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[Seeker]

Originally Posted by sisco

GTK

I have for making not buy because i am not very rich .

meanwhile very difficult for buy because it is illegal in this location and

for buy and use need to sanction so better make it.

Hi Sisco,
I think you live somewhere in ex-USSR . So , the best way to lose your money is buying LRL or something like this, or sending money abroad.
To get good MD, contact somebody famous from this forum , close to you (for example ask KT315), make a trip to him and bring MD back to home. May be trip will be more then 4000km long , but " igra stoit svech " .

Regards

[sisco]

HI michael

you are very clever . i think about this.

and about guider 3000 you guess about this price 400-500$ or ask from

somewhere ?

[sisco]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Hi Sisco,
I think you live somewhere in ex-USSR . So , the best way to lose your money is buying LRL or something like this, or sending money abroad.
To get good MD, contact somebody famous from this forum , close to you (for example ask KT315), make a trip to him and bring MD back to home. May be trip will be more then 4000km long , but " igra stoit svech " .

Regards

HI seeker

the LRL is very good for use because is small stuff but many member in this

forum told LRLs is junk and can't work.what you think.

if you test it and answer say?

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by sisco

HI seeker

the LRL is very good for use because is small stuff but many member in this

forum told LRLs is junk and can't work.what you think.

if you test it and answer say?

I have some experience with LRL and I say it is junk - this is not working unit.
There are many storytellers about how-to-use LRL ,too many theories how LRL work and not yet working device !
In fact only the box of LRL is looking good, inside is junk!
Read "REMOTE SENSING" of this forum for more information.

[Qiaozhi]

Hi Michael,

When I read your post below I thought we had eventially converted you from the Dark Side.

Originally Posted by michael

Guider 3000 is the same electroscope,....nothing else and its' price is not more than 400-500$ I know Knouzm guys they are master of swindlers I hate them all some *******s, meanwhile price of one thing is not a reason it's perfect or ideal. sometimes some homemade and cheap are much more better and useful than one delusive shapely made by a firm or factory.
when you notice to the claims:
__ the device searches for the following metals ( gold , silver , copper, brass diamond , iron , lead , pearl ,aluminum and water ) .
__ front rage of 1259 m.
__ survey a complete open land of 1000 meter range and shows if precious and important things exist or not.
__ ........
this is exaggeration...

But then ... I read this ->

Originally Posted by michael

now here one 300$ DDL can do the same job and if combine it with a good transmitter what a better.
Although as I said before I know and I'm sure many people around the world ( at least here) have succeeded and succeed by these kind of detectors they are people who really believe their device and don't disappoint
themselves with sentences like: it's a whole junk, it never works, or basically and scientifically LRLing is nonsense, with these thoughts you even get no satisfying result from conventional detectors( e.g. one MD).
in PDF file you saw one guy had found by Lectra search, as he believed it, made some practice and went for a serious search.
this is a rule for most cases.
but working and finding is not as easily as sellers claim.
I say one thin everyday :" if you believe in ,you can move mountains, if not, can't move even one gravel.

It seems that we still have some work to do.

Originally Posted by michael

Maimoune, the fantastic device you are searching for as Carl said is wish and dream for all of us, but you should make a good selection from each kind of detectors to approach yourself to success as near as possible. One device never suffices unless for some superficial coin shooting.
For DDL see here: http://www.omnitron.net/del_prod.htm

This is also junk. Don't waste your money.

[Morris_jo]

Hi All :


Is GTI 2500 able to find GOLD in 5 - 7 meter Depth ?


Is this True :

Graphic target imaging is totally new to the world of treasure hunting. Imaging is the ability of a detector to measure the size of buried and concealed metal objects and report that information to the detector user ?

What about this :

The GTI 2500 gives you both the size and the actual depth of the targets you locate ?


