Gravitator small but powerfull

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by michael

Hung, about over- tuning I should tell no, even one time didn't happen. we are not novice in this to be unfamiliar to devices adjustment or balancing. in all cases we turned back 10 or even 20 number from border SENS, but after searching area for a while it suddenly started crazy behaves and continuous beeps.
and after exiting the place kept beeping unless to lower SENS much more, after readjusting in out of the hot place couldn't get signal again it has gone, we did everything and exact what you mentioned here, the results were same signal disappeared or got a crazy behave. we experienced this in all areas and places. what is this except to defect?
you remember from my last search expedition, we got a typical signal, this time it had gone and we didn't notice it to be focused by our pinpointers. one time get such signal it's being repeated a few times and then disappears.
what a frustrating!!! It was dug for more than 2 years ago and abandoned there unfinished and sometimes of searching expedition we passed there and saw there inattentively, only this time as we had patience to search by FG scanned there and encountered it.Didn't you say the GIG is for fresh gold not old buried? there we were not searching for fresh object.
By this time FG80 was doing its' job as the best, now it needs other thing? other thing puts

Hi Michael,

It must be abundantly clear to you by now, after all this testing, that you are simply wasting your time with this trash. The FG80 randomly beeps for no apparent reason. The user is tricked into reading something from this erratic behaviour, even when the beeping doesn't make any sense. This is partly due to a desperate desire to justify the exhorbitant cost of this device. The only thing you really get for your money is a nicely polished wooden box and a lot of dashed hopes.
You should demand a refund...

[hung]

Hey Qiaozhi, please don't be a pest.

I'm trying to help Michael here and the last thing we need is someone sneaking in with a negative attitude saying nonsenses about wasted money.

Let's make something clear. You dont own any Mineoro detector, so you don't have the slightest clue or credit to make a coment about it. It's all 'guesses'... Michael owns his FG for several months now and despite of that he did not find any treasure yet. And you say you had a FG in your hands for short a time maybe an afternoon? Yet, dares to say it does not work?
What authority do you have to state such untruth?
Just because Michael still did not find what he intends does not necessarily means he won't. If and when he happens to find a treasure with his FG will it still be a 'waste of money'?

Take this guy's case for instance:
http://www.mineoro.com.br/new/detect...ro/crispin.php

http://www.mineoro.com/goldDetectors/findingCrespin.php

So Michael 'wasted' money and this guy did not?

I talked to him a couple days ago to exchange experiences. He is a field researcher like I, Dell, Michael and others here. Not an 'armchair' T.hunter like you. He told me he's proud of his detectors and he's very fond of the FG80 his latest acquisition, which enabled him to discover gold veins and nuggets in Brazil's central region. His other findings are listed in that link.

You and other skeptics here must understand that treasure is not everywhere and quite possibly is somewhere else other than where it is tought. If there ain't any treasure the device simply won't detect. Does it make it a scam? Gimme a break...
We al know what you and others think about LRLs. Note that I said 'THINK' because you are not a user.

I have long quit joining empty discussions as yours above simply because I got fed up and realized it would lead to nowhere. So please, don't interfere on the attempt of us owners to help each other. I could have privately emailed Michael, but I decided to answer him here so other users can possibly benefit.

Thanks.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

You dont own any Mineoro detector, so you don't have the slightest clue or credit to make a coment about it.

I own one... wanna hear my comments about it?

- Carl

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

I own one... wanna hear my comments about it?

- Carl

Provided that you list your records of expeditions, field research, ground covered, regions researched, method of research, dates, and results I would like to hear yes.

But I doubt you would meet even a few requirements above due to your regular job which has nothing to do with TH and your notorious reputation spread all over forums like this one.

I'm aware that many ionic detector users still have not found anything so what?
Does this mean the detector is a scam???!!
You already know my thoughts.
The link I provided covers one of the many users I know who were sucessful.
In the end it's all a matter of time.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by hung

Provided that you list your records of expeditions, field research, ground covered, regions researched, method of research, dates, and results I would like to hear yes.

