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I conducted several tests, back in the 80s, to determine that "signal lines" were an imaginary entitiy, invented strictly to fool the technically-challenged. "Hope" you can catch up soon. 
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10-02-2010, 04:06 AM
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Best wishes, J_P
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10-02-2010, 11:59 AM
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Have you gathered the "correct" test equipment and scheduled the tests so you can come to an informed decision about Santa Claus and The Tooth Fairy; and until you do, will you be "on the fence about their existence"? Try to remember, the burden of proof is on those making the claims for Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy and Signal Lines. No credible evidence has ever been shown for any of those things, and it is not up to the rest of the world to prove a negative. Plain and simple.
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10-02-2010, 01:33 PM
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Do you really think there are retardeds here? You actually proved nothing. You found nothing about signal lines, specially in the 80's with no right equipment to measure its existence. Well unless you were using one of Raudive's Spiricom...  Let's talk about 1981. What kind of equipment in existence at the time, could be used to measure or display any signals when the gifted children in the Telekinetics experiment in China, teleported the objects from one place to another employing quantum psi waves, other than cameras and radio receivers to confirm the teleportation? Time goes, time returns... Still no inteligent life signals from skepthics here.
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10-02-2010, 02:36 PM
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Time goes and time returns, and still Hung produces no valid evidence for his claims. "Signal Lines" are nothing more than a concoction of lies from LRL/MFD salesmen like yourself. Your time has come and gone... and still you remain empty-handed in your little pseudo-scientific world. What a waste.
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#681
10-02-2010, 02:50 PM
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You failed to describe the test you made to prove signal lines don't exist. If you recall, I asked "...How scientific was your test? What did you use for a control? ..." I also asked to see a detailed report of the test you performed that proved signal lines are imaginary. If the burden of proof is on a person making a claim, then let's see your proof. Or is it possible you never ran any scientific tests to prove what you are claiming? Could this be simply more made up BS you are using to try to waste other people's time, or bully them into doing scientific testing that you never did? Best wishes, J_P
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10-02-2010, 02:58 PM
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Sooooo.... you do believe in Santa Claus and the The Tooth Fairy.
 (I'm not surprised)Do you also work for Hung and R-T on a commission basis? Might I remind you; some of the truth in this world is self-evident and really doesn't require buying test equipment and rearranging your busy schedule to test for it.
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10-02-2010, 03:00 PM
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That's one of your best!No comment needed.
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10-02-2010, 03:39 PM
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Second, I state again that your limited knowledge of science do not allow you to acknowledge what is happening and has already happened out there in terms of scientific events and due to that I know for a fact that you have never performed any tests on this subject simply because you have not or had not any realiable way to confirm or not a scientific observation. So, stop being ridiculous. Pal, I do not have the time nor feel like wasting my precious one arguing with types as yourself and also your skepthics peers here. I am quite right you don't have the slightest idea of what I am talking about regarding the experiment performed in China. So, before you write more BS on an alien subject to you, here's your chance to read about it and at least have a chance to write BS on something that you became aware before you get a punch right between your eyes from facts themselves. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,327684.0.html Take your time to read. And then, please don't say you were not allowed the chance to free yourself from darkness later.
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10-02-2010, 03:40 PM
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If you are capable of reading what was claimed, you can see your inquisition was on the topic of "signal lines" for which I said "I don't know" if they are being radiated or returned because I don't have the correct equipment to measure them. However, you said you did test them and arrived at a determination to make a definite statement of fact about signal lines: Statements you made: "That claim is what I contend IS NOT HAPPENING, and if you think there is a possibility it could be happening (as claimed) you are sorely mistaken..." Tests you said you made that prove your statement of fact: "I conducted several tests, back in the 80s, to determine that "signal lines" were an imaginary entitiy". As you stated, the burden of proof lies with a person making a claim. So where is your proof? You failed at the second request to prove your claims. There are plenty of skeptics and LRL enthusiasts who would like to see the data from the tests you conducted that show definitive prove signal lines are an imaginary entity. So I ask again: How scientific was your test? What did you use for a control? Let's see a detailed report that shows your proof so we can also read the data to determine whether signal lines are an imaginary entity or not. Or is is possible you never really made any scientific tests? Are you simply making up tests you never performed like some LRL enthusiasts are reputed to do? Shall we presume your claims are fake, and you really did not perform any tests to support them? Best wishes, J_P
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10-02-2010, 04:04 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lad...much,_methinks. Couldn't resist it! Regarding the so-called "signal lines", you can get the real story here: http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/page...rl_qa.dat&zoom
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10-02-2010, 04:40 PM
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From the reference you gave, it clearly states why they aren't real. Q: Why do people believe signal lines exist? A: MFDs are dowsing devices. As such, people who use them often experience the "dowsing response", which is usually a sensation that the device (or rods) is doing something on its own, such as moving or hesitating. Even though the real source of this sensation comes from the movement of the user's own hand, people assume that it is caused by an external influence. The appearance that the MFD responds as if there is an external influence, has manifested itself into a belief that the MFD is responding to an external influence. The belief of choice is the signal line. Even if I had the time to scan and post all of my data and test protocol details, it would not be convincing to J_P. (and I don't have the time) He'd rather keep running around in proverbial circles, looking for the proper test equipment, locating volunteers, questioning the validity of his sample Examiner... and all other manner of stall tactics. Why? I've asked myself. Is he that afraid of the outcome, such that avoiding the test altogether precludes ever having to face the reality of actually making a decision... and taking a firm stance. Must be terribly uncomfortable, always straddling the fence he is perched on.
