This will change the world

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Despite the prejudice, hatred, stupid allegations, and character assinations against me on this forum, I do not lie, and have not lied to any one on this forum.

My avatar picture is of a person who goes to great measures to conceal his identity and could end up in serious trouble again if it is proven that he is still using the internet in a smear campaign of threats and libelous statements. He's a deceptive, well educated person with a mental problem that needs treatment.
I hope he gets it. I don't wish to reveal his name at this time, in the hope that he will seek professional help.

Dell

So you leaving while having so much fun, no one is threatening you, you are just paranoid from selling all those useless units, maybe you misread your dowser, it could be out of adjustment, like that really matters. Drugs again? Tea leaves are more more accurate than your units are, maybe you are using that method but replaced the tea with weed? Libelous statements? Maybe just struck a nerve or 2.
You do offer a money back guarantee in case your units don't work, dont you, that however may not be such a good idea because none of them work. We really appreciate all the good info you afforded us here, hopefully when others do a google search they will find it.

[Theseus]

Maybe if I take the picture of the Snake Oil salesman out of the "sig block", Dell will find some free time to come and play again.

[Sean_Goddard]

Dell, I think the issue is NOT whether an LRL works, but the bullsh*t and made up terms used to describe a metaphysical anomaly which, by virtue that is IS what is it, CANNOT be explained!

To my mind the people who designed these LRL's have stumbled upon something that works, and probably works well, but just make themselves look stupid by waffling a load of rubbish. THAT'S why you will find ridicule and derision for the subject here. It's not that we don't doubt the thing may or may not work, just the intellectual wannabes who profess to be able to understand and explain that which can't be either.

We ARE Engineers and Scientists, we deal in quantifiable units and measureable quantities of proven and explainable tangibles, not in "Pie in the sky" made up terms like ionic resonance. A few years ago, it was the ionic decay of gold (WTF??!!??) OH YAWN As an Engineer of some 30 yeras in the business, I admit I dont know it all, but this ionic BS is just meant to baffle and impress gullible idiots with more money than sense (just like the "I make $10000 per day from the internet and do NOTHING, buy my foolproof plan that tells you how, ONLY $25")....YEAH...YAWN...

I bet NO one has the rocks to advertise an LRL as "We don't know how it works, it just does, and we can PROVE it"!! Now THAT I would buy, but this SOOOOOOOOO Obvious made up rubbish, NAH I think not

HYPE DETECTOR ACTIVE..... B.S., PSEUDO SCIENTIFIC TERMS and HYPE Detected..!!!!!!

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Sean_Goddard

Dell, I think the issue is NOT whether an LRL works, but the bullsh*t and made up terms used to describe a metaphysical anomaly which, by virtue that is IS what is it, CANNOT be explained!

Exactly. As scientists and engineers, we already know the definitions of familiar rational terms both from physics and electronics. When LRL salesmen borrow these familiar terms, and then tie them together in odd ways, or worse yet, redefine them; --it will always trip the BS meter, and will make for interesting questions, demands for proof and debate.

It would be much better if they would simply make up their own terminology, to begin with, or as you suggest simply state they don't have any idea what is responsible for their results(?).

Unfortunately, it is a lot easier to disguise and sell dowsing constraptions with previously accepted (borrowed) and familiar terms, than with made up terms such as dohinky, flabbershist, polykookerbib and hefershaft.

Of course many of the commercial LRL items are purposely coupled (disguised) with electrical and electronic components, so I suppose it is natural to try and explain these do-nothing components, and circuits, with familiar terminology. Their targeted market are the gullible and technically-challenged, and they will always be dazzled by the lights and BS terminology.

[Sean_Goddard]

EXACTLY!!

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

What I was trying to point out was (like you said) - "it doesn't add up". On the one hand we hear extraordinary claims of great riches being pinpointed, without even leaving the kitchen table (map dowsing), and on the other hand we read about poor old destitute Dell living a life of poverty with only one gold nugget to his name. If it wasn't for welfare, how could these LRL manufacturers survive?

