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No, i am not involved. Jim assumed wrong. Like i said, i just received that file on my email and that is all. Detailed analyze can show it is not bogus. I can not see any "technical" problem on pcb. Other question is; is it workable or not. I dont want to judge about it without knowing components values and pcb in/out wirements. I was hoping someone else would recognize this pcb and help with additional infos. That's why i posted link at the first place.
Seems WM6 is right - it is to much secret!
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I think I will better don't waste my time with these secrets and start reorder my socks tray...  Kind regards, Max
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Dollars to donuts this thread spins into another "Mineore works good...last long time" brew-ha 
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Oh man oh man. Doesnt really matter.
It would be interesting to see complete schematic with values. Further it can be analyzed and see what kind of electronic device it was. No need to debate about lrl functionallity here. How can you not dissociate those two subjects here? I am not interesting to know your personal attitude upon lrl's here (to all members here). I am interested to see electronic side of this device. It is shame for us sceptics (i am sceptic No.1 here) cose we are not even ready to more seriously analyze any eventual project. Name it "lrl" or whatever, but if it is projected as electronic device, with circuits and some logic - than i am always ready to analyze it and see what idea and electronic principle was used, involved in. So give at least some chance here. Before any analyze ever started, all of the sudden all the, so called "sceptics" appeared here and started spitting and mockery! Those do reminds me for real on some religious fanatics. Least to some good will, electronic enthusiasts. Keep your personal agendas for yourself. I already know each one of you with all your opinions and agendas. Posting that pcb here i was hoping to see some more constructive approach - not same old, usuall and pretty vapid repeating of same old phrases. RS threads are full of those. On one side there are beleivers with their same old behavior - on other side there are sceptics, again, with their same old behavior. And this "game" is just continuing with same pace. Let's change the pace for a while. Let's not repeat again and again same things. By now we all already showed our attitude to public. I am sceptic also, but i want to explore electronic side of so called 'lrl's. Or...better to do that by my own and stay away from public?
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but the picture you posted is BS... cause nobody can make any reverse engineering of something like that... there are no value/labels... so that board could be anything... including some old-style air conditioner control circuit... The tracks themselves don't tell anything of what's what you posted... So what we are talking about here ? The picture serves nothing, is nothing by itself and , by now, we are talking of nothing. That's what I think. If have something more interesting post that, and people will try to understand what is it and all the other stuff... like identifing components etc... Otherwise we can also quit here this thread.  Kind regards, Max
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"...so that board could be anything... including some old-style air conditioner control circuit....."
I agree. But we are "moving in circle" here. Just because i dont have complete project - i posted it here, in hope someone else who possibly know details, will help and complete it. Keeping in mind many simillar opamps designs i traced this pcb and spotted some logic. Seems like it has TX and RX part for real. RX part is pretty obscure and strange to me. Rather looking like some complicated band pass filter with huge attenuation? But...ok..if everybody else here agree to quit this thread, than i can do nothing against that...
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if Rx stage seems pretty obscure design you probably have also schematic...I don't know... some devices here (claimed working as LRLs) have similar logic... you have to filter out e.g. rf emissions... like broadcast radio signal in the FM band and "listen" for other stuff... I saw Esteban posted maybe 1hundred strange pictures of things claimed working that way... many of them uses old FM receivers but not integrated , they have IF filters and anything old style... some also have germanium diodes at AM section but seems FM is the band or the "bands" they are looking for... Read many messages related to changing RX section ... e.g. cut a turn from FM tuning section then you'll go higher than 108Mhz in upper VHF maybe around 110-130Mhz or add turn to go in lower VHF under 88Mhz cause you need "clear" from emissions rx frequency.... Sure you're not listening to a station there... you need out-tune the radio... so maybe your RX thing is like that... tune on a special range in the VHF then filter much of the "noise". I don't know which could be the principle (if any , logic) for doing so... I remember there was older magazines talking about gold detected by radio (in that case seems it was by AM receiver... magazines I mean are VERY old) but seems to me a big pile of BS. I mean... in the case of big gold ore deposits could also be true... but for small stuff like a coin ??? Who will ever find a coin that way !? Maybe Alonso... who knows... but I'm really skeptic that these things really works as "explained"... of course, if they works... and I'm skepting too about. Till now I saw just big claims... no facts. Kind regards, Max
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Before any analyze ever started, all of the sudden all the, so called "sceptics" appeared here and started spitting and mockery!
Those do reminds me for real on some religious fanatics. Least to some good will, electronic enthusiasts. Keep your personal agendas for yourself. I already know each one of you with all your opinions and agendas. These guys everyday is more far for to obtain... nothing!
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Luckly I haven't that trouble... My sleep is very quiet.  Kind regards, Max
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Maybe is the wine... I'm right now making a toast to the LRL-pretenders... God bless... for the fun! Kind regards, Max
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 But you sleep quiet!
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Yet when they post they make afirmations how well they do work. So arrives the time proofs are asked for.
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THE DESIGN IS YOURS!
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