some cosiderations

[FrancoItaly]

Hi All

- it's reasonable that ions or other signals they go 100 m. but not in the air, there is a better connection... the ground ! And so not a long range locator but a one meter locator or less it's necessary...

- as Esteban says many systems are good for the job, magnetic, electric, infrared...

- perhaps the circuit closing it's the body...

- Esteban's instruments and mineoro have a metallic handle ?

- transmitter coil is a sort of pump for a receiver coil ?

I'm studyng similar instruments but one problem it's gold targets buried for long time...

[J_Player]

Hi Franco,
Nice to see you back.

Originally Posted by Franco

I'm studyng similar instruments but one problem it's gold targets buried for long time...

You will find many locations for testing instruments on gold buried for long time at the cemetery. But not good for making a recovery there.

Best Wishes,
J_P

[FrancoItaly]

Hi J PLAVER

very good idea but it's very difficult for verification !!!

[Max]

Originally Posted by FrancoItaly

Hi J PLAVER

very good idea but it's very difficult for verification !!!

Hi Franco,
and what about old ruins of churchs ...related backyards etc ? I think you could find long time buried gold in similar places too, not only in cemeteries.

You could dig stuff without digging out bones...

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi Franco,
[quote=Franco]- it's reasonable that ions or other signals they go 100 m. but not in the air, there is a better connection... the ground ! And so not a long range locator but a one meter locator or less it's necessary...[quote]

I found a science website that agrees with your idea. They show how gold ions move in the ground and in the air too. When I study this science, I think it is maybe easier to find the ions after they reach the air, because no digging or ground probes necessary. The ions will collect in a convenient cloud and wait for you to find them 2 meters above the hidden treasure. Maybe you can build Ivconic's ion detector to find these ion clouds. See picture below showing ion cloud hovering above treasure from science website.

Best Wishes,
J_P

[Max]

[quote=J_Player;55841]Hi Franco,
[quote=Franco]- it's reasonable that ions or other signals they go 100 m. but not in the air, there is a better connection... the ground ! And so not a long range locator but a one meter locator or less it's necessary...

I found a science website that agrees with your idea. They show how gold ions move in the ground and in the air too. When I study this science, I think it is maybe easier to find the ions after they reach the air, because no digging or ground probes necessary. The ions will collect in a convenient cloud and wait for you to find them 2 meters above the hidden treasure. Maybe you can build Ivconic's ion detector to find these ion clouds. See picture below showing ion cloud hovering above treasure from science website.

Best Wishes,
J_P

Hi J_Player,
I have dubts on airborn ions migration from in soil solution. I think it is not possible have them in normal conditions and there must be some external condition(s) contribute on their creation...
E.g. a ligthening could maybe create a really small local amount of them from the matrix , if there are gold compounds inside matrix but their duration in free air could't be great and they would have a short life-span. Also in this case you would have much more stuff floating in the sorrounding air too.

I think that gold ionic detection in air is fake stuff cause nobody could trap gold ions (in any way) cause simply there aren't !

Is there some explaination of how they are supposed to be or how their migration from matrix is generated ?

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi Max,
I have doubts too. What I learn in the university tells me only a small unmeasurable trace of gold ion might find its way into the soil if lots of water and maybe chlorine salts, but not likely in air - same idea as you say. But hey, science is science! You can argue politics, but when science comes, I try to pay attention. Maybe this website is for new scientific concepts. This website has lots of new scientific discovery from the past 50 years. Good place to learn new things. You can read more here: http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/field01.php

Best wishes,
J_P

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Franco

- it's reasonable that ions or other signals they go 100 m. but not in the air, there is a better connection... the ground ! And so not a long range locator but a one meter locator or less it's necessary...

Originally Posted by J_Player

;55841]Hi Franco, I found a science website that agrees with your idea. They show how gold ions move in the ground and in the air too. When I study this science, I think it is maybe easier to find the ions after they reach the air, because no digging or ground probes necessary. The ions will collect in a convenient cloud and wait for you to find them 2 meters above the hidden treasure. Maybe you can build Ivconic's ion detector to find these ion clouds. See picture below showing ion cloud hovering above treasure from science website.

