Free energy - battery charger

[Max]

Originally Posted by Fred

This is interesting JP.
By creating a ionized conductive "tube" between the upper and lower layers of atmosphere, i can imagine the monstruous amount of current that will flow between them...

Ebookee has a great amount of books about Tesla.

regards,
Fred.

Yes... but ... if so... he made that stuff inside a car ?

I think the device, if exist, cannot be so small or simple to be carried in the car... expecially in the 30's were just some vacuum tubes available... so not small stuff... everything was big... resistors , capacitors etc

I think Tesla used a separate transmitter to power the car remotely.

But which kind of energy the transmitter used I don't know... maybe he just bought the electric energy from some electric company... maybe he discovered a way to get free energy from ionosphere/earth ... who knows !?

I also think there's much speculation about these issues... cause many people talk/write stuff without understand anything of this stuff... so it's a big mess of pseudoscience and hurban-legends around these facts.

Kind regards,
Max

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Max

Yes... but ... if so... he made that stuff inside a car ?
Max

I don´t think so, i understand the the car secret was not revealed?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Max

Yes... but ... if so... he made that stuff inside a car ?

I think the device, if exist, cannot be so small or simple to be carried in the car... expecially in the 30's were just some vacuum tubes available... so not small stuff... everything was big... resistors , capacitors etc

I think Tesla used a separate transmitter to power the car remotely.

But which kind of energy the transmitter used I don't know... maybe he just bought the electric energy from some electric company... maybe he discovered a way to get free energy from ionosphere/earth ... who knows !?

I also think there's much speculation about these issues... cause many people talk/write stuff without understand anything of this stuff... so it's a big mess of pseudoscience and hurban-legends around these facts.

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max,
Tesla was a genius from Croatia who moved to the USA where he found more industries he was interested in. His Idea was to provide free energy for all people, because he thought this would help to remove the reasons for wars. He discovered that when he built machines for free energy, the governments wanted to take his machines to make more war. In his later years, he was more secretive to protect his ideas and keep them from the govenrments for use in more wars.

His power transducer used in the car is not known. There have been many speculations by people who read the stories. The scientists usually decide they cannot determine what was the principle and power source. But Pseudoscientists love this story because they can use it to help them prove their pseudoscience theories, like perpetual motion, and free energy from a vacum, etc. Because the details were secret, a pseudoscientist can say he discovered Tesla's secret, and has modified the machine to find treasures long range, or to make free power.

But what makes sense?
Tesla's later experiments showed that if he built a large high voltage transformer and caused it to create a path (ionized air tube) that reached from the ionosphere to the ground, and AC was applied at the proper frequency, then he could draw surplus power from the ionsphere into his coil, more power than he used to open the path to the ionosphere.

Tesla's method of obtaining power from the ionosphere brought DC pulses similar to 1/2 wave rectified AC. The pulses from the ionosphere helped a resonant circuit in his high voltage transformer to increase in power. This resonant circuit was part of the high voltage primary, which he powered to produce the secondary voltage. The power he received can be sent to any power equipment you want... batteries, motors, capacitor banks, etc. But it should be large power handling equipment if you intend to use a large amount of the ionosphere power.

There was no ground transmitter that ran Tesla's car. His last tower was dismantled years before. He was living alone in a modest apartment in New York, and had no access to towers and large power broadcasting equipment. Nobody else was experimenting with these towers at that time. There was no power station sending power to the car. Therefore, the most likely source of power is the ionosphere. Tesla gave details how to connect to the ionosphere on many occasions. He even showed all details in his patents. For this reason, it seems likely that this is the source of power for his car.

The removable box for his car did not only contain tubes. It also had capacitors, resistors, connecting wires, etc, in the style of old radio connecting methods. If I am correct in my opinion about Tesla's power source, then this box was the controller that kept the primary side of the high voltage transformer to the correct frequency and power level. There were more parts that were located in the car permanently. The 80 HP motor was installed in place of the ICE engine. I suspect there also must have been some large salt water capacitors used for high voltage in those days. And a battery that was used to create the initial power to energize the primary and establish a conductive tube to the ionosphere. When the power circuit begins to work and receive power, then I would think the power is controlled by the accelerator pedal connected to a rheostat for the controller box. But there also must be an auxiliary power circuit for charging the battery to run the lights and instruments. The motor was 220 VAC, so there must have been some small transformer and rectifier to charge the battery.