And this too :

A depth multiplier is a specialized searchcoil designed to detect large and deeply buried targets, such as money caches, relics, safes and ore veins. Unlike a regular searchcoil, the transmitter and receiver portions of the depth multiplier are spilt into two compartments, thereby widening and deepening the detection field so that more information about a detected target can be retrieved and processed. Because it ignores small pieces of junk metal, the depth multiplier is especially useful in areas with a lot of trash.


Pls Helps Out ...

[michael]

Sisco, my purpose was if these detectors be at optimum condition not deserve to pay more than 400-500 $ as I have used some of them and can daringly tell do the same job that DDL(300$) do.
(azize dele baradar to inja omadatan masaele teori mibini ta amaili)

Qiaozhi, what I tell is not based on theories or scientific justification, are completely based on my own gotten results and experiences without any quotation, narrator or interceder, now from your standpoints it's overruled or not is another thing and never can't change my opinions which have been shaped based on those experiences. of course working with these kind of devices are not as easily as one conventional detector like one MD and need so much practice. those just accelerate your search but are not complete as none of available detectors are complete.
You or other skeptics believe or not, I'm not trying to make money or ad for any body or firm but when I know something that I'm sure about don't spare others and I hate to lie and can't bear lie.

Morris jo, If you want "everything detector"; metals, minerals, rocks and hot-rocks, ceramics, bricks,mud bricks,.... look for between Whites and Garret detectors they make the best in this case.

[Delbert grady]

Dear Sisco and chums on this thread, I have searched that site pictured above with Mineoro FG80. Never got a signal even using Dicky Spy screen.
If you ever go there you will see my name on left hand pillar in marker pen.
" Delbert was here " If there are secret service men about I prefer map Dowsing from the safety of home. No problem with Dicky Spy as well.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by michael

Qiaozhi, what I tell is not based on theories or scientific justification, are completely based on my own gotten results and experiences without any quotation, narrator or interceder, now from your standpoints it's overruled or not is another thing and never can't change my opinions which have been shaped based on those experiences. of course working with these kind of devices are not as easily as one conventional detector like one MD and need so much practice. those just accelerate your search but are not complete as none of available detectors are complete.
You or other skeptics believe or not, I'm not trying to make money or ad for any body or firm but when I know something that I'm sure about don't spare others and I hate to lie and can't bear lie.

Hi Michael,

Yes - I realise you are speaking from firsthand experience, and that you do not have a vested interest in promoting this dowsing and LRL nonsense. That's why I respect your input to this forum, and try not to "bash" you too much.
It is clear that you have had a bad experience with LRLs and have even wasted some money on this junk. Eventually it is my hope that you will leave the Dark Side all together and come to terms with the reality that these devices just do not work. It is well known that dowsing (either in the field, or with maps) is the result of the ideomotor effect. This is a mind trick that mediums and other charlatans use to good effect with ouija boards, table tipping, pendulums, and (of course) dowsing. The ideomotor effect, when coupled with the mind's wonderful ability of selective memory, can make you believe something is true when it is not.
Perhaps you just need a bit more time. We'll get there in the end.

[sisco]

Originally Posted by michael

Sisco, my purpose was if these detectors be at optimum condition not deserve to pay more than 400-500 $ as I have used some of them and can daringly tell do the same job that DDL(300$) do.
(azize dele baradar to inja omadatan masaele teori mibini ta amaili)

i know for make this device maximum need to 200$(parts price)

and remnant of price 5000% gain for manufactury.

and last line i can't understand mean (is this chat language).

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Morris_jo

Hi All :


Is GTI 2500 able to find GOLD in 5 - 7 meter Depth ?


Is this True :

Graphic target imaging is totally new to the world of treasure hunting. Imaging is the ability of a detector to measure the size of buried and concealed metal objects and report that information to the detector user ?

What about this :

The GTI 2500 gives you both the size and the actual depth of the targets you locate ?


