for the army in the war theater". These are both lies but they are still posted on the H3Tec main page. Read about it here: http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=375415.0 4. H3Tec lied when they represented their locator as having won the Utah Innovation Award. The attorney for the presenter of this award confirmed they did not win this award. See here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...609#post124609 5. H3Tec lied when they said their detector had to pass double blind tests at for their claims certifications Chemir Labs. Chemir Labs says they do not perform double blind tests. See here: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?p=119622 6. If you watch the National Geographic's "Secret History of Gold" video, you will see that what they printed about their detector locating the gold is also a lie. So far I listed six provable lies H3Tec told to try to fool people into thinking their locator is highly respected and actually detects things. We also have seen the wiring inside the locator which proves they lied about sending out a signal which excites the isotope of the substance you are looking for in a grid up to 10 miles square. This is what we can learn about H3Tec without trying it out. And for $10,000 each plus annual software fees, I would rather conclude they told a pack of lies to promote their fake detector. Maybe I would believe them if they really did a double blind test instead of lying about doing a double blind test. Or maybe if they were able to find the coins that Tim Williams hid for them. Or maybe if they really found the gold that they lied about finding in the National Geographic video. Maybe this is a good piece of equipment for people who like to spend large sums of money to associate with liars. Best wishes, J_P
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03-18-2011, 11:00 AM
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03-18-2011, 01:22 PM
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Dear friends!
if anyone has to set up PDF manual for the handling of this H3Tec device. Thanks in advance! Regards! Zocky-Zocky
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03-18-2011, 03:07 PM
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jp, I told you I am not here to defend H3TEC. Your words mean nothing to me as I consider every skeptic (and even some claimed-to-be proponents) to be unqualified to even discuss LRL's. You really need to get over the holier-than-thou logic thing you have. Here's a book for you "Knowing Your Intuitive Mind".
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03-18-2011, 03:16 PM
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I don't see any other but I assume you are talking about the TDI. I didn't see any large (one meter square or larger) coils for it. How does it compare to the other P.I. cache locators on the market when using the large coils? Not interested in the small coils.
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03-18-2011, 04:34 PM
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I have also used one. It did lock targets, but none turned out to be what we were looking for.
Until I DIG an intended target, it does not "work" Locking a signal is not the same as finding a predetermined target. Way too much money for those results. If they were to say, " split the first 2 large finds and get your deposit back or return it and get your money back" that would be different. Hold your breath on that to happen.
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03-18-2011, 04:46 PM
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03-18-2011, 05:12 PM
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 ... the phrase "horribly confused" come to mind.  Wishful thinking, selective memory and self delusion are products of the "intuitive mind". Try not to let it dominate your life ... or perhaps it's already too late? 
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03-18-2011, 05:27 PM
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I know most all skeptics live by logic--it is their god. Don't get me wrong, I have a very logical mind developed through years of geometry and higher math. I read somewhere those that live by the left brain are severly handicapped. I also read that some people considered to be mentally retarded can dowse. Go figure.
I will make a couple comments about this thread. I've mentioned this before, at treasure shows there is so much electronic interference I doubt any LRL will work. Also there is the fact that at times LRL's just don't work. Some metal detectors won't work, either!!!Some people refuse to accept this fact. As for signal lines, I have my doubts about the H3TEC designers whether they understand what a signal line is. This is the discrimination and it appears to be similar to what is now called Witricity. If I was to use an H3TEC I would set it on the ground and walk around it to find the discriminated signal line--maybe even build my own antenna for it.
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03-18-2011, 06:08 PM
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Q; You are correct. Signal lines do not exist. That is just what we call it. We are looking for the "connection" between similar substances. I can't remember the location of the report that was done on this, but it has to do with the sub-atomic frequency caused by the valence rings.
