some cosiderations

[Max]

better ?

[Max]

but maybe Esteban needs this to read Nihil's post the right way....

[Max]

but cause I'm so good guy... I report agian what Nihil said about HALO and LRL in big letters...

so you haven't buy anything....

Nihil wrote this

"Ehhh!!! Of course, and this is the reason why electronic LRL acts good with old targets. I found a couple of 34 copper coins –25 mm diam each– and comprobe how the surrounding earth was affected by copper migration... like electrochemistry, galvanization of the soil! This enlarge the size of the object/s. Maybe is not viewable in an only coin, but yes with 34 corroded copper coins...

Non ferrous causes more halo than ferrous. In aparience ferrous causes more because targets iron in general are more bigs."

So, do you read it now ???

So HALO is good or not for LRL ??? What a puzzle !
You say not, he say yes...
I say that LRL can't work both way !

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by esteban

this mean, you are scare if the scientific world said of you: "this is crazy". The same what happens when, in the past, some persons affirm that the Earth is round, when all assume that is square.

Hahahahahahaaaaa... I guess I was right. This is where esteban thinks Max belongs: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

[Max]

Hi,
another puzzle for you LRL guys... Nihil's post again,
he wrote:

"
J_Player

You're RIGHT!

Secondary phenomenom is the key. Sensitive electrometers demands a kind of shielding or own "atmosphere" as in the old glass vacuum tube.

Also can helps preionized gold. Smoke detectors with Americium 241 can be usable.

How appears gold in nuclear reactor, the modern Alchemy:

http://www.chemsoc.org/ExemplarChem/...bb/modern.html
"

Eh ? Now requires not only HALO, but also SHIELDING ?


Esteban you said that it doesn't require any shielding, don't you ?

ANOTHER PUZZLE !

Or an intentional disinformation ?

Esteban=Nihil ? I think so. They write at the opposite just to disinformate people here... to appear different persons old tricks from Paraguay ???

Try another !

Best regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hahahahahahaaaaa... I guess I was right. This is where esteban thinks Max belongs: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Hi JP,
you could do better... that way seems you gives help to a floundering Esteban or Nihil... from Paraguay...

I'm skeptic...

WHAT A DISCOVERY !

And you are on the way with all this nonsense.

Questions for you, great scientist:
HALO is good or not for LRL ?
Shielding is required or not , novel Einstein?

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by esteban

this mean, you are scare if the scientific world said of you: "this is crazy". The same what happens when, in the past, some persons affirm that the Earth is round, when all assume that is square.

Originally Posted by Max

you could do better... that way seems you gives help to a floundering Esteban or Nihil... from Paraguay...

I'm skeptic...

...So you agree too? You are skeptical about this round earth theory? Was esteban correct? you really do belong here? http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

...So you agree too? You are skeptical about this round earth theory? Was esteban correct? you really do belong here? http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
no I'm not belonging to that CRAP... and not belonging to Esteban like seems you are.

Here is another pearl by your Einstein, enjoy:

"
1,000,000 Randi's prize is for LRL rods, no for electronic long range detectors, please no mixing the thinks.

IR (infrared) + FM radio = 7 m in distance, depth for coin max. 50-70 cm.

IR + FM radio + magnetic absorption antenna = 25 m

And more and more combinations. Conclusion: an unexploded field with infinite possibilities.

Justly (and incredivel), electronic LRD can based in many systems, and ¡incredivel, surprise! nobody or almost nobody work in it in this forum.
"

Infrared+ FM radio ??? 7 meters.
IR + FM radio + magnetic absorption antenna = 25 m.

Explain that GENIUS.

And you still continue giving him credit here.
You are funny. Now if he's right let him explain you how to made this IR + otherCRAP, then go and win the challenge.

I think you'll better have to register at this...
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djubl...rthsociety.htm
maybe they could teach you some phisics.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi max,

You are confused. I have no argument against or for esteban. YOU are the one arguing about his circuits. When I read he compares you to people who don't believe the earth is round, then it makes me believe he thinks you belong here: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

If you think esteban's idea is wrong, maybe you should argue with him. I have no argument. I only laugh when I see something looks funny to me.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

Max, for you, halo is good for MD, and also you believe in it. If good for MD, why don't for electronic LRL? You need more than googles. But your case have not solution.

[Esteban]

Detection in coils and antennas or loops (electronic LRL) occurs by the spontaneous potential causes by conductive bodies. Is all you need to know.

You can read more here:

http://www.wellog.com/surface_sp.htm

And here:

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Detection in coils and antennas or loops (electronic LRL) occurs by the spontaneous potential causes by conductive bodies. Is all you need to know.

You can read more here:

http://www.wellog.com/surface_sp.htm

And here:

That is very interesting Esteban. But how does a coil or loop detect a DC potential, or a DC electric field of 1 Volt/Kilometer ?

Clearly running through the country side waving the loop up and down swiftly to cause it to sense this field does not sound too practical.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Max, for you, halo is good for MD, and also you believe in it. If good for MD, why don't for electronic LRL? You need more than googles. But your case have not solution.

Hi Esteban,
I still think you have a clue on many things e.g. BFO... and don't wanna be too polemic here but some of your posts are an insult to intelligence.

You wrote now :

"If good for MD, why don't for electronic LRL? "

So you make think people here that HALO could be good for LRL as in MD.. but using a question so actually say nothing.

But you wrote before in the HALO thread the following.

Seems you contradice yourself that way.

So is HALO good or not for LRL ? I still don't understand.
(Cannot find any usefulness of all this disinformation)

Best regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi max,

You are confused. I have no argument against or for esteban. YOU are the one arguing about his circuits. When I read he compares you to people who don't believe the earth is round, then it makes me believe he thinks you belong here: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

If you think esteban's idea is wrong, maybe you should argue with him. I have no argument. I only laugh when I see something looks funny to me.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,
oh yeah... laugh as you want! Is a good thing !

