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09-25-2008, 08:15 AM
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Is this a joke detector?
Hi Forum,
Recently I have seen at several places a funny looking antenna detector device (see picture) with security guys in front of big bank buildings and also at 5 star hotels in the Philippines. I asked the security guys what it is....Here the answer.... the security company claims that with this "super detector" you can detect all kinds of explosives (dynamite, C4, TNT, black powder etc..)  . The detector model name is "GT 100" and costs PHP1.500.000 (USD 35,000). Inside the rectangular compartment is a kind of credit card size sample card of the explosives type that the device can detect. The security guys really believe that this detector works. At least the cards are label with what it "should" detect...  What kind of security joke device is it? Has anybody have seen a similar detector? 
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09-25-2008, 10:04 AM
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I think it's the same stuff of Quadro Tracker... just hi priced BS piece of junk ! There are scams like this in all the world... now it's mostly Asia... during olimpic games there where seen also I think most buyers think devices really work. Other just don't care: the scope is letting customers belive they are safe in that places... protected from attacks and the like... so are like a promo say... "visit our country... or our hotel... or our city...etc you'll be safe here!" BS. There's no real security to that kind of attacks unless you're in a solid underground bunker... so it's just another illusion of marketing.  Kind regards, Max
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09-25-2008, 03:23 PM
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I was once told by an LRL salesman (wallet-miner), that it was not important if his instruments actually worked or not. The important thing was that the instruments "looked" impressive and they came with a "very large price tag". He claimed both of these attributes were "positive affirmations" for the dowser, and thus they could go about their dowsing with a certain level of confidence that could not be obtained by dowsing with a simple bent wire. Quite obviously, the actual results would be the same from either the high-priced device or the bent wire. However, in the case of the high-priced contraption, the sucker "felt" better since they knew they were using the absolute most expensive "dowser" available at that time. Clever philosophy..... wouldn't you say?
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09-25-2008, 07:56 PM
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I still cannot imagine someone buying something without a proof that it works. It just doesn't seem real for someone to pay 35000USD without going through the trouble of at least testing the thing.
Regards, R.A.
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09-26-2008, 02:20 AM
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Yet, strange at it may seem, these types of "blind" purchases are made. Generally, they are made by a minority of individuals who have incredible amounts of cash resources, and really have no concern if the contraption actually works or not. They would rather purchase it, try it for themselves, and if it proves to be totally worthless --they simply toss it to one side and never give it a second thought. These types of individuals are small in number but they do exist. Frankly, their biggest concern in life is their "health", because financially they really have more money than they know what to do with. What (or who) do you think keeps some of the largest LRL dealers (with the most expensive dowsing contraptions) in business? It's certainly not the average weekend coinhunter/treasure enthusiast, who has a 8 to 5 job 5 days a week.
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09-26-2008, 04:10 AM
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Hello theseus,
What you say is the right thing.. In Some BIG company , you have the guy you work in the buying department and will buys for their security the best $$$$ product... just see the high price ... they thinking it is sure a very good detector ,,, They will make they order of ten o more without thinking more ,,,,and when the product arrived , nobody will know nothing .... This example exist in many government department , us, french, spanish etc... in all the world this stupidity!!! Have a good days all the forum Alex
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09-26-2008, 07:27 AM
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Some people try to find a product that will do better than what is standardized and known to be effective.
In the case of LRL's, the supposed magic of them of finding items over longer distances will no doubt entice them to want such a device. Like, why bother with a typical detector that only sees a small area at one time when one can search a large area with very little work to be done? Big problem is does it work, if there is no positive response then the user will assume there is no item there of any worth. Then if there is a positive response, how many big empty holes does it take before the user stops digging ?
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09-26-2008, 11:01 AM
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I agree with Alex... in big companies you have just put the issue... then few people will make the decision to buy something... often with very limited understanding of what a locating device is... if could really work etc etc It's really common issue: most expenses in big companies are totally waste of money about direct effectiveness; in some cases it's the secondary effect that is more important... that people belive something work for real... not actually that it works really. In the security business you can find regular, working stuff like handheld MDs (used e.g. in schools, public offices etc) or walkthrough MDs (e.g. airports etc) and also stupid things hi priced like the above... If Quadro initially fooled FBI there's no reason why some other scam company couldn't do the same with other customers in the US or other places in the world! FBI has plenty of experts in fraud stuff... even technically trained very good... and could require also external support when more advanced understanding is required... so it's easy that e.g. a big worldwide hotel company will be fooled same way even more easy... often people at head of security are just retired personell of police, federal agancies etc... Why wonder if happens then ? You have also consider other factors: suppose that the security chief is corrupted by such a company to share the profit of that sell... don't you think he will make pressure over the company to get the "best" security technology available ? Corruption is another key factor: people who internally promote such stuff are often part of the scam chain too, cause earn extra money. Suppose you have 100 big hotels around the world... and each one need a BS detector like above... at 35000 usd each are 3.5 million dollars... there's room to pay a bribe to someone inside the company... also considering that production costs of 100 "units" like above is probably under 1000usd. Real bargain! Kind regards, Max
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09-26-2008, 11:51 PM
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It is seriously non-funny, that people's lives are being put at risk. This sort of nonsense should be banned from sale.
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09-27-2008, 01:47 AM
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You'd better hope that the terrorists believe they work, otherwise they are useless. Folks have sometimes asked me, "What's the harm in people believing in dowsing & LRLs?" Well, this is the harm!
Chris2, can you PM me the names of the banks & hotels? I'd like to contact them. - Carl
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10-02-2008, 06:48 PM
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Hi, HSBC had a worse attack in Istanbul some time ago: that's why maybe someone had that brilliant idea of buying LRLs to protect "better" the customers!  And at now Philippines are under similar risks cause of Mindanao's rebels purposes... Kind regards, Max
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