some cosiderations

[Max]

Hi,
yes all interesting... but I cannot see anything new respect e.g. to Zahori... that are proved not working devices.

The fact that a spontaneous polarization could exist for a long time buried object doesn't mean that a zahori-like circuit can detect it, or pinpoint it etc.

When he said signal is AC he made a mistake. Electric field (if any) is static. What he does moving the zahori is just changing the antenna set direction to the target ... then getting some beep due to eventual E-field transients.

But what about e.g. electrical noise ? RF-noise ?
Everybody tested a zahori-circuit knows very well that these devices are almost unusable cause of the randomic beeping due to external noise.

As maybe someone here knows the USAF made such a device (a bit different but similar) to be integrated in AC-130 Spectre variants during second phase of Vietnam war.

Device was capable of detecting (from the sky!) the ignition sparks of e.g. trucks moving through the Ho Chi Minh "route" in north vietnam, by NIGHT.

If this is the principle of operation... wow... you'll detect any car passing near... any neon lamp... any far lightening etc etc etc and of course also RF noise, cause of the E-component of the EM wave.

Maybe it works for Esteban (maybe), cause there aren't noise sources... but a pratical LRL device can't find such conditions in too many places of the world today... so what's usefulness e.g. in UK or in Florida ?

I'm wrong ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Thank you Esteban.

Yes, a coil would not be the best receptor for this.

A thought occurs to me that might improve the sensitivity of the apparatus.

A differential front end preamp might do a better job of cancelling the first order and some of the second order noise. Each input of the differential amp would be fed from a different (but identical) antenna element and the two antennas are held perpendicular to each other.

Hi Rudy,
good idea. You can cancel differential noise that way... but there is a problem... you have to use one branch of diff. amp. to get "useful" signal from antenna-set so if there is some e.g. radiated noise... you'll get it as useful signal.
Same thing for e-fields local anomalies due e.g. to grass, moisture of soil, cars ignition sparks etc etc etc

You cut differential noise... but is only a fraction of the potential noise.

"the two antennas are held perpendicular to each other"

this could be useful... but think cannot resolve problems.

I'm wrong ?

Kind regards,
Max

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[Max]

Hi,
maybe someone forget older threads... posts by Esteban and others...
old stuff... serves nothing... can't find any gold but powerlines...

Some people here built them and get no results ... but just detecting noise.

Main problem was always AC fields by power lines... then all the rest of noise out there. Seems nobody found even known long time buried targets with them.

But if you don't belive my words...

here are some of the old schematics by Esteban, Carlos etc etc etc

are really easy to do yourself... do it... see with your eyes !

enjoy

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Max

here are some of the old schematics by Esteban, Carlos etc etc etc

Ok, now you have your schematic of LRL. Can we finally see the end of your clown postings begging for schematics?

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[Max]

Hi JP,
no !

I have them already... old stuff. Mounted one and saw same things as Ivconic, Michael etc.

No, no... these are not Esteban's designs

Carlos and Esteban posted them... but are from magazines... to find water flows etc

I asked him for one of his (original) designs and one that he claims working... detecting e.g. a coin on surface soil from 2 meters away.

Do you remember ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Hi,
now ... if you understand even a bit of spanish... look at his assertion about the "equilibrium" point you need to get a useful signal: the nulling of device is critical to avoid getting false signal from "environment".

Now think you are immersed in noise... RF-stations, power-lines... even cars... or opossums... do you think you'll never find the treasure that way ?

BS.

But I'm ready to change idea now... if someone gives me facts!

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Ok I guess we don't see the end of your clown postings begging for schematics.

One hint: Before you can get esteban to send you his schematic, you must first be smarter than esteban.

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[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Ok I guess we don't see the end of your clown postings begging for schematics.

One hint: Before you can get esteban to send you his schematic, you must first be smarter than esteban.

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J_P

Am I the problem JP ?

Oh sorry... you are the expert of LRL... very sorry.

[Max]

BTW I think he never heard of the AC-130 Spectre device I've described...
not so smart I think!

And you ?

[J_Player]

Hi Max,

I know nothing about smart. All I know is what I see.
The appearance I see is esteban holds up a hoop and you jump through every time. Maybe similar to a seal trainer making a show for people to watch the funny seal. But the difference, esteban does not throw you the fish after you jump through the hoop like the seal trainer. He tells you to go find your own fish. Instead of find your own fish, you return to jump through his hoop again.

