Mineoro FG80

[michael]

We ordered the FG80. after receiving and make so many tests by it, I will honestly put all of my experiences(negatives and positives) about it without any exaggeration.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by michael

We ordered the FG80. after receiving and make so many tests by it, I will honestly put all of my experiences(negatives and positives) about it without any exaggeration.

After reading some of the postings by michael, I think the possibilities of any "honest" reporting is slim to none. Just a few are posted below. The exaggeration about other LRLs is evident, why change now.

Originally Posted by michael

.... I can state again that LRLing by frequency injection to ground really works and is not self-deception. MFD concept is a truth. I myself experienced it.

Originally Posted by michael

Here in Middle east situation is high stuffy and we scare of our lives. treasure hunting is really forbidden and intelligent service pursues treasure hunters. I exactly entitle them. here the government even executes THs.

[hung]

I dunno about Michael but after:

1 - I have posted experiences and pictures of findings.

2 - Esteban exaustively has posted pictures and findings

3 - Recent findings made by FG80 were posted


I don't expect anything else from you and others like you, anything different than what you posted above.

The evidences are clear. I honestly DON'T CARE what you think about it. If any other here after all this time still think this is some kind of fraud, I think the only fraud here is their mind against them. Even if they see first hand the detector locating gold 'in loco' they will still doubt it.
That's how some human beings are..

I will post pictures of whatever finding I happen to detect in my expedition just to share with people. Never to try to convince people what in my opinion is a waste of time. LRLs are fact. Long range detecting is fact.
But it's always good to have 'some audience' while we LR detectorists do the work.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

LRLs are fact.

The only "fact" is that they do exist as a physical device with the name of "LRL".
However, the concept of LRLs is completely bogus. It's a trick of the mind.

Originally Posted by hung

Long range detecting is fact.

Errr.... no it's not.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

I honestly DON'T CARE what you think about it.

Of course you do! Why else would you spend so much time here, trying to convince skeptics that they're wrong?

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Of course you do! Why else would you spend so much time here, trying to convince skeptics that they're wrong?

I'm not here to convince skeptics. I'm here to debate the LRL uses and rebate the claims LRLs don't work. I know they do as I happen to own a working one. In this case a Mineoro. Esteban has built LRLs on his own and also knows they work.
'Convincing' is not what I intend nor want to waste my time as already stated. But to 'refute' untrue and incorrect claims. Show me a single post of mine in which I tried to convince someone. You will see that I don't loose my time on it.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I'm not here to convince skeptics. I'm here to debate the LRL uses and rebate the claims LRLs don't work. I know they do as I happen to own a working one. In this case a Mineoro. Esteban has built LRLs on his own and also knows they work.
'Convincing' is not what I intend nor want to waste my time as already stated. But to 'refute' untrue and incorrect claims. Show me a single post of mine in which I tried to convince someone. You will see that I don't loose my time on it.

Well, you don't have to look very far. Nearly all your posts are adverts promoting Mineoro.
The first one I looked at (for instance) was this:

Originally Posted by hung

Today I received this news from Mineoro. Although it happened in 2005, the person only now decided to disclose the information.

This is his message:
FINDING IN JORDAN

2005

It was a jar containing roman gold coins from around 1500 years ago. The jar was broken, 70 m inside the ground, clay soil. Around one hundred pieces of coins. It was at night and they were detected from around 1 m and a half. The coins were spread everywhere and the detector picked them one by one.

The pieces were sold in New York at USD 2,000.oo (twelve thousand dollars a piece) .


Hunter: S.D.S.
Model: PDC210
Depth: 70 cm
Distance: 1.5 M
Hour: At night

There are two more findings made this past week. I will give no details yet until I can confirm them. I will post every finding I happen to encounter and from every one I come to know. They will be evidences and hard facts.
Stand by. Always fun.

