signal from gold

[Clondike Clad]

Ok let start learning the signal from gold.
FIRST IS RF, IF NOT WHAT IS IT.
THE KEY IS TO DETECT AND SEE IT ON A SCOPE.
We have a Lecroy WaveExpert 100H scope and still no signal from our 999.9 1oz gold bar or our 1.3oz gold and quartz,14k ring STILL NO SIGNAL.
WHAT IS THE SIGNAL?
We must have a signal to detect it
THE KEY IS TO POST HOW TO DETECT THE SIGNAL AND ANYONE CAN ALSO DETECT IT.
WHAT TYPE OF SCOPE, PICKUP, ETC NEEDED TO PICK UP THIS SIGNAL.
I EVEN HAVE AN OLD TUBE 585A TEK SCOPE THAT IS STILL A KILLER SCOPE.
SO NOW WHAT IS THE SIGNAL.
ALL I WANT TO DO IS PICK UP THIS SIGNAL 1 INCH FROM THE GOLD SAMPLES WE HAVE.
Carl is doing this with his hammerhead lll and we can try to do the same.
first step is the signal.

[humhum]

Gold receiver frequency maybe 59000Hz.

Metals frequency list:
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=292&i=1812

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by humhum

Gold receiver frequency maybe 59000Hz.

Metals frequency list:
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=292&i=1812

Bogus.

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by humhum

Gold receiver frequency maybe 59000Hz.

Metals frequency list:
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=292&i=1812

Can't pickup or detect this signal.

At this time we need proof or how to detect it.

Carl gave his input,why did he say the 59k is crap.

How do we detect this 59k or is Carl right and this is crap.

This is a start.
Anymore inputs on the signal type (am,fm,rf,if,optical and etc) and how to detect it.

[Great_Alex]

http://www.royalrife.com/metalfreq.html

METAL FREQUENCIES


This frequency list was researched by Dr. Toshihiko Yayama in Japan. He used the F-Scan with reagents and patients with known metal poisoning.

Frequencies have been rounded to the nearest 100 Hz. To test for metals, a DIRP is done from 30,000-60,000 Hz in 100 Hz steps. The mercury frequency has been confirmed by others. These frequencies are intended for research in detecting the presense of metals. They are not intended for use as treatment. Treatment should include chlorella and other materals as needed.

Arsenic 30400
Aluminum 31900
Beryllium 32700
Vanadium 32800
Titanium 35300
Thallium 36600
Palladium 37700
Lead 38000
Chromium VI 39200
Silver 43300
Mercury 43700
Magnesium 45300
Gallium 45400
Manganese 45700
Tungsten 47500
Lithium 47900
Indium 48300
Tantalum 48900
Rubidium 49200
Molybdenum 49800
Nickel 55200
Zinc 56200
Cobalt 56300
Iridium 57000
Cadmium 57300
Copper 58600
Gold 59000
Osmium 59200
Platinum 59300
Tin 59700

where's the Iron position ?
so , we build a 59000 hz BFO metal detector and it detect only gold nothing else metals , i think the PD is something similar

[humhum]

Regards

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Bogus.

I don't know about this list and I don't made based in it. In particular I made oscillator 50+50 turns wire 0.15 mm in form 10.5 cm wich has best peak with correct capacitor and resonates at 59.5 Khz. I found gold with it and even gold plated buttons war times, century XIX. This not mean that gold resonates at 59...60 Khz, yes the peak in transmittion occurs at 59.5 Khz with the values in wire and capacitor.

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by humhum

Regards

Ok are you tellingus this is the pickup for gold at 59k.
Can you give step by step on using this to pick up the gold signal.
WE NEED 3 PEOPLE TO MAKE AND DETECT THIS SIGNAL.
I WILL TEST THIS PICKUP,now we are getting somewhere with this.

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I don't know about this list and I don't made based in it. In particular I made oscillator 50+50 turns wire 0.15 mm in form 10.5 cm wich has best peak with correct capacitor and resonates at 59.5 Khz. I found gold with it and even gold plated buttons war times, century XIX. This not mean that gold resonates at 59...60 Khz, yes the peak in transmittion occurs at 59.5 Khz with the values in wire and capacitor.

