Post proof of working LRL

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by detectoman

esteban, un abrazote para usted, y felicidades por sus logros en la eletronica

detectoman

Gracias Detectoman.

Un fuerte abrazo!!!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

No, was the called "Dilliger".
... Do you can remember?

I don't remember. Was this removed when Robert was banned?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Esteban,
These are very nice photos of the history of your treasure hunting. You have done very well to show photos of finds like Clondike Clad asked for. If you take all your photos, you can make a very nice book of treasure hunting pictures to read at the living room coffee table -- "la Historia de Tesoros de Alonos, Esteban, y los Amigos". But I don't see the real proof Clondike Clad asked for.

Here is an example of real proof. It shows no photos of treasures, only some instructions for building a detector so anyone can use the same detector to see treasures in their own hand. Real proof: http://geotech.thunting.com/pages/me...ead/HHv1p5.pdf

Best wishes,
J_P

... to read at the living room coffee table -- "la Historia de Tesoros de Alonos, Esteban, y los Amigos".

No, be serious!!! I can't desvinculate the finds and the type of electronic LRL involved in each time can do it. Is a very singular history in MD. Also arrive to USA in 1981 and there are, in Texas, 1,000 witnesses of the finds and detector capability. Also in Garrett factory. This is a proof. Investigate you. USA ex Ambassador in Paraguay was witness (he was in the group) of electronic LRD and of the finds of 108 silver and gold objects and small platinum crowm inserted in the head of a saint image dispersed in an extense battlefield. At each find, he exclaim: "Incredivel! Incredivel!" Think was in 1978.

If nobody wish to accept as part of the proof, I can't do nothing for you. If you forgett all I told about it... And if you forgett all you asked me, and reask... So, you have not real interest in it.

Radio courses, radio-magistrate, radio-doctorate or similar is not in his programs electronic LRL.

Regards

Esteban

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

... to read at the living room coffee table -- "la Historia de Tesoros de Alonos, Esteban, y los Amigos".

No, be serious!!! I can't desvinculate the finds and the type of electronic LRL involved in each time can do it. Is a very singular history in MD. Also arrive to USA in 1981 and there are, in Texas, 1,000 witnesses of the finds and detector capability. Also in Garrett factory. This is a proof. Investigate you. USA ex Ambassador in Paraguay was witness (he was in the group) of electronic LRD and of the finds of 108 silver and gold objects and small platinum crowm inserted in the head of a saint image dispersed in an extense battlefield. At each find, he exclaim: "Incredivel! Incredivel!" Think was in 1978.

If nobody wish to accept as part of the proof, I can't do nothing for you. If you forgett all I told about it... And if you forgett all you asked me, and reask... So, you have not real interest in it.

This history of your travels to USA and witnessing of officials is exactly what I say is good for your book of treasure history. A book of singular history of the treasures of Esteban and hhis friends -- "La Historia de Tesoros de Alonso, Esteban, y los Amigos". This would be a great book to show all the world photos and tell the stories of your treasure hunting adventures. Nobody has the photos you took, so this would be a new book of the history of LRLs as seen by Esteban. Maybe many people will want to buy this book to keep in their collection.

These photos do not prove that the red pistol detector in your hand will work. They only show photos digging and holding the pistol. But if you want to prove it works, you can read my instruction to make proof in posts above.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I don't remember. Was this removed when Robert was banned?

Best wishes,
J_P

Of course, schematic was posted by Papanic, another alias of RObert, Roberts, Sony and who knows... Why Papanic was banned in the epoch that was banned RObert and Sony, eh? Do you can see? This is the person who wish "tech" me and you and others in radio and "help me" in radio. Tell me!!! Here there are many Roberts supporters...

Start in page 4 with schematics

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/foru...t=13237&page=4

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

These photos do not prove that the red pistol detector in your hand will work. They only show photos digging and holding the pistol. But if you want to prove it works, you can read my instruction to make proof in posts above.

Best wishes,
J_P

Who is able to dictate these rules?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I don't remember. Was this removed when Robert was banned?

Best wishes,
J_P

As I said.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

There are only two ways I know to prove a detector will find a target:
1. Watch someone use the detector to find targets and recover them.
2. Build an identical detector and see if it finds a target.

Best wishes,
J_P

This was exactly with me and other users of this kind of detector, observed by 1,000s, include Ambassador, etc.

So, if you watch the real functionment and recover targets, automatically become in true! But if others claim it, automatically is bogus. This is one of the rules? Nice!!!

[Fred]

Hi Esteban,
Do you know what was so special about dilliger antenna? is this similar to your PD ?
Regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Who is able to dictate these rules?

Carl dictated the rules for the remote sensing forum. Here are the rules he dictated:

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

This forum is for the open discussion of either method. Because LRL-oriented forums can quickly degrade into personal conflicts, this forum will be strictly controlled. Rules are still simple:

• You must be a registered user to post here. Guests may read.
• Be polite. Name calling will get you banned quickly.
• Be factual. If you make an extraordinary claim, be prepared to get challenged.

In general, try not to take differences of opinions personally.

