Testing Crypton OBMD-1

[MIJ]

Qiaozhi

I note your comment about my Ranger Tell that I mentioned in my post but it happens? I can’t explain why?

I think you understand me when I say that the RT some times works for me, but out in field test it gets completely confused and over whelmed by false signal lines.

I would hardly poke fun at the device “as in my post Unbelievable Rare Find with my RT E” if I thought that it worked properly and consistently.

J P
I bought my Examiner in 2006 and it was the just called the Ranger Tell Examiner, I give a brief mention using it in my very first thread I posted hear http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18267

I would be happy to discuss the RT unit but I think we should do it in the LRL section or we will get a slap on the bum.

[MIJ]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here.
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0Ks...&feature=g-upl

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.

Hi g-sani,

Just wondered if you have been out in the fields to do any more testing with your Crypton?


Regards

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by MIJ

Hi g-sani,

Just wondered if you have been out in the fields to do any more testing with your Crypton?


Regards

Hi MIJ,
No I haven't been anywhere yet because everything is covered in snow for the last two months.It is not actually snowing but the temperature is very low. Day time max 7 Celcius and night time below zero. I think it is going to be a couple of months until I get out in the field.

Regards
g-sani

[MIJ]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Hi MIJ,
No I haven't been anywhere yet because everything is covered in snow for the last two months.It is not actually snowing but the temperature is very low. Day time max 7 Celcius and night time below zero. I think it is going to be a couple of months until I get out in the field.

Regards
g-sani

Wow I didn’t think you have had snow, it been quite good weather hear, I suppose we have to take what’s sent down to us from above.

Anyway good luck for your future searches

Regards

[MIJ]

Any more news on Testing Crypton OBMD-1

I found this link it’s about 2months old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7De8vu16qWk&feature=plcp

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by MIJ

Any more news on Testing Crypton OBMD-1

I found this link it’s about 2months old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7De8vu16qWk&feature=plcp

Here's the website ->
http://www.crypton.com.gr/ (in Greek)
http://www.crypton.com.gr/crypton.html (in English)
The designer is Andreas Christi.

[MIJ]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Here's the website ->
http://www.crypton.com.gr/ (in Greek)
http://www.crypton.com.gr/crypton.html (in English)
The designer is Andreas Christi.

Thanks Qiaozhi
This must be a new website.

I hade the link to the first website where I had made inquires to Andreas about the Crypton.

The last news from him was that they where making more tests in different country’s over the winter months to see how the Crypton preformed.

I presume that the tests where good then?

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by MIJ

Thanks Qiaozhi
This must be a new website.

I hade the link to the first website where I had made inquires to Andreas about the Crypton.

The last news from him was that they where making more tests in different country’s over the winter months to see how the Crypton preformed.

I presume that the tests where good then?

Hi Mij

the Crypton is in field tests together with one PDK-2,in Mexico,i hope Hugo will tell us more about the Crypton.

i´m happy that Hugo found one silver ring with his PDK .

[MIJ]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Hi Mij

the Crypton is in field tests together with one PDK-2,in Mexico,i hope Hugo will tell us more about the Crypton.

i´m happy that Hugo found one silver ring with his PDK .

Hi Morgan,

That’s good news about the Silver Ring found with the PDK.

I hope that more good finds will come.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by MIJ

Hi Morgan,

That’s good news about the Silver Ring found with the PDK.

I hope that more good finds will come.

There are a lot of founds in Greece,but people are afraid to post here about that.
anyway it will be interesting to explain about depths and distances.
And most of people who was looking for WWII gold become surprised to pick muck more old old objects...

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Morgan

There are a lot of founds in Greece,but people are afraid to post here about that.
anyway it will be interesting to explain about depths and distances.
And most of people who was looking for WWII gold become surprised to pick muck more old old objects...

The signal at Greece is very low compared with the signal at Portugal.
I worked with 2 PDK constructed by you but no good results. They was the same with mine, not clear beeps as at your videos or at MIJ video.

Regards

[Funfinder]

> The signal at Greece is very low compared with the signal at Portugal.

Great, so the very critical and high-complicated fine tuning was for nothing...

Vice Versa this will mean that a Greece-tuned detector will have either very low or far too high signal level in Portugal.