Best Wishes,
J_P

This is not from a science website.
This is pseudoscientific rubbish from Mineoro.

[J_Player]

Hi Qiaozhi,

I am so sorry, I wish this was a true science, then I could find gold ions in a convenient cloud to tell me where is the treasure. Grrrrrrr.....!

Ok, I will look for some real science for ions in the ground. Stay tuned.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Gold ions in the ground? Interesting research...

In recent decades scientists have been studying strange micro-organisms that move gold and other metals through the soil. These microscopic bacteria and fungi can convert dissolved gold into solid gold, and visa versa. There are several mines where gold nuggets were found to have been manufactured by microbes that converted gold ions dissolved in the soil into metallic gold, precipitated on the face of a growing nugget.

Does this sound hard to believe? If it is true, it means there are gold ions in the soil, and not just a few unmeasurable ions, but enough to make nuggets from.

According to geomicrobiologist Frank Reith, "...the precipitation of gold by micro-organisms, and thus in the biomineralisation of gold, which as recent evidence suggests has led to the formation of some of the world largest gold deposits."

But in addition to micro-organisms precipitating metallic gold, there are microbes that ionize and dissolve gold:

"In soils with high contents of organic matter heterotrophic bacteria and fungi appear to dominate the gold dissolution by excreting amino acids, low molecular weight organic acids (LMWOAs), cyanide or organic sulfur compounds. These molecules were shown to have the ability to dissolve native gold and act as complexing agents for the resulting gold ions."

Wet soil samples were incubated with these microbes, then gold pellets were added to the soil. After 20-30 days of incubation, up to 3 ppm of gold was found in solution, compared to none measurable in the sterilized soil samples with gold pellets.

Now, how do atoms from a gold pellet get into solution? They have to become ionized first! Thus it cannot be true that buried gold does not form ions. We are talking about small amounts (3ppm), But this is the amount measured in some small sample test areas after a month in the ground. The investigations into mine sites from the real world show that this process can happen on a much larger scale, creating nuggets that are very pure where microbes precipitated the gold (98% and better).

Not all gold nuggets are created by microbes. Many are formed with cooling molten rock masses. The gold formed by microbes is derived from these primary gold sources in the ground. But it has been discovered that there are many nuggets which have a rich outer gold shell, and a lower purity gold in the center. In some cases these were nuggets formed by molten gold cooling, then later, microbes deposited a layer of higher purity gold on the top surfaces.

Because it takes some time for these microbes to ionize buried gold metal and put it in solution with the surrounding soil, it tells us that long time buried gold is different than fresh gold that was recently put in the ground. In addition, there are microbes that will attack the other metals alloyed with gold like silver, copper, platinum, etc. According to these studies, some soil is richer in these gold-eating microbes than other soil, so we can expect some soils to show a greater difference between fresh gold and long time buried gold.

In the case of the other microbes that convert the ions back into gold metal, we will find gold nuggets that have ions around them being converted into metallic gold to precipitate and grow the nugget. These new gold nuggets may have similar halo properties as gold that is decomposing.

Check here to read this article:
http://crcleme.org.au/NewsEvents/New...USIMMReith.pdf


Here are more web pages with information about gold microbes:

Microbes manufacture gold nuggets: http://www.geotimes.org/sept06/NN_Microbes.html

Electron micrographs of microbes moving gold associated with Au(III) reduction:
http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/67/7/3275.pdf

Microbes convert dissolved gold into solid metallic gold:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...0_goldbug.html

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1032376.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0802103513.htm

Report says scientists have ascertained the microbe’s process converts approximately 1% of exposed gold per year.
http://sandersresearch.com/index.php...171&Itemid=102

http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev32_3/amazing.htm
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...15_283189.html


You will find thousands more reports on microbes that eat gold and other metals if you google for "gold microbe": http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...be&btnG=Search

So what do you think? Do these microbes help to locate long time buried gold and other non-ferrous metals?
Is this a good case for "the halo effect" on long-time buried gold and coins?

