MY new PIC uC ION Detector

[goldfinder]

To all U interested in ION Detectors and potential Long Range Detection of Gold

Well, I finally got my PIC version of an ION detector running smoothly. I tested it with my air ion charger and a ozone generator and the ion detector immediately responds up to 10 feet away. My next step is field tests.

Attached are pictures of the first version which is mounted in a plastic case that I lined with aluminum foil. And the second more professional version in an aluminum case with a pull out antenna. Also, the inside of the detector.

Both versions have the capability to detect electrostatic fields using the meter plugged into the meter port AND to detect ions with a momo headphone plugged into the headphone port. The red button on the right is to reset the baseline at which voltage is detected once the unit warms up in a minute.

If anyone wants a kit I'd put the parts together with a programmed PIC for $80. Plus shipping.

Thanks to all who have contributed to ion schematics. This one is definitely simpler to build thant the IVCONIC or others as the PIC takes the place of a lot of electronics, timing, etc.

Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

To all U interested in ION Detectors and potential Long Range Detection of Gold

Well, I finally got my PIC version of an ION detector running smoothly. I tested it with my air ion charger and a ozone generator and the ion detector immediately responds up to 10 feet away. My next step is field tests.

Attached are pictures of the first version which is mounted in a plastic case that I lined with aluminum foil. And the second more professional version in an aluminum case with a pull out antenna. Also, the inside of the detector.

Both versions have the capability to detect electrostatic fields using the meter plugged into the meter port AND to detect ions with a momo headphone plugged into the headphone port. The red button on the right is to reset the baseline at which voltage is detected once the unit warms up in a minute.

If anyone wants a kit I'd put the parts together with a programmed PIC for $80. Plus shipping.

Thanks to all who have contributed to ion schematics. This one is definitely simpler to build thant the IVCONIC or others as the PIC takes the place of a lot of electronics, timing, etc.

Goldfinder

Can we see the schematic?

[Geo]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

To all U interested in ION Detectors and potential Long Range Detection of Gold

If anyone wants a kit I'd put the parts together with a programmed PIC for $80 . Plus shipping.
This one is definitely simpler to build thant the IVCONIC or others as the PIC takes the place of a lot of electronics, timing, etc.

Goldfinder

Ivconic's Ion Detector is $$$FREE. Why you don't give the schematic at forum to see or to modify it? How do you want someone to give 80$ for an ion detector that don't know if it works :confused: (only a pcb photo)??

[Esteban]

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/iondetector.html


I built it. You must paint with barnish the PCB and use fiberglass type for it. You can build the both type of detector for charges positives and negatives and commutate with a key. Transistorized but very effective. No need the plate to ground for to walk with it.

I make this experience: In an empty fuse put grain of bronze. (Remember that this bronze in grain is equal to hundreds million ohms, because is no perfect contact between the grains.) Now, if you touch with an only pole of a 1.5 volts battery, for example, the negative (ion detector is for negative in this schematic), the led glows. But if you touch with the positive of the battery the weak light of led vanished. Always the led is with weak light. If you use NPN transistors, you'll detect positive ions. Here the "coherer" with bronze grains. This don't stop the charge of a simple battery.

[goldfinder]

Originally Posted by Geo

Ivconic's Ion Detector is $$$FREE. Why you don't give the schematic at forum to see or to modify it? How do you want someone to give 80$ for an ion detector that don't know if it works :confused: (only a pcb photo)??

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The front end (i.e. the analog electronics) is IVCONIC's and it outputs into a PIC micro-controller which I have spent considerable time programming and consider the code proprietary. IVCONIC's will detect both ions and electrostatic fields but there is no way to distinguish them. My PIC does the discrimination.

Goldfinder

[Geo]

Hi Esteban. Did you made field test? Why you used the fuse with grain of bronze ? To change the R1 or only to touch it for the experiment?

[Esteban]

Hi, for to experiment. How can show polarity of a very low voltage battery as 1.5 V touching with an only lead.

[gili]

ok

[sisco]

HI all

I think replace microcontroller with audio amplifier like LM386 is betrer.

what do you think ..

meanwhile : Qiaozhi dont't need fatal attack to me.

I tell I think maybe very simple

ion chamber is really physical problem and in mineoro detector , important

part of device is a ion chamber and my physic lesson very bad so i tell

dont need to theory working.

meanwhile i try make this sensor if work announce to you..

be happy.

thank

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by sisco

meanwhile : Qiaozhi dont't need fatal attack to me.

OK

Please investigate this ion chamber stuff, if you have nothing better to do...

[goldfinder]

The suggestion was to replace the PIC with an audio amplifier. The IVCONIC circuit already has an audio amplifier. The purpose of the PIC is to take the output of the analog detection and discriminate between ions and electrostatic fields. As I mentioned already, IVCONIC circuit does not distinguish between ions and electrostatic fields. My PIC programming does to that.

Goldfinder

[nelson]

Hi Esteban
Can you tell me wich transistors should i use to made this ion detertor, to get positive ions.
I have plans to make a circuit with both detection posibilities ( positive and negative ions)
Regards
Nelson

Originally Posted by Esteban

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/iondetector.html


I built it. You must paint with barnish the PCB and use fiberglass type for it. You can build the both type of detector for charges positives and negatives and commutate with a key. Transistorized but very effective. No need the plate to ground for to walk with it.