And you can't make it universal-adjustable without knowing the reason why or in other words - what energy really gets detected.

That's why it's so important to find out the principle behind!


Compare it with a TV that doesn't work anymore.
The repair service first has to find out the failure,
otherwise you can throw away that TV-set.

Its one of the very first and basic principles of electronics:
First you need to know WHY and HOW it works,
next you can built something reliable working with this technique.

Otherwise you are poking around in the dark.





13 months later and Crypton Minis for sale now - any new results?

[g-sani]

I believe that if we could have less frequencies in the air the result would be completely different for LRLs like that.
Probably Morgan could come over to Greece sometime and try and adjust his PDK for the conditions over here.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by g-sani

I believe that if we could have less frequencies in the air the result would be completely different for LRLs like that.
Probably Morgan could come over to Greece sometime and try and adjust his PDK for the conditions over here.

Hi

the PDK-2.1 was already adjusted to Greece,i made a few adjusts in the circuits and a new coil.

I receive very positive emails about performance and finds,and many people want to buy PDKs but I realy dont have the free time to build this LRLs...

The VHF problem was solved with better transistors and changes in RX coil,this way no need VHF transmitters in the area.


Regards

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Hi

the PDK-2.1 was already adjusted to Greece,i made a few adjusts in the circuits and a new coil.

I receive very positive emails about performance and finds,and many people want to buy PDKs but I realy dont have the free time to build this LRLs...

The VHF problem was solved with better transistors and changes in RX coil,this way no need VHF transmitters in the area.


Regards

I see Morgan.
I realised that Crypton works best after it gets dark and the difference is dramatic.What do you think happens in this case?

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

> The signal at Greece is very low compared with the signal at Portugal.

Great, so the very critical and high-complicated fine tuning was for nothing...

Vice Versa this will mean that a Greece-tuned detector will have either very low or far too high signal level in Portugal.

And you can't make it universal-adjustable without knowing the reason why or in other words - what energy really gets detected.

That's why it's so important to find out the principle behind!


Compare it with a TV that doesn't work anymore.
The repair service first has to find out the failure,
otherwise you can throw away that TV-set.

Its one of the very first and basic principles of electronics:
First you need to know WHY and HOW it works,
next you can built something reliable working with this technique.

Otherwise you are poking around in the dark.





13 months later and Crypton Minis for sale now - any new results?

Hi

as I remember ,Geo recently made a new thread somewere,telling about a friend who found silver coins with new PDK-2.1,i supose the new PDK with more power. So the PDKs tested by Geo was the previous models(not so powerfull) who are working using the VHF electromagnetic waves from the TV transmitters in the area,anyway this previous PDKs can pick very easy gold or silver objects size of soda can 33cl whitout any VHF transmitter in the area,and if very well calibrated is posible to locate single coin too.

The sucess with PDKs on finding small objects depends on the operator skill to adjust the FINE TUNING,this is realy very dificult for some and easy for others with more experience.It is possible to build the PDK with good voltage regulator to make it very stable and avoid the time to time calibrations,however this construction is dificult ,more expensive and the PDK need more battery,as result it become heavy to work.
the PDK-2.1 is weight less than 1 kg


Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by g-sani

I see Morgan.
I realised that Crypton works best after it gets dark and the difference is dramatic.What do you think happens in this case?

well,maybe the Crypton have interference with the day light ?

maybe the Crypton works with some INFRARED system ? and the day light confuse the device.

or many other possibilities...

[Funfinder]

Originally Posted by g-sani

I see Morgan.
I realised that Crypton works best after it gets dark and the difference is dramatic.What do you think happens in this case?

OH what a coincidence !!!


The AM and short wave radio stations also have a much better signal
starting in the evening til the morning. The reason for this phenomenon
is the reflecting ionosphere! Another coincidence!


LW (153kHz - 279kHz)
AM (531kHz - 1611kHz)


This correlates even somehow to the Morgans VHF claims.

Especially in the autumn time you can get VHF over-wide-ranges,
any ham and amateur-radio person can tell you this.

The AM ground wave is direct, the space-wave is ionosphere reflected.