[FrancoItaly]

Hi All
It's very interesting what J PLAYER says, I think this is a scientific argument for long range detection. As very few gold ions, I suppose, are converted from metal gold, very small current, PicoAmpere range or less, are generated and it justifies the use of instruments based of very high impedance input. The 100 V/meter atmospheric voltage perhaps it suggests
the use of an equal artificial voltage but with opposite polarity to cancel the obstacle... by using a RF magnetic field we can to push ions from ground to the instrument... Well I think it's the description of Esteban's pistol !!!

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Gold ions in the ground? Interesting research...

In recent decades scientists have been studying strange micro-organisms that move gold and other metals through the soil. These microscopic bacteria and fungi can convert dissolved gold into solid gold, and visa versa. There are several mines where gold nuggets were found to have been manufactured by microbes that converted gold ions dissolved in the soil into metallic gold, precipitated on the face of a growing nugget.

Does this sound hard to believe? If it is true, it means there are gold ions in the soil, and not just a few unmeasurable ions, but enough to make nuggets from.

According to geomicrobiologist Frank Reith, "...the precipitation of gold by micro-organisms, and thus in the biomineralisation of gold, which as recent evidence suggests has led to the formation of some of the world largest gold deposits."

But in addition to micro-organisms precipitating metallic gold, there are microbes that ionize and dissolve gold:

"In soils with high contents of organic matter heterotrophic bacteria and fungi appear to dominate the gold dissolution by excreting amino acids, low molecular weight organic acids (LMWOAs), cyanide or organic sulfur compounds. These molecules were shown to have the ability to dissolve native gold and act as complexing agents for the resulting gold ions."

Wet soil samples were incubated with these microbes, then gold pellets were added to the soil. After 20-30 days of incubation, up to 3 ppm of gold was found in solution, compared to none measurable in the sterilized soil samples with gold pellets.

Now, how do atoms from a gold pellet get into solution? They have to become ionized first! Thus it cannot be true that buried gold does not form ions. We are talking about small amounts (3ppm), But this is the amount measured in some small sample test areas after a month in the ground. The investigations into mine sites from the real world show that this process can happen on a much larger scale, creating nuggets that are very pure where microbes precipitated the gold (98% and better).

Not all gold nuggets are created by microbes. Many are formed with cooling molten rock masses. The gold formed by microbes is derived from these primary gold sources in the ground. But it has been discovered that there are many nuggets which have a rich outer gold shell, and a lower purity gold in the center. In some cases these were nuggets formed by molten gold cooling, then later, microbes deposited a layer of higher purity gold on the top surfaces.

Because it takes some time for these microbes to ionize buried gold metal and put it in solution with the surrounding soil, it tells us that long time buried gold is different than fresh gold that was recently put in the ground. In addition, there are microbes that will attack the other metals alloyed with gold like silver, copper, platinum, etc. According to these studies, some soil is richer in these gold-eating microbes than other soil, so we can expect some soils to show a greater difference between fresh gold and long time buried gold.

In the case of the other microbes that convert the ions back into gold metal, we will find gold nuggets that have ions around them being converted into metallic gold to precipitate and grow the nugget. These new gold nuggets may have similar halo properties as gold that is decomposing.

Check here to read this article:
http://crcleme.org.au/NewsEvents/New...USIMMReith.pdf


Here are more web pages with information about gold microbes:

Microbes manufacture gold nuggets: http://www.geotimes.org/sept06/NN_Microbes.html

Electron micrographs of microbes moving gold associated with Au(III) reduction:
http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/67/7/3275.pdf

Microbes convert dissolved gold into solid metallic gold:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...0_goldbug.html

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1032376.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0802103513.htm

Report says scientists have ascertained the microbe’s process converts approximately 1% of exposed gold per year.
http://sandersresearch.com/index.php...171&Itemid=102

http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev32_3/amazing.htm
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...15_283189.html


You will find thousands more reports on microbes that eat gold and other metals if you google for "gold microbe": http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...be&btnG=Search

So what do you think? Do these microbes help to locate long time buried gold and other non-ferrous metals?
Is this a good case for "the halo effect" on long-time buried gold and coins?

Hi,
yes it is interesting. I start having thoughts on alternative halo generation when noticed that some worms (yes worms !) are really good detected by conventionals MDs, vlf but also sometimes PI. One time I dig something like 50 worms concentrated in a single spot at maybe 10cm depth.

