Rangertell LRL discreditation

[jondoe67]

Thanks, this helps and keeps me from tearing mine apart.
I Appreciate your reply and was puzzled by so much negativity. I have a very open mind and accept things much easier than most, but have mixed feelings about what's inside.
I see it possibably picking up different frequencies, but where is the power supply???. Even a "zero point" energy device has a power source and I do not understand how such a small voltage array of solar cels coud resonate and supply power.......I'm not so sure I can sell it on eBay now without some extensive blind testing of my own. Thank you very much for the time and info,
B.P.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by jondoe67

Thanks, this helps and keeps me from tearing mine apart.
I Appreciate your reply and was puzzled by so much negativity. I have a very open mind and accept things much easier than most, but have mixed feelings about what's inside.
I see it possibably picking up different frequencies, but where is the power supply???. Even a "zero point" energy device has a power source and I do not understand how such a small voltage array of solar cels coud resonate and supply power.......I'm not so sure I can sell it on eBay now without some extensive blind testing of my own. Thank you very much for the time and info,
B.P.

You have it exactly right.
There is no power supply inside the box.
You don't want to sell it on ebay or to anyone else when you cannot get it to work.
If you sell it, you can expect your customer will find the same as what you found.

Best wishes,
J_P

[jondoe67]

Thanks again, I tried the line generator and it works, but they are easy to understand.
Thanks for the reply, I am still going to do a test with someone hiding gold and try to find it.........I live on the southern oregon coast, are you close?. If your close, can we meet and test it?.
If it fails I will request a refund....It's been almost a year.....and complain to eBAY, if it doesn't work.
I'm not 100% sure it won't work, if it does, I could sure use the 25k I heard about.....But, since J_P posted the guts of the unit I have, I'm not as "hopeful as my first post". Thanks to you both, I hope we can meet and do a test, thanks,
Brian.

[jondoe67]

It's not an issue, if it doesn't work, I'll ask for a partial (-shipping) refund.
Like I said, I will test it more myself and with someone random, hopefully with the man who lives here in Or. who repplied to the post as well.
If it is a hoax, I'm all for exposng it for what it is.
If it is a bunch of B.S., I will expose it for what it is, by posting as many blogs as possible about the "blind tests" and the product itself.
However, if it goes the other way, I'll post the results as well and start getting rich, lol!, thanks for your info, Brian.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by jondoe67

It's not an issue, if it doesn't work, I'll ask for a partial (-shipping) refund.
Like I said, I will test it more myself and with someone random, hopefully with the man who lives here in Or. who repplied to the post as well.
If it is a hoax, I'm all for exposng it for what it is.
If it is a bunch of B.S., I will expose it for what it is, by posting as many blogs as possible about the "blind tests" and the product itself.
However, if it goes the other way, I'll post the results as well and start getting rich, lol!, thanks for your info, Brian.

Hi Brian,

The Examiner is nothing more than a cheap calculator glued on top of a plastic box, containing some do-nothing electronics and attached to a swinging handle. It is simply a dowsing rod, ans all the other stuff is just window dressing. It would be well worth your time to visit Carl and get some first-hand education on these nonsense devices.

I look forward to your future expose of this B.S.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Hi Brian,

The Examiner is nothing more than a cheap calculator glued on top of a plastic box, containing some do-nothing electronics and attached to a swinging handle. It is simply a dowsing rod, ans all the other stuff is just window dressing. It would be well worth your time to visit Carl and get some first-hand education on these nonsense devices.

I look forward to your future expose of this B.S.

Trying your dirty tricks against newbies again eh Ozzy?


Brian: I am a fairly long time user of the RTExaminer. I think it's a great tool.
There's a very successful and experienced user fairly close to your location called Art Flowers. He is from Northern Nevada.
You can read some of his posts and watch a few movie shots by him over specific Examiner threads in the Treasurenet forums like this one:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,305970.0.html

You may wish to contact him trough TNET private messaging and I'm sure he will be happy in helping you out, speaking of his impressions and you both could probably arrange for a meeting for his demonstrations. He is a very talented Examiner user.

Good luck and regards.

[Aziz]

LRL Business Model?

Lying (the customer)
Ripping off (the customer)
Living (from the customer)
???
No, I am just asking myself.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Trying your dirty tricks against newbies again eh Ozzy?