Of course it adds up. You are just giving them too much credit. Dell and their ilk, pin point the location of a possible hoard of gold/silver/platinum/(pick any other). They just don't bother to retrieve the goodies. That's why he's broke.

A better question would be to ask why a rational person, after having pin pointed the location of treasure, packs up and goes home, without retrieving it.

The only possible conclusion is that they are not rational. Otherwise, it would mean they are lying when they say their LRL works. And we know they are honest persons, don't we?

[Sean_Goddard]

And we know they are honest persons, don't we?

OF COURSE [cough..cough] Did I infer any different?? OOPS!!

Thought we'd established that about two years ago in another thread)

I guess we'll never convince them otherwise.

We'll I'm off to go buy that Ebook. I'm SURE the guy that's selling it is Kosher, he says I can be a millionaire in just six months IF I do exactly as he says. This one just HAS to work, now where are my bank account login details so I can give them to him to deposit my cheques from his Nigerian holding company?

While were on that I'll take some of that Snake Oil too I have this problem I've been told only THAT can cure...Hmmm TOO much information methinks

[Steve in MS]

Now that there are more rational minds around, their thinking that Carl is somehow evil for stating what he has and even offering a reward for a working LRL should not cause them any alarm. In fact, I think Carl should modify his proposal that the other side will lose an equal amount of money if they fail the test. Then they come on here and whine about how mistreated they are. I don't know about most but I don't give a rat's ***** how many he sells and if his customers are happy then that is fine with me but if there is any mixture of the metaphysical or paranormal in using these devices then science or observation will not prove that they are effective at what they are designed to do, that is like if someone claims to see a ghost, who knows if they really saw one of not, science or observation can not prove one way or the other.
Then to come on this forum without any proof or verifiable test results and expect to discount forum posters by name calling is really asking for the responses he got and to top it off refuse to answer any questions. I really just don't give a dam if LRLs work or not but I sure wouldn't buy one on the available information provided here or anywhere else, urban legends are not something I pursue.....

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Of course it adds up. You are just giving them too much credit. Dell and their ilk, pin point the location of a possible hoard of gold/silver/platinum/(pick any other). They just don't bother to retrieve the goodies. That's why he's broke.

Actually, it might be you, who are giving them too much credit. The implication in your post is that they really are able to pinpoint "the location of a possible hoard of gold/silver/platinum", and the only reason they're broke is because they didn't bother to excavate it. In fact, they would have been even worse off, having spent so much time and money digging a huge hole ... and finding nothing!

LRLs and dowsing have a success rate that is no better than guessing.
Anyway - even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Actually, it might be you, who are giving them too much credit. The implication in your post is that they really are able to pinpoint "the location of a possible hoard of gold/silver/platinum", and the only reason they're broke is because they didn't bother to excavate it. In fact, they would have been even worse off, having spent so much time and money digging a huge hole ... and finding nothing!

LRLs and dowsing have a success rate that is no better than guessing.
Anyway - even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut.

Do you mean the PI detector ???

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Max

Do you mean the PI detector ???

You've lost me on that one...

[Götz von Berlichingen]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You've lost me on that one...

This one : http://oldradiobuilder.com/MDET.html

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Götz von Berlichingen

This one : http://oldradiobuilder.com/MDET.html

Thanks ... I lost the plot there for a moment.

[Boattow]

Dell,
I'd like to take a stab at it. Is that Sam Scaffrey? Whatever happen to the old buzzard?
Boattow

[putrechigi]

Originally Posted by joecoin

http://www.h3tec.com/product.html


Gee, I can hardly wait to purchase one of these.

sorry but returning to the discussion someone was able to speak with the company H3 to get information about the product in the picture thanks

Best regards

[putrechigi]

does anyone know if work or not this lrl?