So, I've supposed similar stuff... bacterial attack on buried metals and then worms collecting bacterials and also small amounts of metal ! So, seems that now we can say they exist!
I cannot make nothing but just guesses at that time... but now I'm pleased to know that these bacterial colonies exist for real. Nice.

I've also noticed that with an early designed vlf I could also detect plant roots... and I think same stuff involved... but maybe also "fungi" are involved there. You know they are simbiotic beings and sometimes bind their microscopic roots (thin white stripes) with grass roots or other plants too.

I know also that in some australian fields there are big nuggets just between tree roots ! But don't know if this is the reason... they are big nuggets!

So, I think that halo generation in ground is even due to chemicals... but not only chemicals in matrix, but now also due to micro-organisms in the matrix too. This would be important for gold halo generation cause gold is low reactive to most of the chemicals out there with just few exceptions, and bacteria/fungi interaction could explain how it migrates in solution... so in the matrix also in places where "right" chemicals are absent.

So "Is this a good case for "the halo effect" on long-time buried gold and coins?"
I think YES! IT IS!

Best regards,
Max

[J_Player]

Hi Max,

Originally Posted by Max

I start having thoughts on alternative halo generation when noticed that some worms (yes worms !) are really good detected by conventionals MDs, vlf but also sometimes PI. One time I dig something like 50 worms concentrated in a single spot at maybe 10cm depth.

Max, this is amazing. I have a hard time believing there is enough metal in 50 worms to make any metal detector signal. But maybe there is another explanation: Sometimes when you are hunting in mineralized soil that has high iron content, you can hear a signal when you find a hollow cavern - empty air space under the ground. What you are hearing is the anomaly of no iron in the air pocket. It is possible that 50 worms together can take a space in the soil to make a cavern that does not have the same mineralization of the surrounding soil. And maybe this is the reason you saw a signal. I really don't know the answer. But I have a hard time believing 50 worms have enough metal to show a metal signal unless the worms eat some jewelry.

The ionization that microbes make from buried metals contains less metal than the buried metal target. If this ionization makes a halo, then the halo is not double the signal strength of the buried metal piece, it is only a fraction more than the buried metal would signal when compared to freshly buried with no ionization from microbes. The improved signal of a halo may come partly from the metal ions, and partly from the electronic activity of the microbes and chemicals working around the buried target.

I have often wondered about the signal strength of long time buried treasure. I wonder this: We hear stories of a treasure hunter digs an old coin with a strong signal, then after out of the ground, they discover the signal is smaller. After the coin is dug, it is not possible to measure how much signal is remaining in the soil around the coin, because this soil has been dug and scattered on the surface -- no longer same matrix as it was around the buried coin. What I wonder is this... Suppose you have a method to retrieve the buried coin with halo, but not disturb the surrounding soil. If you can remove the coin without disturbing the soil, then you can take second reading with your metal detector to see how much signal remains from only the soil where the coin was removed, and halo from only the soil.

This would be very good data to know, for research to understand the importance of halo contribution to treasure detection. Maybe someone can discover a way to recover a buried target without disturbing the surrounding ground with shovels. I don't see any easy way, but maybe somebody else knows a good way to test for halo.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Seden]

What we're discussing here is the Geochemistry of gold. Gold very much spreads out in many ways besides in metallic form and one of them is ionic. Go to a University library and pull the book "The Geochemistry of gold and its deposits" Geological Survey Bulletin 280 by R.W. Boyle 1979.
Chapter IV entitled "Oxidation and Secondary enrichment of gold deposits". Or go to google and type in "Secondary enrichment of gold" or "Supergene gold". This is what forms "pocket gold" the old time prospectors were always after.
Now whether this ionic gold makes it into the air I dunno and if I get the chance I'll sit down and write a Geochemist or you can too.

We can theorize till we all die from Al Gore's Global Warming,but we need to contact someone who works in the field of Geochemistry. But yes gold very much spreads out that's why we use Geochemical Exploration (remember the Purple cassias test for the quantity of gold in soil?) means to trace gold back to it's source. I have taken "grab samples" of soil and sent them in to an Assayer for analysis. If you're not familiar with the term "Grab sample" google it. There's some good papers on Economic Geology. If we study up on these things it will further our ability to come up with better ways to detect gold or whatever metal as far as science will allow us.