When you get down to this level, who knows how far it will go? It is a minuscule amount of energy as we perceive it, but can we perceive the energy in a grain of sand? Let it release all of it's energy and see what happens. Remember E=mc2. As one that has taken 2 good hits of spent uranium, I understand atomic and sub-atomic theory pretty well. Our current knowledge is still limited as far as variables at this level ie; vibratory harmonics, magnetic variations, etc. People like Tesla, Keeley, Rife, Reich, have all been poo-hawed, due to dealing with topics that cannot be "seen". Doesn't make it false, just "unseen"
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03-18-2011, 09:07 PM
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03-18-2011, 10:03 PM
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Once again, you are demonstrating your failure to recognize what my words are here for. I never said you were here to defend U3Tec. We can all read how you made that point clear in your first post. Perhaps you should go back and read what was written and maybe understand that I was addressing two statements you made which seem a bit odd to me. (These two statements coming from someone who claims to have a very logical mind developed through years of geometry and higher math). If you scroll back you will see I was addressing these two statements you made: Quote:
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In case you didn't understand it, I offered an alternate opinion to your statement that "people blame the LRL when it is really their own fault". In some cases what you say about blaming the equipment could be true. But there is an overwhelming body of evidence in the case of H3Tec that leads any normal person to believe the thing does not work. A normal person would feel that they are correct if they blamed the H3Tec locator for not finding hidden treasure instead of blaming themselves. H3Tec has been caught telling a long list of lies designed to make it appear their locator actually works, while at the same time, they refuse to actually perform the blind testing they lied about. Any arguments that there is electrical interference at a treasure show is a moot point, because the signal that they claimed was being sent to "excite the selected isotope" was discovered to be connected to a grounded wire, not to a wire with a signal from their circuitry. It does not take high logic to figure out H3Tec has no substantial supporting evidence to suggest their locator can locate anything, especially when it fails every time to locate things that are hidden by someone who is not associated with the manufacturer. The evidence they have turns out to be a pack of lies they posted on their website. So you are not referring to Tim Williams? Why should we exclude him? He was there with Carl-NC hiding silver for the H3Tec people to find. You expect we will ignore the fact that H3Tec failed to find the coins he hid because you say we shouldn't include his testimony? This is getting stupid. No normal minded person will ignore evidence that could cost them $10,000+ to buy non-working treasure finders. What next? ... Should we ignore all the lies that H3Tec got caught with because we haven't actually tried one of their locators?  The evidence of their lies is all over the internet. Read the links in my post to check it out.... http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...147#post125147 I never said anything holier than you did, I only offered a second point of view for people who have not actually tried an H3Tec locator, but have noticed a long trail of lies coming from the manufacturer. My idea is for people who noticed H3Tec lied about a high-tech isotope-exciting signal which was discovered to be a non-signal that was only a grounded wire. My idea is for people who wonder why the owner of H3Tec lied in the Geotech forum, saying silver bars have different silver isotopes than are found in silver coins to explain why his locator doesn't work. My idea is for people who wonder why H3Tec lied about their locator finding gold at the National Geographic presentation. People can read your idea, or my alternate idea and choose which they think is more useful for their purposes. If my words mean nothing to you, then why bother to make replies to them twice? You could simply ignore my meaningless words. Best wishes, J_P
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03-18-2011, 10:59 PM
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I must have been mistaken. By chance have you been involved in atomic weapons or fissionable materials? Are you saying that elements do not have a unique
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03-18-2011, 11:04 PM
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03-18-2011, 11:44 PM
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I also believe that elements can be detected from a long distance by using electronics which can recognize and measure isotopes of the element. In fact this has been done for decades using electronic machines that find a variety of buried metals. And you are correct, the energy from these isotopes is minuscule to the point that the background noise makes it hard for the electronics to see the signal from the isotopes. Yet there are working electronic detectors that can locate gold and other elements from many miles away using gamma spectroscopy methods. Even the best of these electronic instruments has to deal with the background noise and other interfering energy signals, but modern electronics could be used to improve the detection efficiency. But I seriously doubt that H3Tec will ever detect any isotopes for the simple reason that they are using fake electronics. You can see they connected a grounded wire to a dowsing rod, and claimed this is used to send out a signal up to 10 miles that "excites the isotope" that you can select using their software. Read here and down to see there is a single ground wire connected to a dowsing rod... no signal at all: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...972#post119972 How can a grounded dowsing rod compare to a gamma scintillator with its classifying spectroscope in a satellite, or in a portable ground unit? Are we expected to believe that a grounded dowsing rod is "exciting" isotopes in a grid up to 10 miles square? If so, then why would H3Tec claim the isotopes are excited by the signal coming from the locator? Why wouldn't they tell us the truth... that they expect us excite the isotopes for 10 miles by holding holding a grounded dowsing rod? And why would the owner of H3Tec tell us they cannot find silver bars if their locator is set for the isotope found in silver coins? http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...7892#post87892 http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...7935#post87935 This is an outright lie. Silver coins and bars both have the same percent of each silver isotope regardless of how they were manufactured or what they are alloyed with. That excuse cannot work to explain why the locator fails to find silver. I am with you. I think there are undiscovered methods to find buried metals at long range by detecting isotopes. But from what I see, The H3Tec people are living out their Startreck fantasy dream of a treasure tricorder that they expect their customers to finance by buying their grounded dowsing rods. All that other crap on the circuit board appears to be there only to convince people it is really is a tricorder, and is worth a lot of money. Did you ever consider that if you removed the batteries from the H3Tec locator, you would have found the same results as you did with them connected? Best wishes, J_P
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