But I doubt you would meet even a few requirements above due to your regular job which has nothing to do with TH and your notorious reputation spread all over forums like this one.

I see... sounds like only full-time professional treasure hunters are qualified.

So tell me, Hung... is there any kind of test, at all, that can be done with the FG80, that will demonstrably and convincingly show it will detect gold?

If I test it with 10 ounces of fresh gold, it does nothing. If I test it with 3-1/2 year buried gold, it does nothing. Yet it seems to be quite good at picking up multipath RF.

Please suggest a test that will convince me this thing is not a scam.

- Carl

[hung]

First of all, I don't want to be labeled as a Mineoro advertiser which I'm not. Again I have no intention of promoting Mineoro. Never did. However I know the detectors work as I had plenty of evidence already. So I can only refute it's a scam which I know it's not. This is what I've been doing here in this forum in the past. Trying to advocate for a cause not for a company.
So I think it's clear and with that said let's proceed bellow.

So tell me, Hung... is there any kind of test, at all, that can be done with the FG80, that will demonstrably and convincingly show it will detect gold?

'Convincingly' is a word that can have many meanings in your case since as I said, you are a notorious 'anti-LRL' proponent.

First you would have to check if your device is working normally. I can think of 2 prelimary check ups to determine this. One is the fluorescent lamp test and the other is the car break light test. Both previously described by me above.
If it's ok, then next step would be going in the field. This is the hard part for you as you would to know before hand a location where there's long time buried gold. It could be natural or placed by man.
Dell Winders when testing the GDP model confirmed that it beeped in targets he already had determined with his devices. In your case you would have to figure out a way of performing this procedure. Maybe a gold location you already know.
As for fresh gold, see next.

st it with 10 ounces of fresh gold, it does nothing. If I test it with 3-1/2 year buried gold, it does nothing. Yet it seems to be quite good at picking up multipath RF.

After a relative long time dealing with the FG80, my opinion is that fresh gold detection is not a rule it's an exception. This is due to special conditions to be met for this to happen.
The FG I was using is presently at factory to have the GIG added. But this time they want me to go there for some days of instructions on how to use it.
One of my team members told me he spent some days there in december for full instructions and is very pleased the way it's detecting fresh gold now. He said it was quite of an evolution.
So under certain circunstances you might detect your gold bar with your present model, but you are the only one who will know when this happens.

Three year and a half for a buried gold produces virtually no ionic field. If it does, it's too weak. Despite of that if you set it on edge of calibration you will hear beeps.
If you want to simulate a natural ionic condition, you can bury your gold bar for instance along with a spoon of salt and cow****. Wait for about 3 months and it will produce a detectable ionic field. Not so strong as a natural one, but detectable. Note that I have never done this. I was just told by Mineoro this would work.

Regarding RF, yes, it's prone to this interference. But only if you are close to the source. If there's a big mass of long time buried gold under a RF tower for instance, the field will be detected from a large distance which is not the RF emanation. Test this with a regular RF tower and you will see it will stop beeping at it as distance increases.

[Great_Alex]

If I test it with 10 ounces of fresh gold, it does nothing. If I test it with 3-1/2 year buried gold, it does nothing. Yet it seems to be quite good at picking up multipath RF.

Do you ever test Gravitator ?
I Promise you it work with fresh gold or silver among tons of iron or other metal.you can test it and see how it make attraction?

About the Mineoro : All the detectors have some error signal even Em Metal detectors or GPRs or ....I don't believe that every beep means a new treasure even when we well calibrated the device.but i know it can help a treasure hunter among the mountains and hundreds hectares of land to find some hot place.if we know where's the treasure why we search for it ?

do you believe that LRLs have no attraction ?( no matter to gold or void or water ...)
is it or not ?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I'm trying to help Michael here and the last thing we need is someone sneaking in with a negative attitude saying nonsenses about wasted money.

In fact, we are both doing the same thing. I was simply trying help Michael recover his wasted money by suggesting he request a refund.

Originally Posted by hung

...so you don't have the slightest clue or credit to make a coment about it. It's all 'guesses'...