"They will be evidences and hard facts."
Hmmm... How is that not trying to convince anyone? :confused:

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

"They will be evidences and hard facts."
Hmmm... How is that not trying to convince anyone? :confused:

...evidences and hard facts TO CONFIRM THE DETECTOR LOCATED WHAT IT'S CLAIMED.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

...evidences and hard facts TO CONFIRM THE DETECTOR LOCATED WHAT IT'S CLAIMED.

So you're not trying to convince anyone then?

[Esteban]

Hey, men, how much long distance (or medium distance) detectors you had built? Can anyone has right opinate about it if never experiment and try it? Is the same case if I opinate about two boxes, for example, and never built one!!!

[michael]

Originally Posted by Jim

After reading some of the postings by michael, I think the possibilities of any "honest" reporting is slim to none. Just a few are posted below. The exaggeration about other LRLs is evident, why change now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by michael
.... I can state again that LRLing by frequency injection to ground really works and is not self-deception. MFD concept is a truth. I myself experienced it.

What's the possibility of your honesty? certainly nil.
Can you share us some of your honest experiences? surely no. why?
cose only sit on chair and run your mind exudings, your personal equations,
what is more higher than theories that mineoro concepts is such a…, mineoro concepts is such that… , is hold in your hand and go to field not ordinary field, not a flat field, rather various type and wild fields.
Yes, those statements are mine, so what? do you every times do your judgments by making so funny alteration and anagrams?
were you hungry that ate the rest of my statements? in every place(here or other forum) I have mentioned that MFDs really work, but have their limitations specially in hard slopes, then we couldn't search most of our places (more than 90%) by not only MFDs, but also MDs.
As we are bored of every kind of detectors, mineoro is our latest try and hope for treasure hunting if it doesn't work, we will completely give up TH.
cose know none of conventional are useful for our purposes.
we presume now have a super-accurate and reliable pinpointer detector which can detect a coin at 20 meters and show it's real shape and sort. so what? again we can't search most of the places here.
What made us more serious to prepare mineoro is some Skeptic inimical opinions that was not based on practical experiences. just some utter prejudicial battles.
why? cose you don't like LRLing or LDLing, cose you don't want to accept it.
you like and do love tell just this : "LRLing is bogus", maybe so that from first you have said this, can't change your idea.
When I surveyed saw :
1- No skeptic has experienced PDC205PH or 210 by his own. just Carl has some notes and that about 205 not 205PH.
(as Esteban stated 205 was useless and 205 PH or 210 are useful.)
2- about new models after 210 (e.g. DC2007, FG7,which some persons have experienced, mineoro has accepted were problematic and
will take them back.( this item is due to Hung statements.)
3- remains the latest models(DC 2008, FG79 & 80); Which one of skeptics has really experienced one of them?
not for 1 hour, at least for 10 hour.
anyway I will post my results, now whether some guys dislike or not. we will take all pics and movies whether some guys dislike or not. those will be for freeborn people without self-interested nets.cose iron nail can't be stud in hard stone.

Originally Posted by Jim

Quote:
Originally Posted by michael
Here in Middle east situation is high stuffy and we scare of our lives. treasure hunting is really forbidden and intelligent service pursues treasure hunters. I exactly entitle them. here the government even executes THs

Yes, So what? do you know yourself what want to say? are you here and know better of here? if yes, benefit us.

[Qiaozhi]

Why would anyone waste time designing a detector to detect ions from longtime buried gold, when gold does not emit ions? - even if it's buried for a million years! :confused:
Unless that person is self-deluded (best case) or perpetrating a scam (worst case).

[Dell Winders]

http://www.thunting.com

If this product actually works, does any opinion of "How it works", really matter. As a Professional Treasure Hunter, I could care less "How a product works". I'm not trying to figure out how I can copy it.

I posted this reference to Mineoro, on THunting.com forums. Dell

"With Thanks to Hung, and his unselfish effort, and the integrity of Mineoro manufacturers to fully honor their product warranty, USA customer Ed Merill, called me and said he received his new model FG-80, today.

Ed, is bringing the latest Mineoro, over to my place for some preliminary testing under Central Florida, conditions, in the morning.

