LRL Ionic/Electrostatic energy field locator

[Mike(Mont)]

Max, don't think I am singling you out. "Birds of a feather flock together". Theseus accused me of being involved in pornography. That was much worse. I don't do porno. I find it totally disgusting, right up there with the other perverts.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Max, don't think I am singling you out. "Birds of a feather flock together". Theseus accused me of being involved in pornography. That was much worse. I don't do porno. I find it totally disgusting, right up there with the other perverts.

Smoke on the water...

and fire in the sky...

The real question is: why he accused you of such stuff ???

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Theseus accused me of being involved in pornography.

Can you prove that, or are you just running your mouth off again?

[simonbaker]

I would assume real bonafide dowsers are so rich by now from all their finds that they would have no inclination or time to post messages here, just spend time with their incredible riches having fun. Must be nice!!!!

[Max]

Do you mean users of useless rods ?

[Geo]

Originally Posted by simonbaker

I would assume real bonafide dowsers are so rich by now from all their finds that they would have no inclination or time to post messages here, just spend time with their incredible riches having fun. Must be nice!!!!

Sorry but i can't assume the same for the users of metal detectors with Top technology !!!!!

[Mike(Mont)]

I think that is why some people are so disillusioned about dowsing/locating. Just because a person can dowse/locate does not guarantee they will get rich. Like Clive Clynick says in his "Pulsepower" book: To find gold with a metal detector, first find the gold then place the metal detector coil directly over it. Of course what he means is you can't find gold where there isn't any or where you can't get access to the property. Karl von Mueller wanted people to believe there is a stack of gold bars on every block in the entire country. Well, there may be but you can't get access to it. That's where luck comes into play. If you can find a place and get access to it, you have a good chance.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I think that is why some people are so disillusioned about dowsing/locating. Just because a person can dowse/locate does not guarantee they will get rich. Like Clive Clynick says in his "Pulsepower" book: To find gold with a metal detector, first find the gold then place the metal detector coil directly over it. Of course what he means is you can't find gold where there isn't any or where you can't get access to the property. Karl von Mueller wanted people to believe there is a stack of gold bars on every block in the entire country. Well, there may be but you can't get access to it. That's where luck comes into play. If you can find a place and get access to it, you have a good chance.

So... there must be gold to find before you can get rich finding it?

Hmmmm...
Carl_NC offered to pay $25,000 for anyone who can find real gold that is guaranteed to be there. Yup, a real 10 ounce pure gold bar hidden in one of 10 locations. All you need to do is dowse which of the 10 locations it is hidden at 7 times of 10 tries, and you get to keep the 10 ounce bar. Then Carl will write you a check for $5000, and send the remaining $20,000 to you. And he doesn't care if you are using a dowsing rod or a long range locator.

So there's how you can get rich from dowsing and find gold that is really there. The only way you will get an empty hole is if you are not able to dowse the correct location. I suppose it's pretty easy when there are 10 markers to choose from instead of millions of acres of ground to cover. So go get rich..!

p.s. If $25,000 is not worth your while, why not try for a million in the Randi challenge. It's pretty much the same test except no free gold in the deal, only a million US dollars. Would that keep you happy for awhile?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Well, it's true I could probably beat the challenge with just a frequency generator but I don't have enough money to hire a team of lawyers and even if I did it wouldn't matter. The rules say the final decision is up to their panel. I also know a million to one odds isn't good enough. Not even a million times a million. And I don't claim to be able to do any better than that and that's assuming there is no foul play like the stories I heard.

I don't know what tricks Carl has up his sleeve, but I suspect he has several deterents in place to block any signals. And I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

So... there must be gold to find before you can get rich finding it?

Hmmmm...
Carl_NC offered to pay $25,000 for anyone who can find real gold that is guaranteed to be there. Yup, a real 10 ounce pure gold bar hidden in one of 10 locations. All you need to do is dowse which of the 10 locations it is hidden at 7 times of 10 tries, and you get to keep the 10 ounce bar. Then Carl will write you a check for $5000, and send the remaining $20,000 to you. And he doesn't care if you are using a dowsing rod or a long range locator.