Regards

Esteban

How far and what type of signal?
Esteban as you know I am working hard at this LRL stuff.
BUT AT THIS TIME NOT ONE WILL WORK FOR ME......SO I AM STARTING OVER TO LEARN. SO FAR CARL AND OTHER ARE PROVING RIGHT.
SO I AM LOOKING FOR PROOF.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I don't know about this list and I don't made based in it. In particular I made oscillator 50+50 turns wire 0.15 mm in form 10.5 cm wich has best peak with correct capacitor and resonates at 59.5 Khz. I found gold with it and even gold plated buttons war times, century XIX. This not mean that gold resonates at 59...60 Khz, yes the peak in transmittion occurs at 59.5 Khz with the values in wire and capacitor.

Regards

Esteban

With 0.15 wire you have a low Q!! Maybe this is the reason that you located gold at 59500. If you put 0.30 or 0.40 wire and tune it at 59000 maybe it is better.
If you will find time try it at the place where it is the buried gold ring from the "child"
Regards

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Geo

With 0.15 wire you have a low Q!! Maybe this is the reason that you located gold at 59500. If you put 0.30 or 0.40 wire and tune it at 59000 maybe it is better.
If you will find time try it at the place where it is the buried gold ring from the "child"
Regards

This wire permits me use just low capacitor for small diameter. If I use .30 or .40, must made more big coil for to mantain low tune cap. Prefer small coil with 0.15 wire for small objects.

The child looses the ring playing. Today the child is not the child...

Regards

Esteban

[Great_Alex]

when you searching for lost ring , maybe the signal comes obove your head , watch the tall trees for crow nest, maybe the crows stole your ring

[Theseus]

If only Gold and other metals were actually generating some form of physical signal, this thread (and others like it) would make some sense. Since there are no signals from Gold, the only thing that can be detected by all your gadget circuits is random noise (at random frequencies). Tune to a non-station area of the AM band and you can experience the same stuff.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Theseus

If only Gold and other metals were actually generating some form of physical signal, this thread (and others like it) would make some sense. Since there are no signals from Gold, the only thing that can be detected by all your gadget circuits is random noise (at random frequencies). Tune to a non-station area of the AM band and you can experience the same stuff.

Adjusting with the noise in area, well, the difference is causes by the phenomenom inherent of good conductive metal buried for long time, not only gold.

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Adjusting with the noise in area, well, the difference is causes by the phenomenom inherent of good conductive metal buried for long time, not only gold.

ok what is this AM,FM,IF.OPTIC OR WHAT AMI DETECTING?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

ok what is this AM,FM,IF.OPTIC OR WHAT AMI DETECTING?

I explain what I think it is 1,000 times, will no repeat here. Sorry. I'm tired!

[Fred]

Esteban,
If what you are trying to detect is a local anomaly in the electric field ,but this field is variable by nature, why dont you make 2 detectors,use one as a noise cancelling system ,the other for searching ,and both signals mixed so you only detect the real anomaly?

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I explain what I think it is 1,000 times, will no repeat here. Sorry. I'm tired!

can someone give me some of the post of Esteban explanding the signal please. I need to read or reread them thanks.
Carl do you know some of his post on the signal?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

can someone give me some of the post of Esteban explanding the signal please. I need to read or reread them thanks.
Carl do you know some of his post on the signal?

Click on his name and go to "find all posts from Esteban",
For sure it will keep you occupied for a while....
BTW, could you share results and pictures of your experiments?
you were asking all the time for diagrams and info, so you could build all of them, how it went?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Esteban,
If what you are trying to detect is a local anomaly in the electric field ,but this field is variable by nature, why dont you make 2 detectors,use one as a noise cancelling system ,the other for searching ,and both signals mixed so you only detect the real anomaly?

I wish to made it. Much filters, also poor detection... Saw an old circuit in J. Markus book wich can detect masked signals by noise, and this noise can be more in magnitude than useful signal. This uses a square wave 60 V peak to peak as reference.

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Fred

Click on his name and go to "find all posts from Esteban",
For sure it will keep you occupied for a while....
BTW, could you share results and pictures of your experiments?
you were asking all the time for diagrams and info, so you could build all of them, how it went?

Yes I build some of the circuits and all of them from Carls circuits to others DID NOT WORK FOR ME.
BUT ALL THE METAL DETECTORS ( BFO,IB OR TR,PI )I MADE DID WORK.
FUNNY THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN MAKE THEM WORK(OR SAY IT WORKS) AND OTHERS CAN'T.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I wish to made it. Much filters, also poor detection... Saw an old circuit in J. Markus book wich can detect masked signals by noise, and this noise can be more in magnitude than useful signal. This uses a square wave 60 V peak to peak as reference.