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10-02-2010, 04:46 PM
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I agree. I have the same general opinion about signal lines as most metal detectorists have until someone can demonstrate otherwise. And now we finally have a forum member who says he actually performed tests to prove they are imaginary. He keeps protesting to drag Santa and tooth fairies into his inquisition, yet he cannot simply show the data from his alleged tests to prove his claims of testing. Isn't this valuable skeptic information that any skeptic would be anxious to show? He still continues to make excuses for why he can't show his test data. He uses the same methods as LRL promoters use to evade backing up his claims of testing. So far, my opinion is he is he did no testing, and he will protest any request to prove he did. But regardless of whether Theseus made up stories about his testing or not, I still won't spend any money to buy a gizmo that finds treasure from signal lines unless I can see it actually working to find hidden treasures first.  Best wishes, J_P
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10-03-2010, 01:45 PM
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It's not that I don't have the data, it's located in a collection of notes, yellow-grid engineering paper and small spiral notebooks. I simply do not have the desire or the time to dig into the source, rent time on a scanner and try to place it on a public forum. Not to mention the fact; I already know ahead of time, you would not be satisfied by it anyway since it is my data and you did not observe it being recorded. I guess you'll just have to believe my data on faith. After all, if you are a theist, you believe and accept your beliefs on blind faith - so I guess that's what you'll have to do here, in regards to my test results and conclusions. 
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10-03-2010, 06:56 PM
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How scientific was your test? What did you use for a control? Let's see a detailed report that shows your proof so we can also read the data to determine whether signal lines are an imaginary entity or not. No scanning is necessary, simply tell us how the test was conducted, what protocol, what controls, and the data from the results. Just type in the answers so we can see how your test proved that signal lines are imaginary. Then we can all know for sure instead of relying on hearsay and logical arguments that had no testing to support it. If this was a scientific test, then we skeptics will finally have indisputable proof when we tell people signal lines don't exist. It does not need to satisfy me, as long as the proof is there. Any skeptic will easily accept your scientific test that proves signal lines are imaginary. Some LRL enthusiasts may change their views on "signal lines" after reading tour test report, and a lot of undecided treasure hunters could become convinced. And I will be happy to admit I was wrong to think you did not conduct any test. My guess is you cannot tell us what protocol, controls and data because there was no protocol, controls, data, or test made at all. The brings to mind the time when hung insisted he made tests to find a signal from the Rangertell calculator, but after Carl-NC pointed out it is obvious he did not, he quickly got a cheap voltmeter and took some measurements so people wouldn't think he just made up the story of how he actually ran tests. If you really did make tests that proved the signal line is imaginary, then I am surprised you never published the results to support your argument. This is the only information that can validate your claims that you ran tests. Yet you are still making excuses why you cannot disclose the details of this test. Shall we presume you never conducted this test, or do you actually have details you could describe? Best wishes, J_P
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Can you describe to me the type and content of the data you would accept (from outside sources you did not observe) as valid and would cause you to believe "signal lines" do not exist in the real world?
When you can do that, I'll have a better idea of what I should take the time to place on here, or any open forum.