And this too :

A depth multiplier is a specialized searchcoil designed to detect large and deeply buried targets, such as money caches, relics, safes and ore veins. Unlike a regular searchcoil, the transmitter and receiver portions of the depth multiplier are spilt into two compartments, thereby widening and deepening the detection field so that more information about a detected target can be retrieved and processed. Because it ignores small pieces of junk metal, the depth multiplier is especially useful in areas with a lot of trash.


Pls Helps Out ...

Here's the link to the Garrett GTI 2500 ->
http://www.garrett.com/hobby/products/gti2500data.htm
This detector does not give you a picture of what's underground. It provides an intelligent "guess" of the depth, plus an estimate of the object's size. It does this by having an extra coil in the search head called the imaging coil. The onboard microprocessor can then correlate the readings from the normal receive coil and the imaging coil to make these estimates.
I very much doubt it could detect anything at 5 to 7m depth, even with the depth multiplier.

[michael]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Hi Michael,
Yes - I realise you are speaking from firsthand experience, and that you do not have a vested interest in promoting this dowsing and LRL nonsense. That's why I respect your input to this forum, and try not to "bash" you too .......Perhaps you just need a bit more time. We'll get there in the end.

Hi Qiaozhi, thank you for your kindly statements.
in this spring I will tell all our definite deductions and results about this affair (especially about FG80), but sometimes some things happen that change our previous deductions or thoughts e.g. about OKM products that you saw my compatriot results and still no convincing answer how it's possible, whereas before that we as well as me didn't believe them and knew them as bogus.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by michael

Hi Qiaozhi, thank you for your kindly statements.
in this spring I will tell all our definite deductions and results about this affair (especially about FG80), but sometimes some things happen that change our previous deductions or thoughts e.g. about OKM products that you saw my compatriot results and still no convincing answer how it's possible, whereas before that we as well as me didn't believe them and knew them as bogus.

No problem. Good luck with your investigations.

[maimoune]

HI ALL ...
AM LOOKING FOR DELL DDL PHOTOS AND PRICE .
WHAT ARE THE GOOD DETECTOR FOR TREASUR HUNTER LONG RANG LOCATOR... DEPTH ... ONLY GOLD AND SILVER

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by maimoune

HI ALL ...
AM LOOKING FOR DELL DDL PHOTOS AND PRICE .
WHAT ARE THE GOOD DETECTOR FOR TREASUR HUNTER LONG RANG LOCATOR... DEPTH ... ONLY GOLD AND SILVER

There are no detectors available that can detect only gold and silver, and definitely no long range detectors either (despite the advertising).
However, there are some metal detectors that are designed to be more sensitive to either gold or silver. These are induction balance designs that use a higher than normal transmit frequency. Trying looking on the websites of Garrett, Minelabs, Tesoro, etc.
In your case, I suspect you are looking for a deeply buried treasure cache rather than gold nuggets, so these types of detector will probably be of little use.
If you want to see the reality of detecting a 1kg hoard of coins at a depth of 64cm, then look here ->
http://www.garysdetecting.co.uk/hoard_test.htm
LRL, DDL, MFD, whatever - forget it, they are just scams.

[maimoune]

Hi Qiaozhi...
thank you
we have here in my country meny treasur and all depht are 3meters ... 5meters. my detector TM 808 is not good .Am looking for a small detctor like mineoro , DELL DDL .

[Jim]

Originally Posted by maimoune

Hi Qiaozhi...
thank you
we have here in my country meny treasur and all depht are 3meters ... 5meters. my detector TM 808 is not good .Am looking for a small detctor like mineoro , DELL DDL .

The Dell DDL is a dowsing contraption, and not a detector. Save your $$$ and bend a coat hanger into a L-Rod for the same results.