Randy

[FrancoItaly]

Hi All
I think that it is not important if gold's ions go into the air. They are important to create a ground battery with another metal or mineral. This process it takes many years if the distance is remarkable but it's scientifically possible. The probleme is to measure a difference of voltage of a battery with only pole to disposition.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Max,

Max, this is amazing. I have a hard time believing there is enough metal in 50 worms to make any metal detector signal. But maybe there is another explanation: Sometimes when you are hunting in mineralized soil that has high iron content, you can hear a signal when you find a hollow cavern - empty air space under the ground. What you are hearing is the anomaly of no iron in the air pocket. It is possible that 50 worms together can take a space in the soil to make a cavern that does not have the same mineralization of the surrounding soil. And maybe this is the reason you saw a signal. I really don't know the answer. But I have a hard time believing 50 worms have enough metal to show a metal signal unless the worms eat some jewelry.
J_P

This "50 worm signal" is more likely due to an incorrect ground balance setting than worms producing gold. If there are enough worms concentrated in a small area, the signal from the ground matrix would fluctuate as the search head passes over this anomaly and produce a false response.
Or is this really a joke? For instance - how many worms does it take to produce one gold ion? Answers on a postcard please...

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by trebor

Hello friends!
I am new member here, need help about lrl. Does those things really works?
I am tired of conventional md's...so low depths! Any chance to go deeper than 30cm's on coins? I saw Hung and Estebans fantastic claims!!!???
Is it possible? If it is,than how can i get those?

According to Carl Moreland, owner of this forum, no lrl works. He has tested many lrls including the Mineoro models that Hung says will find gold, and he discovered it does not find anything except electronic noise from his electric fence. You can also read some tests that Carl made when he opened up some lrls here: http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/...le=reports.dat
Also look here for tests on the Mineoro FG80: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...ad.php?t=12226 Look at the complaints from the owners of the Mineoro like Carl, vcrb, neronc, and look at the electronic diagrams they found when they opened the LRL. According to Carl and others, the electronics are rubbish, not capable of finding treasure.

I have read postings from many owners of lrls who say they wish they could have back their money because they do not find any treasure from their lrl. Carl, Qiaozhi, and many others have said these are all false detectors that do not find treasures. Because of what they say, I would ask to see a demonstration of a lrl finding the treasure that you hide before you pay money for it. I have found nobody on earth who is willing to demonstrate any lrl finding a treasure in front of you. I know of nobody who will show you how to find a treasure in person using their machine. Not a manufacturer or an owner of an lrl. Not anywhere on earth. But the dealers are happy to take your money if you want to buy one without testing it first.

To answer your question: "Is it possible? If it is,than how can i get those?"
I believe it is possible. But I doubt the LRLs currently on the market can give acceptable results, because the builders of these machines don't seem to know much of the true dynamics of the signals they are sensing. For example, it is pretty simple to prove there are no gold ions hovering in a cloud 7.2 feet in the air above a buried treasure like one manufacturer claims. The only way I know you can get a LRL that works is to build it yourself, or find someone who can build one that works for you.

If I knew of any reliable LRLs that have been built or are in use today, I would not be talking about them in this forum. This forum is a geotech forum, designed for people to share technical information, not a forum to keep trade secrets safe.

J_P

[Nihil Roma Maius]

So, the halo and ions are the flatulence of microbes causes by gold-indigestion? (only is a joke, calm!!!)

how many worms does it take to produce one gold ion? Answers on a postcard please...

This has relation with an old theological Medium Era discussion:

How many angels can dance in the head of a pin?

But here is the solution:

http://headofapin.net/

But the angels also CAN to sing and pray at same time! Risum teneatis!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Nihil Roma Maius

So, the halo and ions are the flatulence of microbes causes by gold-indigestion? (only is a joke, calm!!!)

Actually, the halo and ions produced would be considered the feces of microbes, while the deposition of metallic gold would be considered the feces of other microbes. The flatulence of microbes is thought to be a gaseous by-product of digesting gold and other minerals. According to several studies, the flatulence of microbes contributes to the accumulation of toxic gases that must be ventilated from mine shafts. If there are any gold atoms in these gaseous discharges, I suppose they could be called "the golden fart".