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10-03-2010, 07:37 PM
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But to satisfy me, it is easier. I will concede that you actually ran tests if you simply post the information, regardless of whether Carl-NC accepts it as scientific proof. My argument is you did not show evidence of testing, so if you show the details as described above, I would be happy to admit I was wrong. Best wishes, J_P
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another "straw man" you've knocked down. Do you think I was born yesterday (rhetorical).The question I asked you was NOT what I could post that would prove I ran the tests. I specifically asked; "Can you describe the type and content of the data you would accept (from outside sources you did not observe) as valid and would cause you to believe "signal lines" do not exist in the real world?" Quite obviously you didn't like that question; but in putting up your "straw man" you gave me my answer anyway. Thank you.
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Way to go Hung!
Great that you posted a tiny fraction of the data that proves many of these advanced psychotronics discoveries made in the last 50 years.
I myself ran some test on signal lines. A friend of mine is a very good clairvoyant and can see interdimensionally. I used to work for a human factors testing company, know all the rules and scientific methods so I know what I am doing. I have proved that the clairvoyant is in fact for real. One of my LRL transmitters was set up to transmit the gold frequency. A couple of gold coins were place in the yard about 50 feet away. The clairvoyant knew nothing of what was to happen. I ask the clairvoyant to look on the inner level and tell me what he saw. He described a stream of energy going between the LRL transmitter and the gold. When I turned the xmitr off he said the energy line vanished after about 1 minute. It slowly died down to nothing. Then I walked between the xmitr and the gold with the xmitr on, a signal line established, and the clairvoyant said that my walking through the energy line between the LRL xmitr and the gold was broken up. He said that the line would reestablish after the xmitr had been running about a minute after I walked through it. These test were repeated with silver and other metals and they all had the same result. I myself can feel the energy lines. Extensive testing with various types of sensitive electronic equipment and special equipment that I developed to detect the energy lines also proved positive. No I am not going to disclose these! What was most disconcerting was the fact that we could not create the signal lines with the LRL xmitr and samples after the sun had gotten very high (after 9am and before 4 pm). So searching for treasure was restricted to early morning and late afternoon hours or at night. Also, I did these types of tests at different times of the year and over several years. During the high sun spot cycles it was nigh impossible to establish an LRL signal line at any time as the sun increased activity would wipe out any signal lines or never let them be established. There is a good reason for this! Just a word on skeptics - this is a religion with them. Just like liberalism is a religion and no matter how much proof you go through will ever convince them. So lets those of us who want to work on these things ignore them They are mentally sick and incapable of operating in a higher level mode of though! They need help so lets all just God Bless them All. Best Regards, Goldfinder
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The tests you have presented cannot be described as "scientific". There is no suggestion that you carried out any double-blind testing whatsoever, and therefore your conclusions are purely subjective in nature. In this case they are subject to the usual errors in judgment caused by self-delusion and selective memory. Any conclusions can be unintentionally biased by the human unconscious mind unless double-blind testing is used, especially where the tester has a preconceived idea of the expected result.
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 If revealing scams and telling the truth about dowsing and LRL contraptions is a sickness; I admit to being infected with the malady.
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I too, have employed already methods that corroborate what you found, and... just like yourself, no disclosing. Specially here. Thanks for the compliments. My goal in posting all the information about that scientific experiment in China was to shut the skeptics mouth up in that forum regarding the HUGE BS they became used to pronounce, blasfeming science and giving it a bad name. Ignorant people are everywhere, but the worst thing to meet is some ignorant with bad intention. That post with the published research had the impact of a megaton in their heads. It was like a complete bowling strike with just one ball. After that, they fell apart and became aware that scientific phenomena might be much deeper than their limited minds may think of. Keep evolving Goldfinder and God bless you too. Steping into the light is one true personal conquest. All the best.
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Are you are concealing the truth of your alleged signal line tests, or you just plain didn't perform any tests as I suspected? The reason you gave is "I simply do not have the desire or the time...". It appears obvious you are not willing to tell the truth about your testing (or lack of testing) of signal lines. No evidence to show whatsoever -- not even a brief description off the top of your head of the protocol and controls? How much time would that take? Are we hearing the same old "straw man" excuses like LRL promoters use to evade admitting you have no test data because you did not perform any tests? Hmmm... Maybe you don't want to talk about the details of your alleged test because it was conducted using a protocol similar to goldfinder's tests? Or maybe you just plain made up the story of conducting signal line tests. Perhaps you should join hung for the forum title of fake tests or no tests? Best wishes, J_P
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