[michael]

Maimoune , I wrote for you, what did you notice? the address for DDL is here:
http://www.omnitron.net/del_prod.htm and its' price is 300$.
prepare one transmitter for that or buy it with the transmitter that Dell sells and is matched for DDL (X_scan).
but it's necessary to know These are not complete, combine it with a good powerful Metal detector that most are made in Germany take a look for DTI Genesis here:
http://www.detector-trade.de/English/DTI-Puls.htm
or search for Lorenze Deepmax X3.
Based on one report (that I have just heard not seen) in Greece, in combination one kind of homemade LRL with Deepmax X3 one precious gold object has been found at 150 Cm depth.
bear in mind that none of detectors are complete you have to have some of them, unless you deice to coin shooting, then one metal detector can be good, I exactly know and understand your situation and what you are searching for.
and without any malice want you or any other person around world especially in middle east succeed. when I hear one man in one point of world has found an object , honestly joy and enjoy as if I myself have found it.
I tell you friendly ; none of White's or Garrett or other American brands (at this class) are useful, don't waste your money for these trashes I know all , of course the latest Minelab detectors ( made in Australia) are somehow good, but I suggest you; only prepare your MD from the German I wrote. you won't sustain a loss. Good luck.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by maimoune

Hi Qiaozhi...
thank you
we have here in my country meny treasur and all depht are 3meters ... 5meters. my detector TM 808 is not good .Am looking for a small detctor like mineoro , DELL DDL .

If you are looking for a handheld detector with incredible depth, then look here -> http://www.nexusdetectors.com/
Especially if you have the Nexus Ultima ("monster") coil. This can detect a 30mm coin at 80cm. http://www.nexusdetectors.com/NexusUltimaproducts.html
It's expensive, but it does work!

[ivconic]

About Garrett GTI 2500;
I owned it for 3 years....
Yes, Qiaozhi is right. "intelligent "guess"" is just proper term for functions installed in this
nice machine. Very,very nice detector in case you are prospecting! Remember this!
But in my case (since i am only interested in coins), this machine was not quite good choice for
my needs, therefore i sold it after 3 descent years of prospecting with it.
There are 2 (two) RX inputs in this detector, for 2 RX coils. There are 2 (two) OP37 op-amps which
separatelly receive signals from RX coils. In case of using coil with only one RX (Scorcher) other
- unused RX is coupled to ground due eventual hums it may produce....
About depth;
well it depends of many factors, but for sure you cant detect anything on 5-7 meters with it!
No chance. GTI 2500 is VLF I/B detector very good for detecting medium and large sized objects
on, not more than 1-1.5 meters depth (my own experiences)...
Of course i found much coins with it also, but comparing with other good coinshooters, GTI 2500 is
nothing special...
Also, GTI 2500 lacks of accurate discrimination of targets deeper than 40-50cm....which is the case
with almost all VLF's on market today...(White's DFX is a bit better in this case).
Estimating the object's size and depth is the major GTI2500 advantage over many other simillar
detectors, which makes it very good choice to work with. Those functions are more than 70% accurate.
About Nexus.....i am not sure....according to advertisements it is very deep...but having already
bad experiences, i can not be sure in those. Simillar case was with Anker...."So deep","so deep" and
at the end it turns to be "deep" only in the air. When put on the ground, under real conditions it
turns to be uselless due huge instabillity, producing a bunch of false signals all over arround!
It should be payed a huge attention on this! Many people are confused about many devices....
Laics and beginers are testing detectors mostly in air, gaining good results....
But the very same machines showed quite different performances on the ground.WORSE !
I know a man, here from Serbia, who is mountebank. He uses to import already prepared kits from
Bulgaria. Assembling those, making bad DD coils and selling those as "Extra" deep detectors!
Mostly he present his "products" at his home, with already good "prepared" conditions, so those
detectors are showing very good performances! Infront of very unexperienced customers, he is
showing coin detection in the air, on over 40cm range!
He also prepared a piece of ground infront of his home as "test field". He burried a copper
plate 40x40cm on 60cm depth. Covered with 20cm soil. Over the top of that he put an ordinary
coin...at 40cm depth. So when you want to check his detector....ha,ha,ha...of course it will
detect! It looks like detector detected a coin....while real truth is that copper plate is detected.
Ha,ha,ha.....I hope this story of mine will not give "some ideas" to some of you!?
Fighting with peoples like one mentioned is so hard for me. I am trying to sell my VLF's honestly.
My VLF is capable to detect single coin (2cm)at 22-25cm in the ground, which is very good result with
20cm coil diamm. So when i advertise my detectors with its performances, people are laughing on
me....mentioning that mountebank with "performances" of his "extra" detector.....
So, after this and many simillar experiences....what man can think and say here?
I do not beleive a thing, until see with my own eyes, and do some tests.....on my own.
I have luck to say that i owned many detectors so far. Worked with all of those for some period..
I have luck to own descent experience on the field with those.
I had chance to test and work with : White's Eagle II, White's DFX, White's Classic 3, Garret GTI2500,
Fisher 1266, Fisher CZ5, Fisher CZ7, CSCOPE 1220B, CSCOPE Metadex, Atlantis Imperator, Minelab Relic
Hawk, Minelab Musketeer Colt, Minelab X-Terra 70, Minelab Explorer SE, Bounty HUnter (several),
Compass (several), Pulse Star II, Snifer XR7 (DBP 2010).....and many more i forgot.
So i have very simple resume.....or message to everybody interested here:
NONE OF MENTIONED MODELS HERE IS NOT CAPABLE TO DETECT SINGLE COIN DEEPER THAN 40CM IN THE GROUND!
NONE OF MENTIONED MODELS HERE IS NOT CAPABLE TO ACCURATELLY DISCRIMINATE COIN UNDER 25CM IN THE GND.
NONE OF MENTIONED MODELS HERE(EXCEPT P.STAR II) IS NOT CAPABLE TO DETECT ANYTHING UNDER 1.5 METERS
IN THE GROUND ACCURATELLY, NO MATTER SIZE OF COIL!!!
When i said 1.5 meters, of course most of mentioned models are not capable to reach even that!
Best performance showed Minelab Relic Hawk...by detecting small roman oil lamp (10cm x 5cm) on
95cm depth....with very accurate discrimination to non-ferrous !!!!!