I make this experience: In an empty fuse put grain of bronze. (Remember that this bronze in grain is equal to hundreds million ohms, because is no perfect contact between the grains.) Now, if you touch with an only pole of a 1.5 volts battery, for example, the negative (ion detector is for negative in this schematic), the led glows. But if you touch with the positive of the battery the weak light of led vanished. Always the led is with weak light. If you use NPN transistors, you'll detect positive ions. Here the "coherer" with bronze grains. This don't stop the charge of a simple battery.

[Esteban]

Hi Nelson

Use BC547B (NPN) and BC557B (PNP). The original circuit is for negative ions. If you want catch positive replace the PNPs for NPNs and the NPN for PNP. Invert battery, led and meter.

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

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The front end (i.e. the analog electronics) is IVCONIC's and it outputs into a PIC micro-controller which I have spent considerable time programming and consider the code proprietary. IVCONIC's will detect both ions and electrostatic fields but there is no way to distinguish them. My PIC does the discrimination.

Goldfinder

Hi goldfinder,
Could you please explain the advantages of discrimination between ions and electrostatic fields when it comes to treasure detecting?

[epitopios]

what extra news about the antenna , any progress ?
and still no comments about : http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13805
regards , epitopios 73s

[goldfinder]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Hi goldfinder,
Could you please explain the advantages of discrimination between ions and electrostatic fields when it comes to treasure detecting?

Yes, ions are charged particles which some of the LRL folks claim are coming off the buried treasures. When the ions combine in the atmosphere or on the antenna then there is a little burst of energy that the jfet transistor amplifies. I ran some tests and found that these ions bursts/re-combining have a narrow bandwidth (which I don't remember - you can test this using an oscope which is how I found it). The PIC program looks for these micro bursts.

In an electrostatic detection all that is getting detected is a voltage gradient and you don't know if it is simply an efield or an ion burst or whatever. I found that there were all kinds of different electrostatic fields in nature. For example - Lots of bushes and trees have a big electrostatic charge. So that was when I invented the PIC program to detection of ions. I used a PIC 12F675 it has a few A2D channels ideal for this sort of thing, and of course there are timers you can also use to time the ion bursts.

The PIC basically times the pulse created in the circuit and if it within the ion burst time window then it triggers pulses in the ear phones.

I don't know how to make this any clearer but if you don't understand I'll try and explain.
Goldfinder

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

Yes, ions are charged particles which some of the LRL folks claim are coming off the buried treasures. When the ions combine in the atmosphere or on the antenna then there is a little burst of energy that the jfet transistor amplifies. I ran some tests and found that these ions bursts/re-combining have a narrow bandwidth (which I don't remember - you can test this using an oscope which is how I found it). The PIC program looks for these micro bursts.

In an electrostatic detection all that is getting detected is a voltage gradient and you don't know if it is simply an efield or an ion burst or whatever. I found that there were all kinds of different electrostatic fields in nature. For example - Lots of bushes and trees have a big electrostatic charge. So that was when I invented the PIC program to detection of ions. I used a PIC 12F675 it has a few A2D channels ideal for this sort of thing, and of course there are timers you can also use to time the ion bursts.

The PIC basically times the pulse created in the circuit and if it within the ion burst time window then it triggers pulses in the ear phones.

I don't know how to make this any clearer but if you don't understand I'll try and explain.
Goldfinder

Interesting idea ... but I doubt the short pulses have any correlation with long-time buried gold.

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

Yes, ions are charged particles which some of the LRL folks claim are coming off the buried treasures. When the ions combine in the atmosphere or on the antenna then there is a little burst of energy that the jfet transistor amplifies. I ran some tests and found that these ions bursts/re-combining have a narrow bandwidth (which I don't remember - you can test this using an oscope which is how I found it). The PIC program looks for these micro bursts.

In an electrostatic detection all that is getting detected is a voltage gradient and you don't know if it is simply an efield or an ion burst or whatever. I found that there were all kinds of different electrostatic fields in nature. For example - Lots of bushes and trees have a big electrostatic charge. So that was when I invented the PIC program to detection of ions. I used a PIC 12F675 it has a few A2D channels ideal for this sort of thing, and of course there are timers you can also use to time the ion bursts.

The PIC basically times the pulse created in the circuit and if it within the ion burst time window then it triggers pulses in the ear phones.

I don't know how to make this any clearer but if you don't understand I'll try and explain.
Goldfinder

Very very well explained goldfinder and as Qiaozhi said interesting idea.
Thank you very much.