The instructions I give are the same method other people in the Geotech forums use to show how their detectors work. They show schematics and instructions to build their detectors. They do not hide the schematics and coil methods. Only people in remote sensing forum will hide the designs. This causes most watchers to think these detectors cannot be proven to work. When people see detectors that make extraordinary claims then they like to challenge like Carl-NC says .. "be prepared to get challenged".

Originally Posted by Esteban

So, if you watch the real functionment and recover targets, automatically become in true! But if others claim it, automatically is bogus. This is one of the rules? Nice!!!

But we cannot watch the real functionment and recover targets like the story from 1981. There is no time machine for us to go back and see the original recovery. But there is the forum for posting the construction details. Then we can build the detector and watch the real functionment and recover targets exactly like the story from 1981. And then the LRL will automatically become in true for all who make the test!

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Is a very singular history in MD. Also arrive to USA in 1981 and there are, in Texas, 1,000 witnesses of the finds and detector capability. Also in Garrett factory....
USA ex Ambassador in Paraguay was witness (he was in the group) of electronic LRD and of the finds of 108 silver and gold objects and small platinum crowm inserted in the head of a saint image dispersed in an extense battlefield. At each find, he exclaim: "Incredivel! Incredivel!" Think was in 1978.
...This was exactly with me and other users of this kind of detector, observed by 1,000s, include Ambassador, etc.

These are great stories for a picture book with text of the history of treasure hunting and LRLs from Paraguay. It would also be good to hear the story of the gold watch in the factory, and the credit card story. You have many pictures to illustrate this book. I believe if you would make this book then many would buy it for their collection of treasure books.

If you ever decide to make this book of your treasure hunting adventures, then I will be happy to help you make translations to english with perfect grammar that all English speaking people will understand, similar to the magazines in English. I can also help you to improve the photos you have. See below:

[roberts]

B.S.

Even now you are not right. You are persistent in twisting facts and truth!?
Ivconic send me that schematic by email. After a while i decided to post it and that is all.

[roberts]

"Radio courses, radio-magistrate, radio-doctorate or similar is not in his programs electronic LRL..."

Hey Esteban..it seems you miss me much. Everytime i decide to let this subject and leave you to continue with your nonsences, you just continue with peaking!?
You must have huge problem being laic but not educated? Why?
Instead answering so many questions here, you are posting things nobody asked you to do?

OK, you do not respect me - it is obvious. But you also do not respect JPlayer,QUiaozhi and others here. They asking you very same question too, many times. You are stll here, talking stupid talks without giving proper answers.

All your photos (very stupid yoyo photos) are not proving a thing here.
Can't you understand???
I offered you cooperation here. I offered you piece. Again, c'mon post some real thing and ask questions, prove that i am not right.

Y O U C A N T ! Your devices are huge nonsence! B O G U S !
You just continue what Hung started - same old nonsences.

Like i said; you are twisting facts here constantly, Antreas send schematics to Ivconic on observation. Since Ivconic learned all about radio waves from me, naturally he send me schematics to see and say my opinion.
I observed those carefully and told Ivconic same as i posted here - those are nonsence, bogus..
But i made mistake, i posted those here without consulting Ivconic, should i or should i not.
Later i had problems with Ivconic upon those. He was pissed off much.
But i do not have regrets. For the first time here, members had oportunity to see REAL LRL schematics, although bogus and non workable, yet those calimed to be real working LRL.
Since you Esteban are absolute electronicaly illiterate, obviously you cant distinguish between schematic which make some sence and nonsences.
Stop anoying me by attackung here, instead be polite and ask here for help and you will learn something in electronics, for the first time in your wasted life - 29 years of locating coins at 4-800 meters!!!
You must contact Steven Spielberg and tell him your lifestory. He might make SF movie upon it!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

These are great stories for a picture book with text of the history of treasure hunting and LRLs from Paraguay. It would also be good to hear the story of the gold watch in the factory, and the credit card story. You have many pictures to illustrate this book. I believe if you would make this book then many would buy it for their collection of treasure books.

If you ever decide to make this book of your treasure hunting adventures, then I will be happy to help you make translations to english with perfect grammar that all English speaking people will understand, similar to the magazines in English. I can also help you to improve the photos you have. See below:

Thanks very much.

I think in a book with no much text, many pics, some block diagramms, etc.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Carl dictated the rules for the remote sensing forum. Here are the rules he dictated:
The instructions I give are the same method other people in the Geotech forums use to show how their detectors work. They show schematics and instructions to build their detectors. They do not hide the schematics and coil methods. Only people in remote sensing forum will hide the designs. This causes most watchers to think these detectors cannot be proven to work. When people see detectors that make extraordinary claims then they like to challenge like Carl-NC says .. "be prepared to get challenged".
But we cannot watch the real functionment and recover targets like the story from 1981. There is no time machine for us to go back and see the original recovery. But there is the forum for posting the construction details. Then we can build the detector and watch the real functionment and recover targets exactly like the story from 1981. And then the LRL will automatically become in true for all who make the test!

Best wishes,
J_P

This is in the case a X person decide to win the prize. Also I'm not electronic LRL seller or dealer.