The main reflection effect the ionosphere has is from 500kHz - 50 MHz.


Longwave from 50kHz - 200kHz is little affected by the ionosphere
and has therefore little field-strenth-difference day VS. night-time.

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

OH what a coincidence !!!


The AM and short wave radio stations also have a much better signal
starting in the evening til the morning. The reason for this phenomenon
is the reflecting ionosphere! Another coincidence!


LW (153kHz - 279kHz)
AM (531kHz - 1611kHz)


This correlates even somehow to the Morgans VHF claims.

Especially in the autumn time you can get VHF over-wide-ranges,
any ham and amateur-radio person can tell you this.

The AM ground wave is direct, the space-wave is ionosphere reflected.

The main reflection effect the ionosphere has is from 500kHz - 50 MHz.


Longwave from 50kHz - 200kHz is little affected by the ionosphere
and has therefore little field-strenth-difference day VS. night-time.

I experimented while it was summer in Greece and the best time to use Crypton was definatelly in the evening.While detecting on the same place beeps were always less than daytime and you could easilly understand which ones where repeating on the same line.
Regards

[Funfinder]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Hi

the PDK-2.1 was already adjusted to Greece,i made a few adjusts in the circuits and a new coil.

I receive very positive emails about performance and finds,and many people want to buy PDKs but I realy dont have the free time to build this LRLs...

The VHF problem was solved with better transistors and changes in RX coil,this way no need VHF transmitters in the area.


Regards

This is not the best case if the MD is already adjusted for Greece and the testing people there still get bad results.

There should be a special poti for different countries or for a wide adjustable range.

If the feedback really is good prove it with a scientifical made test.

> The VHF problem was solved with better transistors and changes in RX coil,this way no need VHF transmitters in the area.

What is this, an FM-Radio?
The TV VHF radio stations broadcast at a band from 50-75 MHz and from ca. 200 to 500 MHz.

And the digital (before analog) SAT Signal is at ca. 10GHz.

I doubt you will receive with this 60kHz Longwave Receiver any VHF at all and also no SFX (special effects) from VHF.

Originally Posted by g-sani

I experimented while it was summer in Greece and the best time to use Crypton was definatelly in the evening.While detecting on the same place beeps were always less than daytime and you could easilly understand which ones where repeating on the same line.
Regards

This is not good, this is a lack of sensitivity.
There should be a variable transistor or capacitor etc. to tune it at daytime to an useful sensitivity.

Otherwise whats next: A Crypton model that only works usable if the full moon is shining?

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

This is not good, this is a lack of sensitivity.
There should be a variable transistor or capacitor etc. to tune it at daytime to an useful sensitivity.
Otherwise whats next: A Crypton model that only works usable if the full moon is shining?

Andreas is very good in electronics.I am sure he will make Crypton better and better.

[jimys]

hi
im travelling arround greece and im never see noone owner of crypton or noone talk about this lrl pass from any field that i know.
anyway im still waiting more infos from andreas for many months .............

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by jimys

hi
im travelling arround greece and im never see noone owner of crypton or noone talk about this lrl pass from any field that i know.
anyway im still waiting more infos from andreas for many months .............

As far as I know he has an office an a construction firm in the center of Athens.
If you are travelling so much as you say why you don't go there and visit him in person?
Go to the following page and press contact in the upper right hand side.There you see full addresses and telephone numbers.
http://www.crypton.com.gr/
Regards
g-sani

[ANDREAS]

Originally Posted by Funfinder

This is not good, this is a lack of sensitivity.
There should be a variable transistor or capacitor etc. to tune it at daytime to an useful sensitivity.

Hi funfinder
Very soon .. Maybe February, it becomes an official presentation of the new model our OBMD-2
What is news.
Double distance detection
With extra trimmer to enable each user to calibration- setup very easy in his homeland, etc. .. etc.
This machine has inside a extra receiver and it can work with a special ground- generator for more stimulate a target
We are very busy, for quick start and ofcourse upgrade all OBMD-1 if need our customers.
best regards

[WM6]

Hi Andreas,

why you need to upgrade your OBDM, if previous model work so fantastic as claimed?

Or it only "work", but cannot find anything and we need commercial upgrade to revitalise the sale?