I think all those parts were permanently installed on the car. But Tesla kept the controller circuit secret in a removable box, so nobody would discover the details of how he made this controller. I think it is probably similar to his large megawatt designs, but scaled down for less power, and it probably has improvements that his larger patented versions did not have. Possibly the high voltage transformer was installed permanently in the car, but it may have been inside the electronic control box if Tesla figured a way to miniaturize it when re-designing for low power. We know the antenna plugged into the box.

When you read more of the Tesla papers, remember -- there are many pseudoscientists saying they have machines that work on Tesla's same principles. You will read talk about Auras, time travel, gravity transformations, and other strange science. But these are BS. -- Not the same as what Tesla did. Tesla produced real power that you can use to run motors and lights in your home. Not just a lot of talk with fake breadboard demonstrations and secret experiments that are too dangerous for anyone to know about. Read Tesla's patents and see for yourself. Better yet, look at the AC power plug on your wall. It would not be there if Tesla did not design it and the power generating equipment that makes it feed power to you.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by Fred

I don´t think so, i understand the the car secret was not revealed?

Hi,
I read of a wooden box long 24'' he mounted in the car...then connected to the motor ... and also that he bought some maybe 12 vacuum tubes at a local shop when went to the factory to change the ICE with the electric motor... maybe tubes required for some control circuit than for receive the signal.

I guess generated TX signal was at least 100Kw power.

Now... if so, I guess the tubes at receiver could be just simple e.g. triodes or something like that...

That make me think Tesla made a kind of rf receiver, probably very easy receiver cause of dimensions of the box , but maybe enough to get the power from antenna to the motor... in the 50Kw range.

Now... for TX some old tubes are rated hi power 100 Kwatts range and more... an example of that is RCA862 (water cooled, 100Kw range triode).

The tube patent by RCA is around 1928... so compatible with Tesla experiment of the car. We have also to consider that Tesla probably had ability to use such "advanced" technology well before commercial distribution of them... cause companies trusted him , at least for some time.

Now... suppose Tesla used such 100Kw or more transmitter... and realized a receiver capable of getting 58Kw from the air... well... the car could effectively run then , and no special or fictionary explaination required.

I think so: he used hi power tubes for generating a gigantic radiated power... in a way he can then receive it at car with simple/small device connected to the motor and run it.

Why not ? Is that the essence of that experiments... carring electric power without cables/wires... but simply air.

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Max,
Tesla was a genius from Croatia who moved to the USA where he found more industries he was interested in. His Idea was to provide free energy for all people, because he thought this would help to remove the reasons for wars. He discovered that when he built machines for free energy, the governments wanted to take his machines to make more war. In his later years, he was more secretive to protect his ideas and keep them from the govenrments for use in more wars.

His power transducer used in the car is not known. There have been many speculations by people who read the stories. The scientists usually decide they cannot determine what was the principle and power source. But Pseudoscientists love this story because they can use it to help them prove their pseudoscience theories, like perpetual motion, and free energy from a vacum, etc. Because the details were secret, a pseudoscientist can say he discovered Tesla's secret, and has modified the machine to find treasures long range, or to make free power.

But what makes sense?
Tesla's later experiments showed that if he built a large high voltage transformer and caused it to create a path (ionized air tube) that reached from the ionosphere to the ground, and AC was applied at the proper frequency, then he could draw surplus power from the ionsphere into his coil, more power than he used to open the path to the ionosphere.

Tesla's method of obtaining power from the ionosphere brought DC pulses similar to 1/2 wave rectified AC. The pulses from the ionosphere helped a resonant circuit in his high voltage transformer to increase in power. This resonant circuit was part of the high voltage primary, which he powered to produce the secondary voltage. The power he received can be sent to any power equipment you want... batteries, motors, capacitor banks, etc. But it should be large power handling equipment if you intend to use a large amount of the ionosphere power.

