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08-31-2008, 06:36 PM
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Rangertell LRL discreditation
 Please be advised that I have purchased and subsequently field trialled a Rangertell Examiner LRL with fantastic results. I acknowledge that the device simply does not work for my friend Faye Flint who has a blood iron problem but it works very very well for me. I can flawlessly locate a half gram nuggett at 50 meters with no problem whatsoever. Micro gold within chips of quartz no problem whatever. Even locating where a coin had been laying half a minute before, residual effect. Before anyone else attempts to discredit this device please take notice of my now aim of providing Rangertell with a full customer appraisal for inclusion on their website in the near future. I believe the internet is being used in a product war between various vendors. I am not gaining any reward or advantage for doing this. Kindest regards John Baryczka hipopp@bigpond.net.au tel: 0351442292
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#2
08-31-2008, 07:32 PM
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LOL Rangertell.
Did you read the Report ? http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/...iner/index.dat All you need for dowsing is a goddamm piece of wire, no fake Electronics.
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08-31-2008, 07:38 PM
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 Why don't you post this stuff in Remote Sensing , uh ? Are you scared ? 
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#4
08-31-2008, 07:58 PM
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That is another good reason for me to stick with real
metal detectors because these type devices it appears the user has to possess special powers and abilities.
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#6
09-01-2008, 01:38 AM
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reply to rangertell criticism
Listen up guys! I am not just a darn idiot sucker who handed over $650 for a device that did not work...i could have got my money back but no way am i parting with my rangertell complete with hewlett packard mathematicians calculator "stuck" on top. I am a retired former technician/technical officer and i just happen to know about these things OK? I got it working for me after considerable messing about with it like resetting the aerial after each button change , had to work out everything myself pretty much cos they did not send me the CD with it till much later. Worked off their user guide onsite and spent hours and hours in a proper technical assessment of the thing. I stand by my word that i can pick up a nugget of 0.6 grams (that i bought on ebay to test it) at 50 meters. Fact! final! No error! My rangertell does not look anything like the one that was tested so you flamers get your facts straight before you slander a perfectly good product. Now having said all that, Ranger recomend you have a metal detector as well to save time locating the target when close up. Avoids using triangulation blah blah blah. A detector goes straight to the spot. Much quicker. But mates I can find a mineralised patch at distance and know what ground to avoid. You guys have to do the hard yards and trudge every square inch of soil to detect thereby wasting 99% of your time. You can argue with Ranger all you like about their productsbut mine WORKS!!!!!! I was sincere enough to leave you my contact details for anyone sincere in thier enquiries regarding its effectiveness as a gold detector. But do not bother thanks, I hate prejudice. A test of a product found wanting by the products opposition, you kidding me right? By the way I live in Patten ST Sale Victoria and am not associated with Rangertell in any way. Cheers....
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#7
09-01-2008, 02:19 AM
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Let someone else hide the gold nugget, without you knowing where.
Then try to find it again. Do you understand what ideomotor effect is ? Do you want us to believe that the latest Ranger Tell is more than a heavy dowsing rod with a Calculator on Top and a do-nothing circuit inside ?
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#8
09-01-2008, 02:28 AM
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answer for rangertell AGAIN!!!!
read my post Mr.unregistered...I stand by my word and have sent Carl an email accepting his offer re the $25000.....regards
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#9
09-01-2008, 03:12 AM
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If it is working so well you must find gold everyday right?
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#10
09-01-2008, 03:30 AM
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rangertell
YES FRED!!!!!!!! i have tons of quartz in my backyard and front garden full of useless micro gold....i show visitors when they come. But i am living in South East australia where it is all quartz reef type gold no nuggetts. I am buying a caravan to go into our "outback" next winter which is the dry season....4000klms from here....to have a go at the real stuff. Regards.
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09-01-2008, 05:38 AM
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I hear you loud and clear. You are saying your modified rangertell will find the hidden nugget from 50 meters. This is great! We have all been waiting for an LRL that can do this. Since you have already contacted Carl to win his $25,000 prize and prove you can find the treasure in a double blind test, we are waiting to see you collect the $25,000. But it is not so hard as you think... you only need to locate the nugget from 3 meters. If you can accurately tell where the hidden nugget is hidden 7 times out of 10 tries, then you win! You will finally put an end to the dispute of whether the rangertell works or not... and you will go home with $25,000 USD! We are all waiting to see you prove Carl wrong. So go for it!  Best wishes, J_P
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#12
09-01-2008, 05:58 AM
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thanks for support rangertell contest
thanks JP for the sensible post. My friend Faye and I have just tried it in our lounge room at about 3 meters picked up the nuggett on the floor fine...shifted it away and the sig was gone restored it and the signal was back no worries. I had faye holding my arm to make sure i wasn't twitching or doing anything different. Carl has just been in contact i will continue this, works well for me. Will keep you all posted...regards john
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#13
09-01-2008, 07:10 AM
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Another thing, you need'nt get upset if someone doubts that this device actually works, I really don't care what others think about the detectors I use, I use what I want to use or what works for me. Think of it this way, if no one else believes this product works and you know it does, then you have a great advantage over others searching for treasure. However if you are a dealer of these devices, I can understand why you would be upset since you would be trying to make money selling them. I've got one good question about these devices, how often do they give a false (positive reaction) and there is nothing of value there? How much of a percent? Is is 10%, 50% or 99%  of the time? I would hate to go out with one of these devices and dig really deep pits when nothing is there.I have heard they are good at locating water underground but beyond that, I have serious doubts.And another thing, with these devices, one has to hold them a certain way and according to the makers, they are very hard to get the technique of using them properly, looks like to me it would be a good way to blame the user if it doesn't work .Finally, if these devices really worked I bet the metal detector manufacturers would have been making them and selling them for the past 50 years .