So, friends, do not be angry on me due my claims, but this is REAL,NAKED TRUTH!
I do not beleive in Nexus......sorry Quiaozhi, my friend. As i understood, Nexus is small,
independent,private manufacturer (Bulgarian...but in London)......
I do respect efforts of any one single conversant man today....but...let's do not fool ourselves!
Gigantic companies like White's, Fisher, Garret and Minelab done so far almost everything what
can be done !!! PERIOD!!! Does anybody even dare to think that some small independent manufacturer
can be smarter and produce better device than those giants...????
What do you think; how many,the very best EE's, are working in those companies? Every day! Every
hour! So much experiences! So much good conditions for work,experiment,test....
Let's don't fool ourselves friends! Please!
If you want to see what is "edge of progress" in metal detecting, you only have to take latest
product and check it. For example, let's take White's DFX as reference. Or Minelab SD2200...
Performances you may see with those machines are REAL "EDGE" of progress in metal detecting
so far! Trust me!
Of course be awared what are you testing and at what conditions. Do not test "coinshooter" as
detector for prospecting or relic hunting, and vice-versa!
Do not mix "apples and bananas" please!
Do not compare some deep PI with some refined beachcomber....and simillar. Come to think; maybe
this is the main reason why so many people are confused these days in this subject???
Who knows?

Moris Jo....if you want 5-7 meters depth....than forget conventional MD's....Switch to something
else for example...How about OKM Gems or Mala Ramac...and everything in between.
Here in Serbia we using to say; "Much money - much music!!!"....
i can only add: "No money - silence"!
regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

If you are looking for a handheld detector with incredible depth, then look here -> http://www.nexusdetectors.com/
Especially if you have the Nexus Ultima ("monster") coil. This can detect a 30mm coin at 80 cm. http://www.nexusdetectors.com/NexusUltimaproducts.html

It's expensive, but it does work!