There was no ground transmitter that ran Tesla's car. His last tower was dismantled years before. He was living alone in a modest apartment in New York, and had no access to towers and large power broadcasting equipment. Nobody else was experimenting with these towers at that time. There was no power station sending power to the car. Therefore, the most likely source of power is the ionosphere. Tesla gave details how to connect to the ionosphere on many occasions. He even showed all details in his patents. For this reason, it seems likely that this is the source of power for his car.

The removable box for his car did not only contain tubes. It also had capacitors, resistors, connecting wires, etc, in the style of old radio connecting methods. If I am correct in my opinion about Tesla's power source, then this box was the controller that kept the primary side of the high voltage transformer to the correct frequency and power level. There were more parts that were located in the car permanently. The 80 HP motor was installed in place of the ICE engine. I suspect there also must have been some large salt water capacitors used for high voltage in those days. And a battery that was used to create the initial power to energize the primary and establish a conductive tube to the ionosphere. When the power circuit begins to work and receive power, then I would think the power is controlled by the accelerator pedal connected to a rheostat for the controller box. But there also must be an auxiliary power circuit for charging the battery to run the lights and instruments. The motor was 220 VAC, so there must have been some small transformer and rectifier to charge the battery.

I think all those parts were permanently installed on the car. But Tesla kept the controller circuit secret in a removable box, so nobody would discover the details of how he made this controller. I think it is probably similar to his large megawatt designs, but scaled down for less power, and it probably has improvements that his larger patented versions did not have. Possibly the high voltage transformer was installed permanently in the car, but it may have been inside the electronic control box if Tesla figured a way to miniaturize it when re-designing for low power. We know the antenna plugged into the box.

When you read more of the Tesla papers, remember -- there are many pseudoscientists saying they have machines that work on Tesla's same principles. You will read talk about Auras, time travel, gravity transformations, and other strange science. But these are BS. -- Not the same as what Tesla did. Tesla produced real power that you can use to run motors and lights in your home. Not just a lot of talk with fake breadboard demonstrations and secret experiments that are too dangerous for anyone to know about. Read Tesla's patents and see for yourself. Better yet, look at the AC power plug on your wall. It would not be there if Tesla did not design it and the power generating equipment that makes it feed power to you.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
I think nobody knows exactly cause he used secrecy in that years...
but even if no large tx tower exist anymore at the time of the car experiment ( I simply don't know ) there is the possibility he made a smaller tramsmitter stuff just for that experiment, with a reasonable small antenna for to power the car remotely.

Seems to me about difficault he made everything as stand-alone in the car... including a supposed working ionosphere harvesting device... all in that car.

I cannot say anything for sure about... but I think the idea of remote powering of the car is far more realistic than having all stuff onboard, also considering space required at that time for electric/electronic devices... huge stuff... and much weight that sum to the car's own weight.

I think he wanna just demonstrate to the world the potential of remote powering with that car... no fuel required, no smoke/exausts produced, no noise, no complex carburetors/supply system etc just the car will tap at the air... getting power from rf.

It's like today's low-maintenance remote sensors for alarms... no cables...no batteries required and no pain go there... to change them... just they're powered by the central unit by rf.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Max

Seems to me about difficault he made everything as stand-alone in the car... including a supposed working ionosphere harvesting device... all in that car.

I cannot say anything for sure about... but I think the idea of remote powering of the car is far more realistic than having all stuff onboard, also considering space required at that time for electric/electronic devices... huge stuff... and much weight that sum to the car's own weight.

I think he wanna just demonstrate to the world the potential of remote powering with that car... no fuel required, no smoke/exausts produced, no noise, no complex carburetors/supply system etc just the car will tap at the air... getting power from rf.