[Seden]

Franco,
The method you described is called Spontaneous Polarization and would be good to google it. I have a paper Dr.Charles E. Corry sent me from his article in Geophysics,Vol.50,NO.6 (June 1985) entitled "Spontaneous polarization associated with porphyry sulfide mineralization". Locating sulfide deposits (which is usually associted with lode minerals) but also graphite and high grade anthracite coal. Now there are gold sulphides along with copper that I know of but to separate gold from all these can't be done with just SP alone.

J-Player,very good links regarding the microbes that produce metallic gold and even nuggets! This Roma Maius is just trying to be a jackass and which is consistant with those who do not share in the technical discussions so must be shunned by the group.

Randy

[Max]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Max,


Max, this is amazing. I have a hard time believing there is enough metal in 50 worms to make any metal detector signal. But maybe there is another explanation: Sometimes when you are hunting in mineralized soil that has high iron content, you can hear a signal when you find a hollow cavern - empty air space under the ground. What you are hearing is the anomaly of no iron in the air pocket. It is possible that 50 worms together can take a space in the soil to make a cavern that does not have the same mineralization of the surrounding soil. And maybe this is the reason you saw a signal. I really don't know the answer. But I have a hard time believing 50 worms have enough metal to show a metal signal unless the worms eat some jewelry.

The ionization that microbes make from buried metals contains less metal than the buried metal target. If this ionization makes a halo, then the halo is not double the signal strength of the buried metal piece, it is only a fraction more than the buried metal would signal when compared to freshly buried with no ionization from microbes. The improved signal of a halo may come partly from the metal ions, and partly from the electronic activity of the microbes and chemicals working around the buried target.

I have often wondered about the signal strength of long time buried treasure. I wonder this: We hear stories of a treasure hunter digs an old coin with a strong signal, then after out of the ground, they discover the signal is smaller. After the coin is dug, it is not possible to measure how much signal is remaining in the soil around the coin, because this soil has been dug and scattered on the surface -- no longer same matrix as it was around the buried coin. What I wonder is this... Suppose you have a method to retrieve the buried coin with halo, but not disturb the surrounding soil. If you can remove the coin without disturbing the soil, then you can take second reading with your metal detector to see how much signal remains from only the soil where the coin was removed, and halo from only the soil.

This would be very good data to know, for research to understand the importance of halo contribution to treasure detection. Maybe someone can discover a way to recover a buried target without disturbing the surrounding ground with shovels. I don't see any easy way, but maybe somebody else knows a good way to test for halo.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_Player,
I know that seems impossible... but after digging that worms they sounded when their mass (were a lot) was on the coil !
Belive me it's incredible I know... and also geb stuff I've also thought is not a right explaination of the fact. Don't know why but they sounded... of course... with plant roots yes maybe was geb tuned out or something else... cause after making the holes and collected roots on the coil no sound was generated.

I don't know why that worms sounded. I noticed in same place, with a PI detector (GS4) same thing!

What to say... I don't know why it happens and just in one place till now I've noticed that strange thing happen ! In other places no... yes found many worms too but never sounded !

When I saw your post about bacteria I thought that this could be the cause... but maybe are the worms themselves... their structure...I don't know.

Anyway, it's true... and remains for me a big borderline argument

Best regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

This "50 worm signal" is more likely due to an incorrect ground balance setting than worms producing gold. If there are enough worms concentrated in a small area, the signal from the ground matrix would fluctuate as the search head passes over this anomaly and produce a false response.
Or is this really a joke? For instance - how many worms does it take to produce one gold ion? Answers on a postcard please...

Hi Qiaozhi,

"Or is this really a joke? " ehm

No... it seems a joke cause worms are involved... but I don't know why they sounded... SOUNDED FOR REAL! This is the problem... I cannot say why and so guessed that they could got ions or something from ground.
(maybe iron oxides ??? Who knows ???)

Really I don't know why.


Just to complicate things...
Field is located in an old mil airbase... that suffered from heavy bombing during WWII. Lot of scraps of iron and many things... iron... steel... brass... copper... a lot them! (and who knows maybe gold too!)

