Free energy - other ideas

[ivconic]

I would like this to grow. So..finally Carl to form separate part of Forum on this subjects - Free Energy.
Why? I guess this problematic has more connection points with our main interest here ....
BTW here is one very good link for a start:


http://www.free-energy-devices.com


Enjoy!

[perdica 2]

IVCONIC you are the man
i am for free to
also i am looking for man good with math,to calculate a timing diagram (train of pulses) for pure sine wave for inverter like on this picture

[ivconic]

I guess Aziz can say word or two on that subject. Invite and ask him here.

Fred gave nice link on other thread. I think that link is more suitable here.
Here it is:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

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[Fred]

Originally Posted by perdica 2

also i am looking for man good with math,to calculate a timing diagram (train of pulses) for pure sine wave for inverter like on this picture

Is this secret timing to break water ?

[Elie]

Originally Posted by Fred

Is this secret timing to break water ?

No. That would be here:
http://pregnancy.about.com/od/laborb...aterbroken.htm

[Elie]

Originally Posted by ivconic

I would like this to grow. So..finally Carl to form separate part of Forum on this subjects - Free Energy.
Why? I guess this problematic has more connection points with our main interest here ....
BTW here is one very good link for a start:


http://www.free-energy-devices.com


Enjoy!

Here ya go:
http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+1259-A

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Fred

Is this secret timing to break water ?

I think you meant to say "water fracturing", unless you want to talk to a obstetrician.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

I think you meant to say "water fracturing", unless you want to talk to a obstetrician.

I don´t think so : what i meant is breaking molecules of water, there are "special" oscillators frequencies and "secret" voltages that are suposed to do that, amongs water engines proponents.
Elie had given me a clue that i was not using the right word

[Max]

Originally Posted by Fred

I don´t think so : what i meant is breaking molecules of water, there are "special" oscillators frequencies and "secret" voltages that are suposed to do that, amongs water engines proponents.
Elie had given me a clue that i was not using the right word

Oh wow...

But, if so... I think teh idea is making H2 and use it for an internal combustion engine... !

Or not ?

A car that goes with water... seems someone already made it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley...ater_fuel_cell

(just another scam for the list)

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Max

Oh wow...

But, if so... I think teh idea is making H2 and use it for an internal combustion engine... !

Or not ?

A car that goes with water... seems someone already made it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley...ater_fuel_cell

(just another scam for the list)

Kind regards,
Max

Actually this does work! ... BUT - whether the production of gas can keep up with consumption by the combustion engine is another story.
There is also the question of whether it would be more efficient to use the electricity to drive an electric motor, rather than convert water to HHO gas and put it through an inefficient ICE.

Stanley Meyer always claimed that there was about 5x more energy in the resultant HHO gas than the electrical energy required to generate it. This would be easy to prove. Simply connect the ICE to a generator and recharge the battery. Then you just need to feed the device with water and it should continue to run forever.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Max

Oh wow...

But, if so... I think teh idea is making H2 and use it for an internal combustion engine... ! Or not ? Max

Yes, just separate oxygene and hydrogene and use them either directly (burn them) or in some cell battery.
I think you don´t even need heavy modification of the carburetor...but the problem is breaking the molecules, you need a lot of energy, more than produced of course, and this is where apears many genius claiming they can do this with HF and HV etc and spending less energy than produced.
Of course anyone can make it work with DC and 2 wires, but as soon as you include some exotic components and unknow variables, everything works better

regards,
Fred.

[perdica 2]

Originally Posted by Fred

Is this secret timing to break water ?

only for breaking but's

[Max]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Actually this does work! ... BUT - whether the production of gas can keep up with consumption by the combustion engine is another story.
There is also the question of whether it would be more efficient to use the electricity to drive an electric motor, rather than convert water to HHO gas and put it through an inefficient ICE.

Stanley Meyer always claimed that there was about 5x more energy in the resultant HHO gas than the electrical energy required to generate it. This would be easy to prove. Simply connect the ICE to a generator and recharge the battery. Then you just need to feed the device with water and it should continue to run forever.

Yes, right!

The background problem is that, in the real wold, the energy stored in the bond between H and O in the water molecules is higher than the energy that you get when burn produced (combine again) H2 and O (actually O2 gas) to produce again water...

Any system or method claimed of breaking the water molecules must face that problem... extra energy than produced by combustion later is needed to break the molecules.

Everytime someone say it's not like above... that energy required to break a molecule of water is less than that produced by recombination of produced H2 and O (O2 gas indeed) produced, he say something that is impossible by physics: violate the second law of thermodynamics, create more energy than what's already there in the closed system... that's impossible.
Assuming a process like electrolysis at 100% efficiency you'll get by combustion exactly the same amount of energy you extract from chemical bond of H2O molecule... but electrolysis is not a perfect 100% efficient process... so you waste more energy than what you'll produce by later combustion of gases... that's why hydrogen-powered-cars aren't produced... to create H2 used in combustion engine you'll waste enormous quantities of electic energy in poor efficiency electrolysis cells.

Always you need extra energy at low cost to break that bonds... (but where to find ??? Install a small nuclear reactor in the car... like in "back to the future" ?)

About Meyer...

Meyer wrote of electrical resonance of water involved in the process to explain why can break water with so few energy than common electrolysis... but

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley...ater_fuel_cell

"Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996."

So...seems the above Meyer's thing is at best ...pseudoscience.

Kind regards,
Max