I doubt this is true. Tesla did not build any power transmitting towers at that time, nor did anyone else. It was not possible to build such a tower without alerting someone that there is a new tower that is sending out power. This was also at a time when Tesla did not have a laboratory to conduct his experiments. He spent most of his time in his modest apartment.

Secondly, none of Tesla's power transmitters sent power through the air using RF. They sent power through the ground at sub-RF frequencies, and used receiving equipment that received the transmitted power from the ground. If the car had a receiver to collect power from a transmission station, then the car would need to have a grounding rod buried in the ground in order to receive this power. But the car is rolling on rubber wheels, and cannot be connected to a grounding rod. So this circuit could not possibly completed to the car when it was moving. Read his patents and you will see the power cannot be received without at least one grounding rod driven a minimum of a few feet into the ground, preferably at least 20 feet deep.

Maybe better to look to the concept of drawing power from the ionosphere as Tesla described.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Interesting drawing, right on the subject of what we were talking before :-)

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

Interesting drawing, right on the subject of what we were talking before :-)

Hi Fred,
This is correct. Tesla created designs to tap into the immense power available in the ionosphere during his later work, when he developed methods of sending out more power from his transmission towers than he put into them. His earlier designs were only to send power into the earth through deep grounding rods. It was a scheme to use the earth as a conductor for single-wire transmission. The transmission station sent the power into a very deep grounding rod and "pumped" the earth to send it to anyone who put a rod into the ground with a tuned receiving station connected to collect some of his power. When he discovered he could tap into the charge in the ionosphere, he realized that this could only be done if you created a high enough voltage to ionize a conductive path from the earth to the ionosphere. Tesla's machines that drew power from the ionosphere were only receiving coils. The power received was then sent to his transmission station into the ground to be transmitted to people who wanted to tap into the ground to use it.

In order to understand what Tesla was doing, it is important to separate his method of transmitting power, and his method of drawing power from the ionosphere. These are two different concepts. Drawing power from the ionosphere was accomplished by creating a conductive path to the ionosphere and using a circuit for collecting the ionosphere's charge. His circuit to transmit power involved using an AC resonant circuit to send large amounts of power into the earth via a deeply buried grounding rod. The path for power transmission was the earth, not the air.

Here is what Tesla said in his early years about his power transmission and communications transmission, taken from Colliers Weekly magazine in 1901:
"Some ten years ago, I recognized the fact that to convey electric currents to a distance it was not at all necessary to employ a return wire, but that any amount of energy might be transmitted by using a single wire. I illustrated this principle by numerous experiments, which, at that time, excited considerable attention among scientific men.

This being practically demonstrated, my next step was to use the earth itself as the medium for conducting the currents, thus dispensing with wires and all other artificial conductors. So I was led to the development of a system of energy transmission and of telegraphy without the use of wires, which I described in 1893. The difficulties I encountered at first in the transmission of currents through the earth were very great. At that time I had at hand only ordinary apparatus, which I found to be ineffective, and I concentrated my attention immediately upon perfecting machines for this special purpose. This work consumed a number of years, but I finally vanquished all difficulties and succeeded in producing a machine which, to explain its operation in plain language, resembled a pump in its action, drawing electricity from the earth and driving it back into the same at an enormous rate, thus creating ripples or disturbances which, spreading through the earth as through a wire, could be detected at great distances by carefully attuned receiving circuits. In this manner I was able to transmit to a distance, not only feeble effects for the purposes of signaling, but considerable amounts of energy, and later discoveries I made convinced me that I shall ultimately succeed in conveying power without wires, for industrial purposes, with high economy, and to any distance, however great".

It was later that Tesla discovered he could draw power from the ionosphere. This led him to direct his attention to the enormous amount of power available that could be put to use, and new experiments to refine the methods to harness it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[homefire]

Pending!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by homefire

Pending!

What?

[homefire]

I have not tried this.

I would think candle was was Dielectric.

Hydrocarbons burning (WAX) would produce free electrons.

What to hell the Magnet was about I have no Idea.

Are the Two flames producing a ION battery?


I think this is a ruse. I think there are batteries within the candles and the Ions from the flame Completes the circuit.