If noise is random,it should cancel itself.You just need to invert one of the outputs ,if you use the opamp idea just reverse it and mix the output , then with both detectors in parallel you should detect nothing, as long as you separate them or point to 90º should begin to see results

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Yes I build some of the circuits and all of them from Carls circuits to others DID NOT WORK FOR ME.
BUT ALL THE METAL DETECTORS ( BFO,IB OR TR,PI )I MADE DID WORK.
FUNNY THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN MAKE THEM WORK(OR SAY IT WORKS) AND OTHERS CAN'T.

Many says they dont work, but among them i dont see (m)any that actually built them.
Actually i am one of the few that did (seriously) , i could find some strange and yet unexplained behaviour. Did you? If i may give you an advice,don´t spend too much time lurking around, or you will have no time left to build and field test them

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

If noise is random,it should cancel itself.You just need to invert one of the outputs ,if you use the opamp idea just reverse it and mix the output , then with both detectors in parallel you should detect nothing, as long as you separate them or point to 90º should begin to see results




Many says they dont work, but among them i dont see (m)any that actually built them.
Actually i am one of the few that did (seriously) , i could find some strange and yet unexplained behaviour. Did you? If i may give you an advice,don´t spend too much time lurking around, or you will have no time left to build and field test them

Fred, maybe you're right...

Also I know in forum many persons can't replicate with success "normal" MD. This is, some scientific devices as MD based in principles known for all.
I will no insist in some things. To make a stable BFO maybe is an "art"...

[J_Player]

Here are some tests you can try that are designed to allow you to pick up a gold signal from long range:

Test 1:

Get a small battery powered radio and a gold coin. Turn on the radio and tune it to a strong station, then bury it along with the coin about 2 inches deep in dry soil. Walk 10 feet away and turn on your LRL. Point it all directions and see if you can find the hidden treasure. If this doesn't work, then turn up the sound on the radio and try again. (This method takes advantage of an audio signal emitted from the location of the buried gold, and radio).

Test 2:

Get a small battery powered AM radio transmitter and a gold coin. Turn on the transmitter and then bury it along with the coin about 2 inches deep in dry soil. Walk 10 feet away and turn on a portable AM radio that uses a coil antenna, and tune it to the same frequency as the transmitter. Try rotating the radio all directions until you find a null position. Continue moving around and rotating the radio to see if you can find the hidden gold coin and transmitter. If you can't find it, try lengthening the transmitter antenna so it reaches near the surface of the ground. If you can find the hidden gold coin, then you may honestly claim that your AM receiver is a treasure locating device because it produced a treasure. (this method takes advantage of the electromagnetic waves sent out from the location of the buried gold, and radio transmitter).

Test 3:

Get a quarter-stick of dynamite and a gold coin. Dig a hole 6 inches deep, then drop in the gold coin and stick of dynamite. Fill the hole until only the top of the dynamite showing. Light the fuse and Walk 100 feet away quickly. Soon you will hear an explosion, and you will see things flying through the air. Now go back to the hole where the gold coin was. If you are lucky it will still be there. If not, then we can see that the amount of energy released from this gold signal is very large. The coin has probably shifted its location. If you can't find the gold coin, Don't worry. Your test was still successful. The signal accurately marked the location where the gold coin was at one time. This is all that is required to prove your LRL works! It has never been necessary to actually recover a treasure when proving your LRL located it. (This method takes advantage of an audio and visual signal emitted from the location of the buried gold and 1/4 stick of dynamite).


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Here are some tests you can try that are designed to allow you to pick up a gold signal from long range:

Test 1:


Test 2:

Get a small battery powered AM radio transmitter and a gold coin. Turn on the transmitter and then bury it along with the coin about 2 inches deep in dry soil. Walk 10 feet away and turn on a portable AM radio that uses a coil antenna, and tune it to the same frequency as the transmitter. Try rotating the radio all directions until you find a null position. Continue moving around and rotating the radio to see if you can find the hidden gold coin and transmitter. If you can't find it, try lengthening the transmitter antenna so it reaches near the surface of the ground. If you can find the hidden gold coin, then you may honestly claim that your AM receiver is a treasure locating device because it produced a treasure. (this method takes advantage of the electromagnetic waves sent out from the location of the buried gold, and radio transmitter).

Test 3:


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I believe that the portable radio will work better with ferrite !!!!!
Regards