With field reports and opinions posted by actual Mineoro FG-80, customers, Michael, & Ed, using the product in different countries, under different opearating conditions, Thunting.com viewers will have the unique opportunity to evaluate the merits, and limitations of this advertised Gold, remote sensing product, without relying on company advertising claims, or the biased unscientific LRL "quacks like a duck" analysis of a Skeptic.

I look forward to comparing my own field notes on Mineoro, with Hung, and Mineoro FG-80 customers, on this forum. Dell

[ivconic]

"Ivconic, no one here (as me & you)search for buried constructions; walls, monuments,
city, murals,...we just search for precious metals, anywhere it can be. these are good
for archeological surveys and researches, not us. I know by a kind of magnetometer/Gradiometer
(probably GSMP-30) around the Perspolis in Iran found a buried city, but no report of noble
metals..."

Well....i am not part of that story....I am electronic enthusiast...Started to get interested
in metal detectors,started to handmade those,slowly step by step i just enetered in metal
detecting world.....And now it is to late to stop. Kind of "infected" with those for lifetime.
I am not deeply interested in finding any special treasure....although i wouldnt mind if found
some,somewhen....But my primary interest is MD electronics. Later i started to go on the field
to see MD's in real life....Also started to collect some coins,relics and got "infected" with
those too.....numismatics...
But my primary "love"&interest are conventional metal detectors; IB's and PI's....
I am not some prospector, no not at all...
Also interested in remote sensing principles....
So far i have been seen and tested so many devices.....
My experience gives me right to dare to say here that it is not possible to detect one single
coin on greather depth than 50-60cm's with known methods and devices today...
So when somebody claim, that coin could be detectable on few meters and even more depth, than
i do not know what to think; either it is lie, either i havent seen everything yet!
Conventional, "mainstream" science(electronic&physics part), did not claimed and proved
popular "remote sensing" at all. There is no such device yet,with which you can detect single
coin deeper than stated before...
Take any model,type,any manufacturer.....check,test...and you'll see that i am right.
Somebody (i think KT315) claimed that some Anker md can detect coin on 60 cm depth. TO tell
you the truth i doubt that. I am ready to beleive that Anker can detect coin on 60cm "depth"
only by specially prepared conditions, in the air, with sensibillity "busted" to maximum,with
large diammeter coil, far from the ground conditions,hum and any interferences...
But when the very same device you adjust to be stabile for useable working on the real field
than you gonna realize that it can not detect same coin under 40-45cm in the air and some
20-30 cm burried in the ground....
Problem is not in that Anker model,no, not at all. The very simillar results you will gain
with almost every known model on market today. O.K. it can be some minor differences,let's
say some 5-6cm up or down in favour on some better models....but that it is.No any
"revolutionar" differences at all. They (devices) are all very simillar.
Preblem is concept - electromagnetic field, its drawbacks and merits....
But i never wanted deeper detector than some which can find coin on 40-45 cm....
Real differences are in abillity to discriminate with higher rate of accuraacy...That's what
really interesting me....that's what i want to establish. When prospecting on the real field
to know exactly what item i founded without/before digging....

So far it showed that Minelab detectors are most accurate among others....Newer White's models
also....Fisher,Troy.....They all are very close...
But let's back to subject here!

I also had chance to meet some of remote sensing principles so far. But when learning something
new, i always rely on exact science,mostly physics and later electronics. Already established,
tested and many times proven methods and priciples. That's how i approached to remote sensing
subject.