So there's how you can get rich from dowsing and find gold that is really there. The only way you will get an empty hole is if you are not able to dowse the correct location. I suppose it's pretty easy when there are 10 markers to choose from instead of millions of acres of ground to cover. So go get rich..!

p.s. If $25,000 is not worth your while, why not try for a million in the Randi challenge. It's pretty much the same test except no free gold in the deal, only a million US dollars. Would that keep you happy for awhile?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

If i remember good, Esteban told to come to US with Alonso but he wanted at least 50000$. You told that now Carl is not able to give money..... right??????

Regards

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.

Fair. But you do not need to to give away his money for nothing.

It is enough to give us evidence that your dowsing method is working.

You can only cover all your costs (plus some gold coins as souvenir) from rewarded money and leave rest to owner. No ethical problems at all.

Seems that you do not believe enough in your dowsing method to undergone testing.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

...I suspect he has several deterents in place to block any signals. And I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.

Yeah right...he makes a challenge but blocks the signal so it cant work.Just to make people spend money in airplane tickets or gas ?
Man, you really have problems.
You say you dont do drugs...or porno...well maybe you should.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont

Well, it's true I could probably beat the challenge with just a frequency generator but I don't have enough money to hire a team of lawyers and even if I did it wouldn't matter. The rules say the final decision is up to their panel. I also know a million to one odds isn't good enough. Not even a million times a million. And I don't claim to be able to do any better than that and that's assuming there is no foul play like the stories I heard.

I don't know what tricks Carl has up his sleeve, but I suspect he has several deterents in place to block any signals. And I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.

So what evidence do you have there are tricks involved? Has Carl-NC ever used trickery in any of his testing?
This is a double blind test, where Carl is not permitted to be the test proctor. He can only be an observer who must pay the prize money to whoever proves they can dowse by finding the hidden gold bar. What way can Carl possibly block the signal? He doesn't even believe signals exist.
If you really think he will cheat you, then simply bring your friends along with their video cameras to record the whole thing, and post it on youtube.
It seems like a far stretch to make up BS that Carl could cheat on a double blind test.

Getting back to reality... There is no need for lawyers. This is a simple test to see if you can tell which of 10 locations a 10 ounce gold bar is hidden under. If you really can dowse, then tell which location the gold bar is every time, same as a metal detector can. And you will win the gold bar and $25,000. Simple. Odds are 100% you will win. No chance you can lose. So go win your money. Or if $25,000 is not enough, take the same test with Randi for a million dollars.
Of course, neither Carl or Randi will pay the prize money if you cannot locate where the gold bar is hidden.
So if you really can dowse, then take the test and find the gold bar every time.
Get rich, go home and be happy.

But if you can't dowse, then the odds get pretty high against guessing where the hidden gold bar is. You won't be able to guess where the gold bar is hidden more than 6 times out of 10 tries. If you are trying to convince people you can dowse when you really can't, than this would be a reason why you should accuse Carl of cheating before any test starts, and a reason to start claiming the odds are too high, and claim it is only a publicity stunt.

After all, if you really can dowse, won't you be able to locate the gold bar every time?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by J_Player

If you really think he will cheat you, then simply bring your friends along with their video cameras to record the whole thing, and post it on youtube.

Bug detector are allowed too.

Originally Posted by J_Player

This is a double blind test, where Carl is not permitted to be the test proctor.

Very important:

Person(s) who buried the gold may not be so close during the search to be possible deduced from its facial expressions which point are hot or cold.

This is an old trick of trained and experienced circus artists, in which out of facial mimicry of viewers they found a box below which an object is hidden.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I don't know what tricks Carl has up his sleeve, but I suspect he has several deterents in place to block any signals. And I can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to give away money for nothing, either.

Tricks? To block signals...? What on earth are you talking about?

Exactly what are these "signals" you make reference to? Do you honestly think there are some sort of signals emanating from the target?

I can hardly believe after all these years, and after all the information you've been given both on this forum and many others; that you are still laboring under the misunderstanding that your dowsing rods (in combination with your worthless frequency generator) is actually operating under the guidance of something other than your own ideomotor response.

Wow!

Carl doesn't have to use tricks or so-called blocking mechanisms to retain his money. All he has to do is let you perform your normal dowsing routine, and he has no chance at all of losing his prize money.

Go for it, Mike! Show the world how accurate your dowsing is, and end this never-ending debate once and for all.