Some candle wicks have a wire within them! This could make it work. BUSTED> I BE THINKIN

What do you think?



Here you go.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by homefire

I have not tried this.

I would think candle was was Dielectric.

Hydrocarbons burning (WAX) would produce free electrons.

What to hell the Magnet was about I have no Idea.

Are the Two flames producing a ION battery?


I think this is a ruse. I think there are batteries within the candles and the Ions from the flame Completes the circuit.

Some candle wicks have a wire within them! This could make it work. BUSTED> I BE THINKIN

What do you think?



Here you go.

What !!!
Amazing!
It's easy enough to find out. Got some spare candles?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by J_Player

What !!!
Amazing!
It's easy enough to find out. Got some spare candles?

Best wishes,
J_P

Not that amazing. It's a simple magic trick.
Note how he puts at least one hand below the table top whenever he lights the candles or blows them out. No doubt there's a power source below the table that's connected to the two nails.

[homefire]

Yea! Some thing is a miss!

Wax can not and will not conduct electrons.!

A coil under the table! Open Ended Transformer.

We have high tension wires not to far from my house.

If you park under the 370,000 volt they Carry , you get shocked opening your car door.

If you live under them your going to end up with Leukemia!

A spool of 12 gauge 100ft wire placed under it produces enough power to light a small bulb. Open circuit Voltage was 600 volts.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by homefire

Yea! Some thing is a miss!

Wax can not and will not conduct electrons.!

A coil under the table! Open Ended Transformer.

We have high tension wires not to far from my house.

If you park under the 370,000 volt they Carry , you get shocked opening your car door.

If you live under them your going to end up with Leukemia!

A spool of 12 gauge 100ft wire placed under it produces enough power to light a small bulb. Open circuit Voltage was 600 volts.

It's not even that complicated.
Stop the camera, push the nails all the way through the candles. Attach wires behind candles (out of sight). Start camera. Voila!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

It's not even that complicated.
Stop the camera, push the nails all the way through the candles. Attach wires behind candles (out of sight). Start camera. Voila!

... and here's the proof!

Picture #1 was taken just before rubbing the nails with the magnet, and picture #2 was taken just after showing the magnet.

First the camera is stopped and restarted to give a closeup of the nails and magnet. The camera is then stopped again and restarted back at the original zoom level. Compare how far the nails are pushed into the candles in each snapshot. It is clear that they are pushed in further in picture #2, and obviously protrude from the rear of each candle.

Is anyone prepared to own up that they actually tried it?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

... and here's the proof!

Picture #1 was taken just before rubbing the nails with the magnet, and picture #2 was taken just after showing the magnet.

First the camera is stopped and restarted to give a closeup of the nails and magnet. The camera is then stopped again and restarted back at the original zoom level. Compare how far the nails are pushed into the candles in each snapshot. It is clear that they are pushed in further in picture #2, and obviously protrude from the rear of each candle.

Is anyone prepared to own up that they actually tried it?

Did you notice there are no follow-up posts at the bottom of this video? I wonder...
Is the maker of this video thinking.... "how many retards can I get to dig out some candles and try this BS? Muhahahaaaa...

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Well spoted Qiaozhi,
This is because of some idiots like this one that nobody can thrust each other and we loos so much time .
On the other side it helps some others to keep sharp

[monay]

This happens because the wire will form a short circuit that connects the ground to the voltage in the air where you are trying to collect a charge. The result is you have moved the ground voltage to a location above where you are trying to collect a charge from. So as the current begins to flow into the top of the charge-collecting antenna, it will quickly pass down the conductor, and the upper voltage will drop to the ground voltage.
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[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by monay

This happens because the wire will form a short circuit that connects the ground to the voltage in the air where you are trying to collect a charge. The result is you have moved the ground voltage to a location above where you are trying to collect a charge from. So as the current begins to flow into the top of the charge-collecting antenna, it will quickly pass down the conductor, and the upper voltage will drop to the ground voltage.
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Completely wrong!
It was done by video trickery.