You are incorrect. There is no "guessing" here. It's called "science", although it appears you unaware of it's existence.
Gold does not emit ions, even if you bury it for a million years. The theory behind the FG80 is pseudoscientific nonesense.

Originally Posted by hung

Michael owns his FG for several months now and despite of that he did not find any treasure yet.

Why are we not surprised. Poor Michael - so much wasted time and money.

Originally Posted by hung

He is a field researcher like I, Dell, Michael and others here. Not an 'armchair' T.hunter like you.

Strange - I though mental map dowsing (as promoted by Dell) was an ideal armchair activity.

Originally Posted by hung

We al know what you and others think about LRLs. Note that I said 'THINK' because you are not a user.

Hmmm... let me think about that... why would I want to be a user of a non-working device based on psuedoscientific technobabble?
No - sorry. Can't think of a reason.

Originally Posted by hung

I'm aware that many ionic detector users still have not found anything so what?
Does this mean the detector is a scam???!!

Yes - it's a scam.

Originally Posted by hung

Again I have no intention of promoting Mineoro.

????? In reality you do nothing but promote Mineoro. That is why you've been accused by others as being a Mineoro employee. You certainly come across as having a vested interest.

Originally Posted by hung

Dell Winders when testing the GDP model confirmed that it beeped in targets he already had determined with his devices.

That's not a valid test.
None of the targets were recovered. You cannot use one non-working device to justify the results of another non-working device.

[Rudy]

What a thought provoking reversal in the burden of proof.

Of course it works as advertised. Hung was kind enough to post
links to two Mineoro testimonial pages. That proves that it does
work. Mineoro wouldn't make something like that up. It would be
a scam if it did.

Therefore, no valid scientific explanation of how it works is needed.
All it takes is a positive attitude and as Hung said .... a little horse****.

[Great_Alex]

I found new gravitator not for gold , for finding human.
maybe it's good for Mummy detecting .

http://www.dklabs.com/products.html

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

I found new gravitator not for gold , for finding human.
maybe it's good for Mummy detecting .

http://www.dklabs.com/products.html

You need to read this ->
http://skepdic.com/refuge/dkl.html

[Max]

Hi,
even if it find mummies... (and I seriously dubt it can do that) ...
then this is the "treasure" ?

A mummy ? Don't understand.

If you are not a TH it's ok... I mean if you are an archeologist to find mummies... you could be interested in that.

But, talking of money, if the mummy is of some poor man of the ancient times... and then you don't find any gold or anything "good" with it... what's the purpose of searching for mummies ?

You can find many e.g. in some governative offices I think... politicians and people flying around power places tend naturally to mummificate themself.

Oh yes... you can sell also a mummy in some places... I'm sure that's so... in the ancient time of archeology (e.g. in Egypt ) people sold mummies to scientists and museums, or private collectors, no news... and still today think is possible in some exotic places but man... a mummy of e.g. a poor person is not really appealing to any museum I think, and the same for a collector.

Or maybe you wanna sell some to chinese -traditional-medical shops... e.g. of hong kong ??? Cause they actually still use/sell products based on mummies tissues!

How to sell a mummy ??? On ebay ???... there is people that could buy even this I think !

What a business ! I prefer the old LRLs that find nothing to one that just find dead people !

Best regards,
Max

[Great_Alex]

Dear Max

Maybe you're right. I don't know it works or not , maybe that was just an advertisement !

About Mummy , I know, Mummy of poor and unknown person doesn't cost ; all the Mummies from famous person have a Plate usually of pure gold that identify mummy and a mummy without identification is nothing.

I'm not a mummy seeker but in Egypt and somewhere in middle east people searching for mummies, it's just an idea for those that searching for that I prefer searching for gold only gold .

And about LRL:

I use of some kind very powerful TDEM device that can locate treasures from distance many farther that I need . it's range is 10 meter on middle size and over 50 meters on big size treasure. but no ion detector or such ….

But between LRL with no doubt gravitator works but not perfect , better test it .

Best regards

Alex

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

But between LRL with no doubt gravitator works but not perfect , better test it .