First i visited almost all available internet sites with simillar subject.Also founded some
books. Later i saw what other people are thinking about that.
So, by now i do know a lot of about remote sensing,although i can not say that am expert, but
still i do feel conversant to claim some claims here.
So, there is no way to detect small metalic item (size of a coin, more or less) deeper than
few tenths of centimeteres IN THE GROUND....NO WAY !
No such device yet!
You are free to beleive what ever you want, but sooner or later you gonna realize that my words
are true!
If some people made oposite claims here (like Hung and Esteban)...than i do not know what to say!
I would like to keep an open mind and continue to beleive that i have much more to see and learn
in my life....I do not want to beleive that those claims are false,faked,fabricated and bogus.
Also i noticed phenomena that so many people arround the world (also here arround me) maybe,
and i repaeat "MAYBE" do really have some "unantural" or "extrasence" abilities to sence some
things very remote, using some L-rod, or Odd or some other kind of apparatus.
Those people are not fully awared of those "skills", so always (by the rule) they interpreting
those erroneously.
So i am more ready to beleive that Hung and Esteban do have "skills" and that's how i can
explain their claims that mineoro really works in their hands ( so far no one else made simillar
claims here...)...I am more ready to beleive that, than to think and beleive that Hung and Esteban
are posting lies here and fabricated claims.
Why i do not beleive in mineoro? Very simple! It is not working....period. It is bogus device.
Same as Zahori.....same as ivconic negative ion detector....(although i never claimed that my
device can detect anything else but ions)...
So mineoro,zahori and my experimental ion detector are fakes and bogus for metal detecting.True.
But same as my ion detector can detect ions, also mineoro and zahori are detecting something?
What? Zahori is very sensitive and good to detect ac e.field and therefore very useable in
industry for checking eventual ac leakage....What about mineoro? Yes, it is detecting something,
I am very sure! It is detecting some kind of hum or radio waves or some interferences....
But for sure not what claimed to be!
What mineoro supposed to be, by its manufacturers claims, it is not possible! That kind of
device is not existing yet! And probably never will!
Hung made so many claims about his finds with mineoro...I am ready to beleive that Hung is very
experienced and skilled dowser in whose hands any tool can do the job, even mineoro...
Esteban also...
Next time, Hung, please take with you some rowlock (wooden) on the field and try do dowse with
it...I am sure that you gonna find items same as with mineoro....

Me,myself...i do not have simillar skills....even more...mineoro is not working in my hands at
all. I tried so many times....It is just "beeping" randomly...also odds,rawlocks,L-rods....
So i am stucked to conventional md's for lifetime.... I do not complain so far, trust me!
But i am still standing here with very open mind...only need proofs and personal experiences.
regards

[Qiaozhi]

Hi my friend ivconic,

I wholeheartedly agree.
Except on one small (maybe big??) point - I don't believe in dowsing either. As I've said before, it's all a trick of the mind.

There is no place in physics for either LRLs or dowsing. Both are bogus.
That's why no-one can pass the various challenges (all with large sums of money at stake) using these techniques. The same goes for other so-called psychic phenomemon. They can be a good basis for fictional stories, but that's all they are - complete fiction.

[Dell Winders]

Qiaozhi, I'm sorry to see you think you already know everything there is to know about physics and Earth Science.

Unfortunately, "The door to knowledge & understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudice mind". Dell

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

http://www.thunting.com

If this product actually works, does any opinion of "How it works", really matter. As a Professional Treasure Hunter, I could care less "How a product works". I'm not trying to figure out how I can copy it.

I posted this reference to Mineoro, on THunting.com forums. Dell

"With Thanks to Hung, and his unselfish effort, and the integrity of Mineoro manufacturers to fully honor their product warranty, USA customer Ed Merill, called me and said he received his new model FG-80, today.

Ed, is bringing the latest Mineoro, over to my place for some preliminary testing under Central Florida, conditions, in the morning.

With field reports and opinions posted by actual Mineoro FG-80, customers, Michael, & Ed, using the product in different countries, under different opearating conditions, Thunting.com viewers will have the unique opportunity to evaluate the merits, and limitations of this advertised Gold, remote sensing product, without relying on company advertising claims, or the biased unscientific LRL "quacks like a duck" analysis of a Skeptic.