But maybe I am wrong. This is only what it looks like to me when I see you continue to waste your energy try to get his schematic.

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[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Max,

I know nothing about smart. All I know is what I see.
The appearance I see is esteban holds up a hoop and you jump through every time. Maybe similar to a seal trainer making a show for people to watch the funny seal. But the difference, esteban does not throw you the fish after you jump through the hoop like the seal trainer. He tells you to go find your own fish. Instead of find your own fish, you return to jump through his hoop again.

But maybe I am wrong. This is only what it looks like to me when I see you continue to waste your energy try to get his schematic.

Best wishes,
J_P

I'm just relaxing with a funny topic... stressed by other things... you know.

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[Max]

Hi,
I cannot vote twice ! Can I ?

...about circuit... well they work for power lines very well...
so you can use e.g. to find wires in walls and similar stuff, I've made something similar in the past and are useful if you have to find where they are...without dismantle the house.

Here is the prototype by Esteban of the first one if I remember well...
even if sloppy I think it worked, but same of what I've made !

I hope he made better PCB now... better than mine I mean!

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Carlos and Esteban posted them... but are from magazines... to find water flows etc

Of course, and the Ivconic's implementation was based in it. If you read all the text, in the final part, is possible to find another kind of anomalies. The text assures that water flows into the earth and creates ionic interchanges.

Yes, also I said that these devices (like Zahori) is for use in inland sites, regarding interferences. No mistery here. I don't imagine excavating in the street with intense vehicular traffic or similar places.

Yes, Zahori works for treasure in inland. Someday a owner who bought a Ivconic's implementation will find treasure. I expect that Ivconic inform here.

Treasure is energy = interference for sensitive devices.

[Esteban]

Max, this is not all the circuitry. Only is the third part.

[Esteban]

A differential front end preamp might do a better job of cancelling the first order and some of the second order noise. Each input of the differential amp would be fed from a different (but identical) antenna element and the two antennas are held perpendicular to each other.


Rudy:

The unique source of noise I cancelled in other project (10 years ago) was for reject 50 Hz noises (60 Hz in USA) of electric lines, two active filters based on TL074.

Also I try lateral unbalanced antennas, but perpendicular. Center antenna is sensor, largest. Each lateral antenna is connected to 0 V via different value resistors. Also works.

[Max]

I'm the cure !

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Cure your non-conclude detectors!

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[Nihil Roma Maius]

Esteban:

This Max loose clarity in mind. He is not prepared for to discuss seriously.

Is well if he have experience in electronic LRL. But NO. Also ANY idea about it.

Margarita ante porcos.

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[Nihil Roma Maius]

This is only what it looks like to me when I see you continue to waste your energy try to get his schematic.


J_P Truth!!!

I some part of Max' post I read something about "stressed".

Max: Is not normal to post 30 times in a day, expending energy. Go and work, and finish all your non-conclude open projects, or part of these.

Res, non verba.

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[Rudy]

Thanks Esteban.

[Seden]

Good denezins of the world,I was looking up patents by one of my heroes-Anthony Barringer and came across his latest discovery. If you'll lookup patent #7,002,349-goto column 4,sentences 20-25 and then goto column 7 sentences 57-60 and finally column 8 sentences 23-31. The author mentions being able to detect polarized formations,be it oil or minerals,so Estebans claim to detecting a voltage gradient is observed here (or somewhat related). Also check out the introduction of section 2 sentences 13-28 whereby he explains the benefit of using .1hz-3hz over the usual AFMAG freqs. and how this system is used for the detection of induced polarization.
So let's see here,what icons could I sarcastically add,hmm . There,that ought to do it.

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P.S. It would be wise to read the whole thing and look at the figures.

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It should be further noted that all of the above expressions of electric signals 40 increase rapidly in amplitude at frequencies of 1 Hz and lower due to corresponding increases in amplitude of the telluric currents. The subject airborne exploration system 10 can clearly detect these effects of high contrast when using the water sensors 18 for detecting electric fields in a frequency bandwidth of 40 Hz down to 0.01 Hz....

Hmmmm.... Interesting...