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Resuming,The coil is needed for the magnetic vector, but it is also used (as a plate) for the electric field detection. Morgan´s PD was somewhat sucesfull (??) because the right ballance, or cancellation has been found between those 2 vectors. The problem is that this kind of detection only works (??) under right atmospheric conditions,and even so aparently not very well, as all involved are, after years, still trying to improve it. regards, Fred. 
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07-18-2008, 10:06 AM
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07-18-2008, 10:46 AM
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If the OMEGA coil is biger than 20 cm diameter,it hapens like the Mineoro DC2008,become very erratic and randomic device,anyway more stable in beach than in mineralized ground,so the biger the coil,more afected by mineralization. More wett the ground,more active the mineralization interference. To avoid such ground conditions because no Faraday shield on coils,Alonso create some mini coil LRL devices who can find coin 1m distance but very stable.
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07-18-2008, 01:24 PM
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First of all, Fred is absolutely correct. For this type of detectors such as PD and the Mineoros, weather DOES make a huge difference. This is exepcted naturally. There's no 'midia' for electrostatics to manifestin humidity. So, no electrostatic or ionic fields. In this scenario, the detection reduces and quits. On the other hand, hot and dry weather, electrostatics manifest at best. Second, the size of loop antenna has nothing to do with instability erratic signals. As long as the right ratio and resonance is achieved among the coils. On the contrary, range will increase. When you report randomic signals happening to your device is because the coils are clearly out of specs. I don't have the time I wished to dedicate to the PD mainly because I have abandoned the aproach of detecting 'fields' emanating from targets due to the drawbacks I explained above. My LRL aproach detects the target itself and not the fields it produces. No mistakes, no weather dependent, nothing to interfere. For the aproach the PD was planned, I think I already have a good performance with it. But I still think I can enhance it even more changing some circuits to double its range keeping the stability. But this aproaoch will have a limit. For this I may have the help of a person here who has made his doctorate in electrostatics and has many inventions on this subject. He is a laureate. By the way I got the info from a technician at Mineoro that the new detector is working really fine. It's detecting everyday, even in high humidity,with perfect pinpointing the gold plate they buried at 2 feet for only 1 month. Since the loop antenna is the standard size as the PDC, it seems they have evolved in the coil configuration.
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07-18-2008, 01:40 PM
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In sea for instance, with salt water, the ionic activity is higher in a sunny day. This 'transporting' happens better. Damasio told me that he found that over the sea, the detection ranges augments about 4 times.
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07-18-2008, 03:17 PM
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I use spiral as plate, but tune, and this work for few meters. I use nude, not closed, and sunny days are very better. Other strange aspect is this: if you're near the target, isn't detectable, but if you go more far is detectable, and more: there is a critic point in wich is very good detectable continuous, this is a distance in wich "resonate". In general I use .1 uf accross the spiral.
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07-18-2008, 03:43 PM
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Nice coil! The fact that you need a capacitor is strange, i could mean you are detecting a viariating signal, not DC one. regards, Fred.
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07-19-2008, 02:15 AM
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Esteban you are more crazy than my compatriot Nikola Tesla!!! Only he was real genius and you? Not proven yet!
What the hell is that coil for!? How many millions of turns!? What is resistance? 4.34 terraoms? And inductance? 2.67 terraH ? For what, the hell, that coil is good? "Energy sucker" maybe? Serouslly doubt, such huge resistances and inductances are presenting huge waste in all possible cases. I guess you saw somewhere on internet some Tesla's lunatic experiment and now playing at home like small child, inovating new charlatanic science!? You will catch NOTHING with that coil! Trust me! You need HV generator to plug in it to make it at least usefull for something. Ha,ha,ha! I can only respect such enormous effort and pain to wound such gigantic coil, even it was totally mismatched from a start. You are worth of any admiration Esteban. Bravo!
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07-19-2008, 02:28 AM
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Am i gonna live long enough to see that? Please hurry up Hung, cose i dont feel very well, might die in next century!  Damasio told me that...this....here...there... AGAIN!? Seems Damasio is great story teller. As long as there are kids to listen...
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07-19-2008, 02:33 AM
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Yes, you're right! I must be crazy for to wind and past turn by turn! Not big coil, maybe 18 cm diam. Previous (some years ago) I made like this but with more gross wire with regular results. No, I don't see in internet, but I think can be better than "normal" coil, who knows! Roberts, this catch the "phenomenon", believe me!  Regards Esteban
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07-19-2008, 11:13 AM
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Only 18cm!? On photo looks much larger!
Ok, than i retreive some of my words. I was fooled with photo. Still it presents huge inductance and resistance. Many parasitic effects will appear on it.
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07-19-2008, 01:52 PM
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Seems to me he wound that coil on top of a CD/DVD holder case bottom piece... the white thing that exit from center let me think so... or maybe it's just another Alonso's invetion there...
 Kind regards, Max
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07-19-2008, 02:31 PM
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The white thing is used in furnitures, and here is for to give a round form to all the coil. Not Alonso's invention, and I think isn't an invention! The form is 15 cm diameter, the center plastic is 0.8 cm and total coil (include the plastic form) is 14.5. So real coil rest 0.8 is 13.7. Quantity of turns is 159. Wire is 0.35 mm. Here the values. I make anotations in the base form! Regards Esteban
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 Esteban you camera is bad or i am blind? Colour of coil holder is almost the same with colour of wire. So i had impresson it was fat,heavy weight coil with several tousands of windings. Also look like large coil. That's why i made such comments in previous post. Very difficult for me now, but i must say that i am sorry because made fun of your work! Hrrrmpfhh!
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07-19-2008, 04:09 PM
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More quality pic you can see here. No posted direct as jpg by limitations in forum, but in zip yes. Regards Esteban
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07-19-2008, 09:41 PM
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and all handmade mjmj
esteban have most patiente what detectoman robert can you make these? mjmj
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07-19-2008, 09:46 PM
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to these esteban, i named acelerator-compresor, ca/non of electrical wave, nikola tesla not build these minucious how esteban, may be tictac yes
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07-20-2008, 01:54 PM
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DETECTORS OF DISTANCE
Esteban HELLO.
CONGRATULATING FOR YOUR MANUFACTURES, THE TRIALS, AND YOUR ART IN THE DETECTORS OF DISTANCE. I WILL REQUEST YOU, IF YOU CAN PROPOSE TO ME, GOOD SCHEMATIC, SO THAT I MANUFACTURE DETECTOR OF DISTANCE. I KNOW VERY WELL, THAT YOU HAVE BIG KNOWLEDGE IN THE DETECTORS OF DISTANCE. IT HELPED WITH YOU I REQUEST. I PAID A LOT OF MONEY AND BOUGHT THE FG80 THE MINEORO. NO RESULTS. I DO NOT WANT TO BUY ONE STILL DETECTOR OF DISTANCE, THAT DOES NOT WORK. I REQUEST YOU A LOT, IT ANSWERED MY, AND I HOPE YOU SEND TO ME SOME GOOD DRAWING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WAIT FOR YOUR ANSWER. email. fmnotes@yahoo.gr
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I get bone MINEORO DC2008 out of warantie,for repair. I open the factory seal,and take some photos from the inner,the front circuit i cant see becouse is glued with the IONIC CHAMBER. Anyway here the photos,i have more with more resolution if someone is interested to see. BTW : I found the problem,is working now. Regards
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