I look forward to comparing my own field notes on Mineoro, with Hung, and Mineoro FG-80 customers, on this forum. Dell

Hey Dell, glad to know Ed has received his detector. Hope he becomes sucessful in his researching and learns about it to become very experienced.
I'll be soon leaving to an expedition out of state so I might not be here (or at THunting) discussing his and your experiences with the FG80 for some weeks. But I'll be more than happy to do it on my way back when I hope to present some pictures of findings.

[Dell Winders]

I will also be leaving on an out of state Treasure project in November, and hope to be back before Christmas. I'm not looking forward to working in cold weather but a Drilling rig wasn't available to me during the summer.

I'll have the laptop with me and hopefully cell phone reception to monitor the internet.

I wish you the best of success on your venture. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Unfortunately, "The door to knowledge & understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudice mind". Dell

Same old woo-woo rhetoric...

[ivconic]

"...Qiaozhi, I'm sorry to see you think you already know everything there is to know about physics and Earth Science. "


Why not? It is so easy to learn and know,only if you want that!

Everything is so easy to learn and check these days...Now we have internet...In the past it was hard to get some books with knowledge....
Now,if you want something to check and prove, it is so easy...

Also very easy to distinguish between real science and bogus science...
By the way....you are very welcome here to give us some more knowledge, we do not have yet...

[hung]

Originally Posted by ivconic

"...Qiaozhi, I'm sorry to see you think you already know everything there is to know about physics and Earth Science. "


Why not? It is so easy to learn and know,only if you want that!

Everything is so easy to learn and check these days...Now we have internet...In the past it was hard to get some books with knowledge....
Now,if you want something to check and prove, it is so easy...

Also very easy to distinguish between real science and bogus science...
By the way....you are very welcome here to give us some more knowledge, we do not have yet...

The 'Philadelpia Experiment' for instance. Although it was performed in 1943, the scientific comunity still don't know how it was done even today!
Only a small secret party does. Does it become 'bogus science' just because you and part of the world can not understand it? You tell me.

Let me tell you one thing.
About 12 years ago I was in charge of a powerful scientific research team. We had a project based on PX and 'magnetohydrodymanics', our results were so astounding that I CAN GARANTEE TO YOU, a lot of physics tought right IS ACTUALLY WRONG!!!

Sorry, this is not the place to discuss this. This was just to ilustrate how in science, there's much more than meets the eye!

[michael]

Hung, please write about details of your adventure, if don't want to write here, please do favor and e-mail me a summary of that.

Say What???


"About 12 years ago I was in charge of a powerful scientific research team. "

Yes i remebered.....you were there...as a luggage carrier...

Foundation of hot water in Brasil....yes, i remember...!


Nice reason to open another nonsenced thread!
Go for it Hung!

Hung:

"...magnetohydrodymanics'..."

You omited one letter - "a"...so it would be "magnetohydrodymani(a)cs'"!!!
Therefore it can make some sence...
So far as i understood, it will be sort of magnetic-hydro(wet)-maniacs or another
words bunch of maniacs whos are wet due they jumping in a water with magnetics in
their pockets!!!
Luckilly to you,Hung, you were just holding luggage there, so no one involved you in that
mockery...!?!
A brand new sport in Brasil! He!
Yes,it is true...so as i heard on CNBC 12 years ago!
.......well..................
"The 'Philadelpia Experiment' for instance. Although it was performed in 1943, the
scientific comunity still don't know how it was done even today!"
Ha,ha,ha!!! X-files again!?!?
Some people claimed that Nikola Tesla was there also...somewhere in some dark lab!?
I would rather say that Americans always pass guilt on us-Serbs....whenever some
experiment fails! Huh!
But when experiment gives good results than Americans and Serbs...brothers!!!
Since we(Serbs) are "younger brother"...we always get "drub" by "older" one...
That's life....ts,ts,ts...

[Dell Winders]

Thursday, Ed Merill, received his Mineoro FG-80.

Friday, Ed, drove down from Orlando, and we took the Mineoro FG-80, out for a short 3 hour field trial. I can honestly repeat what I said regarding the previous model. IT WORKS!

The FG-80, has more sensitivity and is easier to tune than the previous model. Dell