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09-01-2008, 01:01 PM
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Even with the hydrogen car engines working, there are too much oil companies around and some serious Arab's money to support USA.
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"Should exist injustice and untruths towards working LRLs, I'll show up to debunker the big mouths"
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09-01-2008, 01:15 PM
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answer to steve rangertell LRL
hear you steve...but you guys got to come back a bit with your thinking. The rangertell i bought was at first a great waste of time for me till i learnt how to use it properly. I will be the first to say that i will be buying a conventional metal detector to work with it hand in hand simply cos up close the ranger takes a lot longer to zero in on the target. I went to a victorian goldfield paid for a guide for the day rented the lastest minelab, had the minelab state manager along for company as well. Fay came as well as another gent who lasted fifteen minutes of swinging a detector around. For a days detecting we found zero zilch nothing, but the object of the exercise was for me to become familiar with the latest minelab without having to actually buy one first up. When the others were not looking i pulled the rangertell out and had a go...no signals at all on four large patches we did for the day. These goldfields are only an hour away from a city of 4 million people and the patches have beeen thrashed to death. This is not my idea of looking for gold. I have taken the ranger out the back of where i live to a goldfield ony half an hour away from my small home town. Gladstone Creek. Quartz Reef country with abandoned mines. I get two types of signal with the ranger here. The first is a nuisance it picks up highly mineralised "pipes" at surface. Looks mainly like ironstone. I pick these up at anything up to a mile away, yes, a mile. The other signal i get is every now and then from a single piece of quartz or even multiples of quartz or in one case a whole quartz reef in a mountainside. I have brought the quartz home, crushed it, and the micro gold flashes in the sunlight. Beautiful stuff but entirely uneconomic. I will be back at the gladstone when it warms up a bit to walk the entire length of the creek looking for micro nuggets which were found there in the 1880's. In the meantime i bought a 0.6 gram nuggett on ebay and oh boy oh boy oh boy. I can find this thing pretty much wherever Fay wants to hide it. Not only that but i can find fay walking out of sight in the bush with her gold jewellry on. I played around in the field a bit with the ranger and came to the conclusion it was all about learning to use it properly. Experimented in my loungeroom with a nuggett on the concrete floor with rio in it but had no trouble picking it up. Had to shift my Banjo though was interfering with the signal. OK then, I understand how you guys feel about this thing but it is entirely new in concept and so so sensitive to the target. I can get a signal for a coin or nuggett, take the coin or nuggett away and the signal lingers till it fades away. Man that is sensitive and a plus not a minus. The weather is warming up here and as soon as i can i am off to check its effectiveness at depth but what i want it for mainly is for detecting in rivers and creeks. I have the scuba gear and coup[led up with an underwater EXCALIBUR i reckon i can go over some pretty virginal gold bearing country (in the streams of Tasmania). The ranger makes it quick quick quick to scan patches, if nothing move to the next just like that, no wasting time and going over dirt or river that may have been gone over dozens of times. I have alerted Carl that this is going to cost him $25000 but i have to do this through ranger themselves cos that is the only way carl will pay for the plane trip. Will keep you guys posted. I am just a retired Technician and not connected in any way with ranger other than once they asked for a customer appraisal. I have not done this yet because it is simply too cold here the last few months we are down south. I wanted to do a serious technical/scientific assessment of the thing duly witnessed and presented. It is not rangers fault that the device may or may not work properly for some individuals. Fay cannot get anything out of it at all. Nothing. I have to have the knob on ytop right over to the right nearly off the scale. I believe at this early stage that the ranger has to be setup for each individual because your body becomes part of the aerial. It works superfine for me. Regards john.
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09-01-2008, 01:33 PM
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Hi John,
I would like to ask you if you tried your RT in magnetic island and if it worked ok. By 'working ok', I mean if you still can find your gold nugget where a strong magnetic field is present.
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09-01-2008, 03:12 PM
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What's that magnetic island HUNG ? Maybe you need also the island be magnetic for that LRL to work... so ... you need too few iron on blood...a caravan and sure a paint roller as backup!