Brian: I am a fairly long time user of the RTExaminer. I think it's a great tool.
There's a very successful and experienced user fairly close to your location called Art Flowers. He is from Northern Nevada.
You can read some of his posts and watch a few movie shots by him over specific Examiner threads in the Treasurenet forums like this one:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,305970.0.html

You may wish to contact him trough TNET private messaging and I'm sure he will be happy in helping you out, speaking of his impressions and you both could probably arrange for a meeting for his demonstrations. He is a very talented Examiner user.

Good luck and regards.

Hi Brian,

Hopefully you will be able to distinguish fact from fiction, unlike the person quoted above, who is severely self-deluded.

[luciano furtado]

I think this simple device works as a fork Radiesthesia with the Kirlian effect if the staff who are doing research works can be sensitive.

[luciano furtado]

An interesting topic, which has a strong scientific foundation and even used in a way is the intense research that involves the detection of water, minerals and oil deposits by sensors able to detect small changes in local gravity. The scientific basis is the fact that sensitive equipment can really make this detection. Research, however, involves the possibility of people can understand these variations and detect the deposits using pendulums, forks or other less technical device like this ...

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by luciano furtado

I think this simple device works as a fork Radiesthesia with the Kirlian effect if the staff who are doing research works can be sensitive.

...the possibility of people can understand these variations and detect the deposits using pendulums, forks or other less technical device like this

You seem to think it works on principles of dowsing. Because it looks like dowsing?

According to the manufacturer it is not dowsing. From the Rangertell main page you can click on a link titled "Not Dowsing". This takes you to a page where they list three tests to show it is not dowsing and does not rely on ideamotor, and claims it is "not ideamotor or other deceptions proposed by sad skeptics". http://www.rangertell.com/notideomotor.htm

The skeptics consider the Examiner to be a dowsing rod because they have observed no electronics that could locate treasure in an Examiner, and because they have observed no results that show the Examiner can locate treasure (Read above for skeptical views of the examiner). The people who believe the Examiner does locate treasure claim it works by using electronic principles that do not follow the laws of physics. For example:

Originally Posted by hung

This is the principle in which the Rangertell Examiner works. Resonance to the elements subatomic levels when a carrier signal line is shot and returned.

The real answer can be found by trying an Examiner and seeing if it finds treasure for you. So far the reports I have heard from people who bought an Examiner mostly say it does not find treasure. I have also personally observed that everyone I watched who tried to find treasure with an Examiner was unsuccessful at finding gold or any other metal except for spotty results when they knew where it was hidden. This seems like strong evidence that it is performing according to the ideamotor principle. For me, the Examiner was not able to locate treasure when I knew the location or when I did not know the location. If I could see someone consistently find hidden metal that they do not know the location of, then I might change my mind about how it works or doesn't work. But until I see it actually working, I will believe what I saw so far.


If anyone wants to try out an Examiner in the Los Angeles area, send me a PM. I have a Deluxe model ready for testing that has a separate ground probe for a laptop frequency generator.

Best wishes,
J_P

[luciano furtado]

Hi J_Player okay

From what I honestly saw inside one of these devices, I believe the electronic system does not function as the manufacturer says, I think sincerely that functions as a detector radiostesia rather as a wand or pendulum even though most already have electronic and scientific foundations for prove Radiesthesia as gavÃ*metro.
There is a physical reasoning helps explain some of the changes of the pendulum near deposits: the oscillation can be affected by small changes in gravity caused by the presence of a body of lesser or greater density than the soil of their neighborhoods.

Thank you very much

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by luciano furtado

Hi J_Player okay

From what I honestly saw inside one of these devices, I believe the electronic system does not function as the manufacturer says, I think sincerely that functions as a detector radiostesia rather as a wand or pendulum even though most already have electronic and scientific foundations for prove Radiesthesia as gavÃ*metro.
There is a physical reasoning helps explain some of the changes of the pendulum near deposits: the oscillation can be affected by small changes in gravity caused by the presence of a body of lesser or greater density than the soil of their neighborhoods.

Thank you very much

Sensitive gravimeters can detect a difference in the local density. This is because these instruments have precision sensors. A person can also hold a pendulum in the area of a denser deposit, but he has no precision instruments to hold a pendulum stable and measure how the period of oscillation changes. He has arm muscles which move enough to spoil any attempt to stabilize the pendulum position to make a measurement of local gravity possible. The pendulum moves as a result of his arm and hand causing it to move. Any influence from density of a buried object cannot be seen when a person's hand holding a pendulum moves thousands of times more strongly to influence the pendulum than any buried object could.