If you can.......

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by WM6

Bug detector are allowed too.



Very important:

Person(s) who buried the gold may not be so close during the search to be possible deduced from its facial expressions which point are hot or cold.

This is an old trick of trained and experienced circus artists, in which out of facial mimicry of viewers they found a box below which an object is hidden.

Hmmmm...
Is it possible the only tricksters are people who try to trick us into believing they can dowse?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by WM6

Very important:
Person(s) who buried the gold may not be so close during the search to be possible deduced from its facial expressions which point are hot or cold.

In a true test utilizing Double-blind protocol, that will not be a problem.

Carl's test would follow Double-blind protocol.

[Mike(Mont)]

I can never see collecting any money for supposedly demonstrating supernatural powers while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod. I certainly don't think it is supernatural anymore than tuning a radio station is.

The fact that I can detect a signal line to a target is only a matter of practice and heightened awareness to what my body is telling me. I've said many times you need some form of meditation to get the focus, and you need a positive attitude and confidence. These are the basics to just about any type of physical discipline--there is always the necessary psychological component. And you won't get it with whining, rationalizing, and blaming others or the equipment.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I can never see collecting any money for supposedly demonstrating supernatural powers while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod. I certainly don't think it is supernatural anymore than tuning a radio station is.

Sorry you can't see the error in your thinking (belief system); though you are not the first to be tricked by the ideomotor effect. (...and you won't be the last)

The fact that I can detect a signal line to a target is only a matter of practice and heightened awareness to what my body is telling me. I've said many times you need some form of meditation to get the focus, and you need a positive attitude and confidence. These are the basics to just about any type of physical discipline--there is always the necessary psychological component. And you won't get it with whining, rationalizing, and blaming others or the equipment.

...whining, rationalizing, blaming others or the equipment????

Is that something you find yourself doing?

I don't see anyone else doing those sorts of things.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I've said many times you need some form of meditation to get the focus, and you need a positive attitude and confidence. These are the basics to just about any type of physical discipline--there is always the necessary psychological component.

Here is about your skilled discipline, not others? Or are not?

I can believe in your positive attitude and confidence to get the dowsing focus in form of meditation.

But this not change anything.

If you cannot give to others evidence that your dowsing menthal art is working, all your claims what you can sense can be related only with, not so rare, hallucinations as collateral result of extensive meditations or drugs use.

[Mike(Mont)]

I guess maybe I should have said CHILD psychology.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I guess maybe I should have said CHILD psychology.

Well, whatever you've had the most experience, and feel comfortable with.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

I can never see collecting any money for supposedly demonstrating supernatural powers while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod. I certainly don't think it is supernatural anymore than tuning a radio station is.

Yup....
I can never see you collecting any money while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod either.
Will anybody ever see you collecting money or anything else with it?

Maybe your facts about dowsing exist in your mind only, and cannot be demonstrated to be facts in front of any witnesses...

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Sorry, I don't talk about my treasure projects. As for drug usage, I just did a pre-employment drug and alcohol screen earlier this month (got the job). I guess I can understand you are envious of my locating ability. You funny.

Just like Jesus said that anyone could perform the miracles He did, if only you had as much faith as in His little finger. Also He said you need to frame questions for a yes/no answer. From what many people think, he went to India and became a Yoga master. There were about fifteen years unaccounted for in His life and this is about the normal amount of time needed for that. He was able to transcend the physical world. I'm starting to see how the skeptic and atheist are intertwined

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Yup....
I can never see you collecting any money while using a frequency generator, with or without a locator rod either.
Will anybody ever see you collecting money or anything else with it?

Maybe your facts about dowsing exist in your mind only, and cannot be demonstrated to be facts in front of any witnesses...

Best wishes,
J_P

Doesn't want to talk about his (Mike) "locating projects" ????

I think I know why.

J_P, I'm not for certain, but I think Mike just made an "inference" that skeptics are atheists.

I'm starting to see how the skeptic and atheist are intertwined...

I think mentally, he is more than just a little unstable, and certainly is very irritated about being questioned as to his dowsing abilities and obviously extremely paranoid in his thinking. I hope his future employer screens him for more than just drugs; a psychological evaluation would certainly reveal some interesting traits.