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09-01-2008, 06:24 PM
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Say even hipopp mentions false good signals and that these devices don't work for others, hmmm, I rest my case. So John, you have already contacted Carl? I bet he is wringing his hands and is really worried about the money .That's is what we have been lacking about these devices, something more scientific, not taking someones' word that it works, that is all I have seen, which reminds me of Championship Wrestling ...maybe folks from other countries won't know what I am talking about.
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09-01-2008, 06:28 PM
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"Kill for gain or shoot to maim... But we dont need a reason " someone said...
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09-01-2008, 07:14 PM
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I have one of these LRL devices, it's called the Quadro. It has a cheap radio antenna with a pivot point and it has a module that goes in the handle, one for silver and one for gold. Anyway, I have placed a large pile of silver coins on the ground in my yard and couldn't get the device to locate it while I was using the silver module so I decided to wave a silver dollar close to the end of the antenna and it didn't make the antenna move. Wouldn't a near field be stronger than a far field
? Say, aren't all these devices the same, I mean they all do the same thing, having a pivot point that causes movement so they must be the same ?I bet this one is just as good as any other brand, which brand is the best ?Maybe I didn't believe enough that it will work ?Hung, which brand do you have? I bet mine is just as good as yours .How much did yours cost ? I would like to know if I got a good deal on mine.I would sell mine but I can't make any guarantee that it works, I would hate to rip someone off , how can someone be honest that sells these devices?
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#22
09-02-2008, 01:25 AM
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magnetic test rangertell LRL
Hung...i just tried picking up a nuggett at 10 feet in my loungeroom. Half gram nuggett on the floor detects fine. Introduced a strong fridge magnet to near the aerial and all detection of the nuggett stopped, no nugget. Took away the magnet and it took the aerial approx. 30 seconds to lock onto the target again. So yes magnetism affects the rangertell. regards...
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09-02-2008, 01:38 AM
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did you try close your eyes and thow away the nugget, then try to find it with the RT ? That would be interesting.
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#24
09-02-2008, 04:57 AM
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Let's assume, we want to detect a 0.5 gram gold nugget at 50 m distance. We use a PI machine because they are really able to detect small gold. We know, when the current through the coil is high, the detection range will also higher. Doubling the coil current gives us appr. 12% depth increase. For double distance, we need 64 times more coil current.
Let's say, our PI has a coil current of 1 A for the detection depth of 0.5 gramm gold at 10 cm distance. Now the billion dollar question is: How much coil current is necessary to compete with such a LRL detector? Ok, lets make some math: Distance Current 0.1 m, 1 A 0.2 m, 64 A 0.4 m, 4096 A 0.8 m, 262144 A 1.6 m, 16777216 A 3.2 m, 1073741824 A 6.4 m, 68719476736 A 12.8m, 4398046511104 A 25.6m, 281474976710656 A 51.2m, 18014398509481984 A Ok, we need just 18,014,398,509,481,984 A (18e15 A) through the coil. Now, we need additional an array of nuclear reactors to operate our PI detector. Of course, if we are able to solve some trivial problems with very high currents. Ok, this was a joke. Now the truth: LRL can not work.
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09-02-2008, 12:14 PM
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Also, if you place the magnet in a strait line with the gold sample and you pass with the examiner in between, it will tend to point to the magnet. I did hold the magnet in my right hand close to the handle and checked if it could locate the gold sample on the floor. At first, the aerial seemed 'confused' to where to point. Then in the second and third tries, it could locate the target even holding the magnet. This all was done with the original swivel examiner. And the explanations are as follows: The examiner works by aligning its aerial trough the law of charges to the sample in which the input frequency of the element sought acts as a waveguide. This attraction force is very diminute as the device only produces micro volts and currents. The body is a natural charge booster and sometimes, mainly in the evening you will experience a considerable detection power decrease. This seems to be confirmed in all users. The refrigerator magnet even being small produces a strong field which is able to move fast a compass nearby and it's many times more powerful than the lines of force hitting the aerial in the gold sample's case alone. Naturally, the aerial will suffer strong interference and will tend to align to the strongest force around. You will notice that if you have a polarized magnet, the examiner will tend to open or close depending on the pole the magnet is facing the aerial. But then comes the interesting part. After repeated tests several months ago, I noticed that despite of that, after the first temptatives with the magnet present, the examiner started to overcome this and in the second and third tries it could locate the target. The 100% failure rate did not happen, but the average sucess rate with the magnet present was lower. The explanation to this in my view is that my mind/body electromagnetic field started to produce a differential to overcome this. The aerial captured this 'differential' and it could work better to avoid the alien magnetic interference. I later discovered that by pressing a simple key in the examiner helped even more. Carl Moreland used to use this dirty magnet trick to mess up dowsers in his freaky tests. But I know some examiner users and also dowsers who seem to be immune to magnets around and they proceed locating the targets with no problems. They deserve to be a case of deeper studies. If you can go to Magnet Island, please do it and see how the examiner reacts there and if you can locate your gold sample with the strong magnetic fields around you. This is a different aproach from the simple magnet case. It's a real field condition. If you suceed at least once or twice, this will prove that there's a way to make your examiner work in such conditions. Regards.
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