[goldfinder]

Being a retired geezer and interested in lots of far out ideas I built the ion detector since there was all the hoopla about ions being output from long time buried gold. I take the detector with me when I go out treasure hunting or nugget shooting as well as my PI machine, my Tesoro Tejon, and etc. So far nothing. Theoretically, based on orthodox physics, I don't see there will ever be ion detection, but if I get a signal w/ one of the metal detectors I'll flip on the ion detector before digging. That way I can prove to myself if there is anything to it. Orthodox science doesn't have all the answers, in fact, I think we've barely scratched the surface of how this marvelous universe functions. And likely, lots of things we think we know now will turn out wrong in the future.
Goldfinder

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

Being a retired geezer and interested in lots of far out ideas I built the ion detector since there was all the hoopla about ions being output from long time buried gold. I take the detector with me when I go out treasure hunting or nugget shooting as well as my PI machine, my Tesoro Tejon, and etc. So far nothing. Theoretically, based on orthodox physics, I don't see there will ever be ion detection, but if I get a signal w/ one of the metal detectors I'll flip on the ion detector before digging. That way I can prove to myself if there is anything to it. Orthodox science doesn't have all the answers, in fact, I think we've barely scratched the surface of how this marvelous universe functions. And likely, lots of things we think we know now will turn out wrong in the future.
Goldfinder

Hi Goldfinder,
you are located in an area that has some very long time buried gold nuggets.
Have you found any evidence from your ion detector that there is any ionic activity anomaly in the areas where you found buried gold nuggets so far?
Or where you found other long-time buried metals?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

Being a retired geezer and interested in lots of far out ideas I built the ion detector since there was all the hoopla about ions being output from long time buried gold. I take the detector with me when I go out treasure hunting or nugget shooting as well as my PI machine, my Tesoro Tejon, and etc. So far nothing. Theoretically, based on orthodox physics, I don't see there will ever be ion detection, but if I get a signal w/ one of the metal detectors I'll flip on the ion detector before digging. That way I can prove to myself if there is anything to it. Orthodox science doesn't have all the answers, in fact, I think we've barely scratched the surface of how this marvelous universe functions. And likely, lots of things we think we know now will turn out wrong in the future.
Goldfinder

I'm surprised the LRL proponents have not replied to your post to show you the error of your ways.

According to LRL pseudo-science, a conventional metal detector destroys the "phenomenon" surrounding longtime buried gold. So it's no wonder you cannot detect anything with your ion detector. The correct method is to isolate a [fairly large] area with your LRL, and then search it with a [real] metal detector. When you find something (any metal object will do) you extol the virtues of the LRL, and conveniently forget that the Tesoro, etc., were ever involved. And ... voila! ... you have a new LRL believer.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

According to LRL pseudo-science, a conventional metal detector destroys the "phenomenon" surrounding longtime buried gold.

Not only metal detector destroy such phenomena, but negative sense of detectorist (LRL-ist) destroy it too. Proven by mr. Hung and MST (mineoro scientific team) institute as well by RST (rangertell scientific team) institute (and others).

[WM6]

Ionisation characteristic of Gold

[goldfinder]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Goldfinder,
you are located in an area that has some very long time buried gold nuggets.
Have you found any evidence from your ion detector that there is any ionic activity anomaly in the areas where you found buried gold nuggets so far?
Or where you found other long-time buried metals?

Best wishes,
J_P

JP
Always appreciate you best wishes. Just wish they would manifest some Au nugs.

So far no ionizations. Pretty much given it up. Still use the Tesoro though.
Goldfinder

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by goldfinder

Yes, ions are charged particles which some of the LRL folks claim are coming off the buried treasures. When the ions combine in the atmosphere or on the antenna then there is a little burst of energy that the jfet transistor amplifies. I ran some tests and found that these ions bursts/re-combining have a narrow bandwidth (which I don't remember - you can test this using an oscope which is how I found it). The PIC program looks for these micro bursts.

In an electrostatic detection all that is getting detected is a voltage gradient and you don't know if it is simply an efield or an ion burst or whatever. I found that there were all kinds of different electrostatic fields in nature. For example - Lots of bushes and trees have a big electrostatic charge. So that was when I invented the PIC program to detection of ions. I used a PIC 12F675 it has a few A2D channels ideal for this sort of thing, and of course there are timers you can also use to time the ion bursts.

The PIC basically times the pulse created in the circuit and if it within the ion burst time window then it triggers pulses in the ear phones.

I don't know how to make this any clearer but if you don't understand I'll try and explain.
Goldfinder[

... I tested it with my air ion charger and a ozone generator and the ion detector immediately responds up to 10 feet away.

... So far no ionizations. Pretty much given it up. Still use the Tesoro though.

Hi Goldfinder,

Your circuit is very interesting.
It represents the first understandable improvement over the simple static detectors I have seen in this forum.
I have seen other signal processing circuits intended to detect ionic activity by extracting signals from narrow time intervals.
These circuits involved more complicated discrete digital circuitry to filter and process short interval signals, but they were never published here.

I suspected you would not have detected any signs of ionisation from long time buried gold with your ion detector, as you confirmed.
I am wondering how you determined the ion burst time interval to program your PIC to.
From what you posted, I am guessing you may have calibrated it to an air ion generator which produces ozone, or possibly some other source of ions?

Second, I am wondering how you originally discovered that ions will create bursts of pulses within a given time interval.
Is this something you discovered on your own, or is there a printed source you learned this from?

Best wishes,
J_P