But you cannot explain these !

Infrared+ FM radio ??? 7 meters.
IR + FM radio + magnetic absorption antenna = 25 m.

Do you ?

So I laugh of both of you.

Oh yeah... sorry... you're not belonging to him... and have not arguments

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

******** VOTE NOW ********

1. is halo real or fake idea? Halo is REAL/FAKE
2. Is halo good for metal detectors? Good/bad for metal detector
3. Is halo good for long range locators? Good/bad for LRL

Post your votes below so we can use democracy to decide if halo works!

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

My vote:

1. Halo is real
2. Halo is good for metal detectors
3. Halo is good for LRL

Best wishes,
J_P

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

My vote:

1. Halo is real
2. Halo is good for metal detectors
3. Halo is good for LRL

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi,

1. for me, is real, but can't explain who it works, have no proofs, just ideas
2. yes when it comes from good targets (not iron), could make easier finding a target with an MD

3. is a problem... cause you have to find a working LRL first to say if halo could be good or not in searching for treasures: nobody untill now proved that LRL work... e.g. with a public demonstration, so I think that the question have no meaning untill someone show us a real working LRL and also the physics involved... if could be related to halo or not.

Kind regards,
Max

[J_Player]

No need to prove anything. This is only a vote, not a science class. You vote for what you want the halo law to be.

So far we have:

2 votes for halo is real
2 votes for halo works for metal detector
1 vote for halo works for LRL

Everybody vote so we can use democracy to find out if halo works!

Best wishes,
J_P

[Esteban]

1. Halo is real
2. Halo is good for metal detectors
3. Halo is good for LRL
And for electronic LRL.

[Esteban]

But how does a coil or loop detect a DC potential, or a DC electric field of 1 Volt/Kilometer ?

You walk with the device, you're a kind of electrode and when find a different potential, this glitch the detector, because concentrate metal is more strong than disperssed minerals or ores. Coils are working in AC. You must to move the detector slow. Each DC really is AC, since you put and quit the search coil during detection (movement), is a kind of "knock".

No need to plant an electrode 1 km away. For me, spontaneous potential of solid metal as a coin is very more than 1 V in the first impulse. But this occurs with items buried for long time.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Esteban

But how does a coil or loop detect a DC potential, or a DC electric field of 1 Volt/Kilometer ?

You walk with the device, you're a kind of electrode and when find a different potential, this glitch the detector, because concentrate metal is more strong than disperssed minerals or ores. Coils are working in AC. You must to move the detector slow. Each DC really is AC, since you put and quit the search coil during detection (movement), is a kind of "knock".

No need to plant an electrode 1 km away. For me, spontaneous potential of solid metal as a coin is very more than 1 V in the first impulse. But this occurs with items buried for long time.

Ok, if I understand you correctly, you walk at a normal pace, so fast motion of the coil through some quasi-static flux lines is not necessary.

I further understood from your above, that what you are really detecting is the transition from a region of normal "background" mineralization, to a region of concentrated metal. Moving the coil so it goes from sensing one region to the other creates the "glitch" in the coil that you sense and that is why you think of it as AC.

Did I understand right?

[Esteban]

Did I understand right?

Yes, is right. You must go through the phenomenom, because can't be reproduced in electronic labo (I can't). Good sites for to try is battlefields, always there are in these places conductive old items.

Because you're moving in different terrains, regions, atmospheric pressure, soil, etc., detector must be have external controls for to adjust in the best point.

Deppend of the sensibility (with stability) of the instrument, primary input circuit, you can discovery how strong can be a bronze bullett shield, for example, at 5-6 m, because expand the "signal" in an angle of 120º, also OVER the object, causes you can't centrate very well. You go out of this field, and "activity" stops. But this work with antennas, no coils.

[Seden]

Esteban,

Yur last posts-most clear explanations you've ever given about your system. Anyone who doesn't understand that doesn't need to know.
What you have described is EXACTLY the same way motion detectors work. Gotta move the coil or you will not hear the target-period.

So you mentioned that you do not use a coil but an E-field antenna which for this application would be the best as that's what you're after.

That being said I would imagine to detect spontanious Polarization or a difference in potential of a target would make it more a medium range detector. Very interesting though and I'd like to build one. Thank you for taking the time to make it perfectly clear to us all. I wasn't sure of what you were doing and was set to go off in another direction.

Very good Esteban, keep up the good work.

Randy

[Esteban]

Hello Randy

As the phenomenom is complex (but is electric and/or magnetic and also maybe re-radiate RF of different sources), the ways of detection also are severals.

Deppend of input circuit, telescopic antenna is very precisse and for more long detection.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Did I understand right?

Yes, is right. You must go through the phenomenom, because can't be reproduced in electronic labo (I can't). Good sites for to try is battlefields, always there are in these places conductive old items.

Because you're moving in different terrains, regions, atmospheric pressure, soil, etc., detector must be have external controls for to adjust in the best point.

Deppend of the sensibility (with stability) of the instrument, primary input circuit, you can discovery how strong can be a bronze bullett shield, for example, at 5-6 m, because expand the "signal" in an angle of 120º, also OVER the object, causes you can't centrate very well. You go out of this field, and "activity" stops. But this work with antennas, no coils.

Thank you Esteban.

Yes, a coil would not be the best receptor for this.

A thought occurs to me that might improve the sensitivity of the apparatus.

A differential front end preamp might do a better job of cancelling the first order and some of the second order noise. Each input of the differential amp would be fed from a different (but identical) antenna element and the two antennas are held perpendicular to each other.