Best regards


Alex

You obviously didn't bother reading this then?

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You need to read this ->
http://skepdic.com/refuge/dkl.html

[J_Player]

I read the test protocol shown in Qiaozh's links and I see it is a double blind test made by Sandia Laboratories to see if this device could be useful to identify human intruders: http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN04-2...tor_story.html

The test Sandia Labs conducted looks suspiciously similar to Carl's $25,000 LRL test. The same test that Dell and hung claim is not a good test, and it only a promotional device. Does this mean Sandia Labs is in the business of promoting themselves? Does this mean double blind testing should not be trusted by anyone and we should rely on what the manufacturers and their promoters say?

Is the information the manufacture gives us better than the information we learn from the results of a double blind test?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Great_Alex]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You obviously didn't bother reading this then?

It's just a test about DKL . it's not depend on Gravitator .
and for me the gravitator successfully pass the tests , it can detect real old buried treasures , maybe not so far as factory claim and even have some faults , i found it's a useful device but working with that need an expert oprator .
it's better for you that have some real experience .

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Great_Alex

i found it's a useful device but working with that need an expert oprator . It's better for you that have some real experience

So you say the expert operator who came from the factory to make the real experience test with real people watching is no good? You say the gravitator is not the same instrument as the DKL instrument? You say the real blind test with real hidden people and real people watching at the Sandia Laboratories is no good?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Great_Alex]

Dear JP

i don't say that double blind test is not good , you said it don't work cause it faild on test when people watching that , you're right but when you can absoloutly deny working of something you most prove that it doesn't work at all , at anytime and anywhere , but if it works only for one time you can't say that it doesn't work . i don't have any experience on DKL but the gravitator passed the test for me , maybe it doesn't work good some times that i don't know why but some times it's very sensetive to even fresh gold targets and for me happend that i found treasures by gravitator maybe it doesn't happen for someone else ,so i can't telling you it doesn't work at all even when faild on double blind test .
it's my opinion and i don't claim that i'm right .

best regards
Alex

[Earthworm Jim]

Gravitator is s.h.i.t. Same as Electroscopes....Nothing!

[Esteban]

Hi Great Alex: Do you think Gravitator is in the category of the LRL rods?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Great Alex

you said it don't work cause it faild on test when people watching that

Hi Great Alex,

I did not say that. I only asked you if you think this is what it means. I do not know if it works or not. And I cannot know until I see it making attempts to work. But I ask you because you have experience with LRLs and maybe can tell the answers.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Great_Alex]

Hi

Originally Posted by Esteban

Do you think Gravitator is in the category of the LRL rods?

Yes , it's like other electroscopes LRL rod , not like FG .
i don't belive most of LRL manufactor claims .
the most major question is : ' does the attraction of LRL rod realy exist or it causes by unbalancing ?

1. skeptics say unbalancing of LRL that causes by imagination pretend LRL to work not a real attraction exist .

i know the attracion of LRL is not form imagination , but may have faults on requested target . it means when using of a gold sample the LRL rod find a hollow space into ground or maybe detect ash , ancient pottery ,oot of an old tree ... !

i myself found many iron rusty junks (even a hunting knife) and graves in the ground when searching for gold by an old LRL ( very simple it was full of mercury ) , when i put the gold sample in the LRL chamber and i respect finding gold not such rubbish ?!

but i didn't see a LRL that when calibrated for gold then detects only gold and has no fault attraction even gravitator sometimes confuse and detects undesirable targets.

best ragards
Alex

[roberts]

I had chance to test Gravitator. No way to work at all!
Actually it is Electroscope but modified - new design,looking pro...
Nothing! Not working - bogus...Wasted money!
Maybe i had wrong model on testing?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Robert

RObert is back! Boom shaka laka!
But this time:
No name-calling.
No taunting.
No badgering.
No cussing.
No rude or derogatory pics.
DEAL IS DEAL!

.

[roberts]

Yup!
I havent forgot those beauties!
Most beautifull photo, ever posted on this forum!
Refreshing,refreshing!
Best regards!