Best regards,
Max

[Nihil Roma Maius]

I suppose they could be called "the golden fart".

This is the main reason you can't use Tesla-spark system... You can explode...

[Nihil Roma Maius]

Now, most serious. Some years ago I built a nanovoltmeter attached to a short antenna. This has in output an audio generator. I was surprised that detects changes in sites with natural (type tubular) holes. I suspect that the air compressed in it has a small voltage, maybe also causes false alarms in metal detector, is a kind of halo, very well detectable by regular MD, but you NEVER will find the target. Another extrange think detectable by this nanovoltmeter is bamboo roots!

Many years ago we found a small treasure in a silver container. Over the treasure there was a stone. When we up the stone, the compressed gas, yes THE GAS, when out with sound sssshhhh!!!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Nihil Roma Maius

Now, most serious. Some years ago I built a nanovoltmeter attached to a short antenna. This has in output an audio generator. I was surprised that detects changes in sites with natural (type tubular) holes. I suspect that the air compressed in it has a small voltage, maybe also causes false alarms in metal detector, is a kind of halo, very well detectable by regular MD, but you NEVER will find the target. Another extrange think detectable by this nanovoltmeter is bamboo roots!

Hi Nihil Roma Maius,
If you are measuring differences of nanovolts in the air space above the ground, the composition and topography of the ground can have an influence in the variations of the signals you measure. First, keep in mind there is approximately 100v/meter voltage gradient in the atmosphere that is powered by gamma and other space energies acting on the ionosphere. This means if you look at a flat ground that is uniform with no buried objects or underground anomalies, you can expect the electric charge in the space above that ground will increase about 100 volts with each meter increase of altitude. And this gradient will be uniform above the flat uniform ground area.

What happens when you walk into this flat ground is you become part of the ground through electrical contact of your feet (not perfect contact depending on shoe materials and moisture). But you cause an anomaly in the voltage gradient found in the air, similar to how a mountain will move the ground potential upward into the space gradient.

Also consider that not all ground is flat or uniform. If you have a flat dry ground with a large mass of conductive ore concentrated in a hole at the surface, then this conductive area will be expected to show as an anomaly in the voltage gradient above it, localized around the hole, and can be detected with sensitive instruments designed to measure the space charge, or voltage gradient among other techniques.

In the case of bamboo roots, these are like long tubes that concentrate water, and are often more conductive than the surrounding soil if the bamboo is growing in relatively dry soil. The more conductive roots and the part of the plant above ground can be expected to act as a grounding rod for the local charge gradient in the air. Consider that in a flat sandy area, the top layer of dry sand could be expected to be an insulator with similar conductivity to the air above, and the 100v/meter space charge may continue into the dry sand below the surface. But when the gradient goes deep enough to find higher conductive damp soil or conductors that are connected to damp soil, then we can expect the gradient to drop to the ground potential.

Now if you find a metal object or plant roots that are surrounded by less conductive soil, and also in contact with more conductive soil, You can expect the location of these roots or metal objects will show a voltage gradient anomaly in the air that you may be able to measure with your sensitive instrument. This would be also true of caverns and air tubes in the ground, which would normally be expected to be less conductive than the surrounding soil. The less conductive locations would show a higher positive charge anomaly rather than more negative like conductive objects. These hollow spots in the ground could be detectable the same as conductive objects with a sensitive enough instrument, and depending on the soil conditions.

A concentration of mineral ions or other ions in the soil could also have some influence on the local space charge in the air above these locations. I would expect ionized gases to quickly dissipate their charge in the neighbouring soil to reach a relative ground potential. But in the case of large tubes and vents, I am not so sure a mass of ionized gas could not exist. I still think it is more likely that you would detect a voltage gradient anomaly in the air above because of ionization in the soil, not from ionized gas.

I would be interested to know the details of the nanovoltmeter you built. In particular the physical configuration of the probe and any shielding or reflectors, and electric connections to measure the charge and grounding used, if any. Also, did you use any circuitry to avoid measuring noise? I presume you used a high impedance input FET and several stages before reaching the audio section.

Best wishes,
J_P