Nexus says that can detect a big coin at 80cm on air. I believe that it can't detect the same coin in the ground deeper than 30 cm .
For 25 years the detectors do roughly the same (see Classic )
Who is the magic recipe of Nexus ??????

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Geo

Nexus says that can detect a big coin at 80cm on air. I believe that it can't detect the same coin in the ground deeper than 30 cm .
For 25 years the detectors do roughly the same (see Classic )
Who is the magic recipe of Nexus ??????

Hi Ivconic and Geo,

Ivconic - I agree with everything you said in your long, long... post, except about Nexus.

Geo - "What is the magic recipe of Nexus?" - Quite simply, it is the fully resonant double-O coils that make the difference. Georgi will openly tell you this fact. It takes him many hours to hand-build each coil, and this is the "secret". It is also a very difficult and time consuming thing to do, as the coils can easily go out of tune if you don't know what you're doing. I have personally used the Nexus, and it is not as easy as some other detectors to setup and use, but the detection depth and discrimination is exceptional. Georgi laughingly calls it the "Complexus".
So yes - a small independent manufacturer can produce a detector that outperforms models from the major manufacturers. Basically, it's too costly to construct fully resonant coils and still make a profit if you are a large company.
One of the problems with the Nexus is back ache, from digging so many bloody deep holes.
It is true that the Nexus cannot detect the same coin 80cm in the ground. This is true for all detectors. On average there is a loss in depth of about 30%, so it would be just over 50cm in the ground, depending on ground conditions. Also, note that this was with the huge Ultima coil which is 87.5 x 50 x 2.5cm !!
By the way, I hope to have the opportunity soon to test the Nexus Coronado, which is supposed to be simpler to setup.

[ivconic]

Looking forward.....

Regards!

[Morris_jo]

Hi Ivconic :

How are You ?

Firstly : Thnks 4 you to provide such Tests on different detectors " Gti 2500 " for my specific question .

Even all the models " Minelab , Garrett , Whites , Fisher ...etc " Had almost 80% Failure !! in your Tests .... it`s really Dissapointing that we are now in the year 2007 , Still the technlogy used in MDs provide weakness and not reliable or even accurate.


To provide the Truth, My whole search depends on the following Facts :

1- Location Type : Rocky mountains, mostly Ancient places.

2- Depth Range : 3 meters to 8 meters "Special big treasures" .

3- Search Subject : Gold, Pure gold, ancient Kingdoms Treasury , GOLD .


I am really still have hope in MDs , But the other type : " 2-Box MDs ".

I have found 3 types :

* Fisher Gemini 3 .
* Whites TM 800 or TM 808 .
* Discovery TF-900 .

All the information i have found claims that : it`s possible to find old big large buried objetcs in the ground ( Gold, Silver ) with a depth range of " 1 meter to 6 meter at maximum " .

so what about my search ?

3 Gold Boxes (1 Box contains:12 Kilograms of Gold plates)?

5 Gold Boxes (1 Box contains:15 Kilograms of Gold caches)that belong to the Autuman Empire ( 1890 - 1920 )

What Kind Of Detector i have to USE ?

Finally : OKM is fine with me, they have the lastest technology to find Buried Object "GOLD and Silver" with accuracy depth range that reaches 40m ! Wow

But they are Very Expensive 4 me ( more than 20.000 $ ) !!


P.s : where i can find TF-900 manuals ?



reply my post with suggestions , ideas , thoughts ,and answers will be very important for me

anything ....


Thanks to : carl 4 replying my e-mails and to Ivconic too .

[ivconic]

Now it is more clear....
Well, OKM Gems is not so expensive, some 7000 euros which is aprox. $9000...
But if this you cant afford, than i suggest you White's TM808...Some people claims it is not good device, i have oposite experiences; very good and deep detector, only you have to know how to adjust it....
Gemini is a toy comparing to TM 808.....TF900 also....
wish you luck!
regards