True, you don't watch, but many people in USA (for example, Galveston...) watch. They are witnesses.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Hi Esteban,
Do you know what was so special about dilliger antenna? is this similar to your PD ?
Regards,
Fred.

Is a combination with coil. Isn't similar.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

Originally Posted by roberts

B.S.

Even now you are not right. You are persistent in twisting facts and truth!?
Ivconic send me that schematic by email. After a while i decided to post it and that is all.

Robert,
I have read the "dilliger" thread.There "papanic" sends the diagram,then you say it is you, after a few posts you say it is not but you give the responsability to another guy, then here you say again it´s you.
What should be believed?
It is not very important per se , but i cant understand you have posted a schematic that are not yours and lying about your identity.Was it the last time?
Fred.

[Fred]

Hi Esteban,
Sorry again i have one question, as you can see i am trying to understand LRL´s:
Is it important that you use a wooden enclosure instead of metallic? Maybe you could avoid interferences if using shielded box, like in many RF application?
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Hi Esteban,
Sorry again i have one question, as you can see i am trying to understand LRL´s:
Is it important that you use a wooden enclosure instead of metallic? Maybe you could avoid interferences if using shielded box, like in many RF application?
Regards,
Fred.

I think is better metalic, but based on iron. Iron plate in the box think stop better the interferences than aluminium, for example.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I think is better metalic, but based on iron. Iron plate in the box think stop better the interferences than aluminium, for example.

Ok Esteban,
This is unusual, normally the better the conductive properties the best for screening : aluminium, copper, silver(plated) then gold
So you made them in wood because you didn´t have the right size enclosure?
thanks,
Fred.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I think is better metalic, but based on iron. Iron plate in the box think stop better the interferences than aluminium, for example.

Hi,
maybe metallic is better...

But what about magnetic circuit you create with iron box ?
Doesn't it influence any signal coupling with coils etc ???

Kind regards,
Max

[roberts]

Originally Posted by Fred

Robert,
I have read the "dilliger" thread.There "papanic" sends the diagram,then you say it is you, after a few posts you say it is not but you give the responsability to another guy, then here you say again it´s you.
What should be believed?
It is not very important per se , but i cant understand you have posted a schematic that are not yours and lying about your identity.Was it the last time?
Fred.

Ha,ha,ha,ha!!! Pretty confusing! Isn't it?

What should be beleived? Good question! Right question! You should ask yourself more often that question, especially here, in this thread, dealing with this subject - lrl"radio" or whatever it is.
I posted schematic that are not my...how sweet! Let's count here ont this forum, how many people posted schematics that are not theirs!
Lying....Am i lying!? I do hide my real identity behind Roberts nick. You are using Fred nick. Can i say that you are lying here about your identity!?
Of course not. Nicks are that for here. There are few pepople here using their names in nicks. Carl Moreland,Sean Goddard, Ivconic(Ivica Conic), Okan (Okan Aydin), Esteban (Esteban Cabrera).....right now i cant remeber anybody else. So according to you all others here are lying about identity? Ha? I dont think so.
I dont see a reason why are you measuring and testing every of my words and at the same time you are ready to take every Esteban's word as ultimate truth? Why?
You want to beleive in his claims? Go, who's stoping you?
Dont say i am liar, this offends me much. Cose i never...and i will repeat again; i never posted neither one lie here. And you better beleive me.
If you dont, thats your problem not my. But do not say that here.
Again this will go in wrong direction. We keep forgeting main subject here.
Main subject of this thread.
You better stop worry about Roberts, and start thinking about Esteban's claims. Start asking from him some proofs. Or you are just ready to accept evrything from him without any doubts? It seems that way...

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Ok Esteban,
This is unusual, normally the better the conductive properties the best for screening : aluminium, copper, silver(plated) then gold
So you made them in wood because you didn´t have the right size enclosure?
thanks,
Fred.

Maybe because here in South America we have many wood. But some pistol has metalic enclosure, just the pink of the pic I was posted.

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

Hi,
maybe metallic is better...

But what about magnetic circuit you create with iron box ?
Doesn't it influence any signal coupling with coils etc ???

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max

Yes, you're right! Very important this! Just you mount the coil (in this case BFO + coil + circuit and RF circuit in the box made with wood ) and adjust after you fixed ALL the metalic pieces, include metalic box, screws, cables, also batteries, etc. Note that batteries and other metalic parts are near the coil, no as classical MD, in wich case coil/coils are far to metalic parts. This is very important to know for to design and adjust.

The same if you build a system based on I/B. See the pic.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Hi Max
Yes, you're right! Very important this! Just you mount the coil (in this case BFO + coil + circuit and RF circuit in the box made with wood ) and adjust after you fixed ALL the metalic pieces, include metalic box, screws, cables, also batteries, etc. Note that batteries and other metalic parts are near the coil, no as classical MD, in wich case coil/coils are far to metalic parts. This is very important to know for to design and adjust.The same if you build a system based on I/B. See the pic.
Regards
Esteban

That could be one more point to use metallic enclosure, so as long as position of enclosure is fixed batteries boards wires etc don´t matter any more, as they are inside .
About performances,any difference between wodd and metal?
Regards,
Fred.