Secondly, gravity cannot be the force that causes a pendulum or dowsing rod to locate a metal object. For example, we see people using dowsing rods to search for coins when a car is nearby. If they were responding to gravity, they would locate the car, which is about one million times as heavy as a 1 Euro coin. In the case of the Examiner, the manufacturer shows it to develop a force that moves against gravity. Look at what it says on his main page below the video: "Note how the Examiner is dipping a little so it is climbing against gravity" http://www.rangertell.com/

According to the manufacturer, the magnetic laws are responsible for this movement against gravity. Yet we see no power source inside the Examiner which can develop any amperage in the coils to cause a magnetic rotational force. In fact, if a power source was added, the only nearby field the internal coils could respond to is the magnetic field of the earth, or possibly an iron object held very close to the Examiner. In essence, you could build a crude compass using coils and adding a substantial power source, which does not exist in the Examiner.

My observation has been the Examiner does not move against gravity unless someone causes it to move against gravity with their arm muscles, or by holding it in the wind to blow the antenna against where gravity would move it. I also observed the users of an examiner cannot cause it to move against gravity or with gravity where an unknown hidden treasure is located. But some people have caused it to point in the direction where they know a treasure is placed.

The appearance is simple guessing would serve to function the same as using the examiner, unless I missed something that these people exhibited in their attempts to locate hidden objects with the Examiner.

Best wishes,
J_P

[luciano furtado]

Hi friend but respect their views ate because I really like your posts here in the forum to accompany times already out.
I believe much of this equipment as ragertell in a small blender or fork, pendulum if the person is sensitive but can detect because they came up in practice happen ok since I unfortunately do not have this sensitivity because it comes from years of training.
The gravity survey of a region is a powerful tool to discover deposits. In research involving these changes are done with gravity sensors attached to aircraft.
Going to the research, using the call fork (= dowser wand) to detect water (or gold) based on the same principle.
Small changes in weight caused by the presence of a body of water can be detected by a sensitive person.

[luciano furtado]

The small "oscillations" or movements of the wand pointing to the "operator" where would the best place to dig a well or try to find ores.
In gravimetry, the electron is already widely used in the detection of mineral deposits, but in the research of phenomena like this are few researchers who make their use, although the chances are very broad.
Thus, both the impactor and the fork can be coupled to sensitive electronic detectors, much better than humans, they could accuse minimal changes of amplitude or guidelines of their vibrations.

[luciano furtado]

If you want I can send you some schemes electronics teins a friend if you can make your oscilloscope test and draw your conclusions.

thanks friend J Player

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by luciano furtado

The gravity survey of a region is a powerful tool to discover deposits. In research involving these changes are done with gravity sensors attached to aircraft.
Going to the research, using the call fork (= dowser wand) to detect water (or gold) based on the same principle.

Of course, gravimeters are very useful tools to map a region and help locate deposits. But the evidence suggests a dowsing rod does not determine the difference in density of nearby objects as a gravimeter does. Where do you find evidence to support that dowsing is based on the same principle as a gravimeter?

Originally Posted by luciano furtado

If you want I can send you some schemes electronics teins a friend if you can make your oscilloscope test and draw your conclusions.

Here is a better idea:
Start a new thread in this forum called Gravity Dowsing Schematics and post the circuits there. Then everyone can read the schematics and make oscilloscope tests to draw their conclusions.

Best wishes,
J_P

[luciano furtado]

ok

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by jondoe67

It's not an issue, if it doesn't work, I'll ask for a partial (-shipping) refund.
Like I said, I will test it more myself and with someone random, hopefully with the man who lives here in Or. who repplied to the post as well.
If it is a hoax, I'm all for exposng it for what it is.
If it is a bunch of B.S., I will expose it for what it is, by posting as many blogs as possible about the "blind tests" and the product itself.
However, if it goes the other way, I'll post the results as well and start getting rich, lol!, thanks for your info, Brian.

Any update?

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Any update?

It seems the gross absence of any positive results speaks volumes, and goes a long way towards validating all the evidence that the Examiner is nothing more than an ideomotor-based dowsing wand.

[immx]

i have an examiner device and it was registerd to my pc ... My pc is broken now due to high voltage ferequnce i was wondering is there any way to recover my activation key becuase i had to change the pc completely and now its my key is not working on the new pc
regards

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by immx

i have an examiner device and it was registerd to my pc ... My pc is broken now due to high voltage ferequnce i was wondering is there any way to recover my activation key becuase i had to change the pc completely and now its my key is not working on the new pc
regards

Wouldn't that be something you should be asking Vincent Blanes at Ranger Tell?