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Old 12-31-2017, 10:56 AM
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Please accept my apologize for asking many questions.I want to know what kind of signal must be on the antenna what frequency and amplitude.
What here on the forum we call "phenomenon" is not recognized by "official" science and I know very little about it. I can broadly explain how my lrl works: a signal of 8Mhz (I have successfully tested in the 2.5 - 10Mhz range) is amplified many times by TR2 / TR3 / TR4. At the base of TR2 the signal of the internal oscillator (8Mhz) is mixed with that coming from the antenna and on the emitter of TR5 there is a DC voltage which increases in amplitude in the presence of the "phenomenon". As Esteban said, without a doubt the most authoritative expert in this field, even an FM receiver that is not tuned to a channel functions as an lrl. Also my lrl is not tuned to a particular frequency, in fact we can use for L1 two or three turns and for C10 10pF or 22pF or 33pF or nothing (the parasitic capacitance between base and emitter of TR2 is always present).
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Old 12-31-2017, 06:13 PM
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Franco used the aluminum plate on the antenna?
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Old 12-31-2017, 08:55 PM
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Old 01-01-2018, 11:33 AM
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Franco used the aluminum plate on the antenna?
no
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:49 PM
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Hello Franco Circuit should have two parts or one part
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:54 PM
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Why in Iran some friends have been happy with this device and others have not yet made any conclusions. Are there any changes to this circuit?
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:00 PM
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Hello Franco Circuit should have two parts or one part
Sensor stage and display stage, but one PCB (Dream_Man)
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:03 PM
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Why in Iran some friends have been happy with this device and others have not yet made any conclusions. Are there any changes to this circuit?
This is for me a real mistery. Perhaps an imperfect calibration or a not good target for tests.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:13 PM
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what are the errors in our pcb, what are the particular thing in dream-man design ???

is this PCB correct, (mustefa modified ) ???
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:14 PM
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:20 PM
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what are the errors in our pcb, what are the particular thing in dream-man design ???

is this PCB correct, (mustefa modified ) ???
I have not tried this PCB. My PCB is Ok, perhaps not professional but it's almost impossible that self oscillates.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:20 PM
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Hello my friend, did you build this circuit?
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:23 PM
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Hello my friend, did you build this circuit?
I said that I not tried this PCB, but the schemas is correct.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:27 PM
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what should it be far away and from what, so that we do not have a self oscillation ???
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:32 PM
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what should it be far away and from what, so that we do not have a self oscillation ???
As I said many times, the lrl has a very high gain and for me it's better to use a single PCB
for sensor stage (better is it's double face). If the gain is poor the lrl cannot reveal the phenomenon also is all parameters are OK.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:45 PM
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the fact that I have the sky effect, I do not think I have a low gain, I will put a piece of aluminum connect to the ground between the sensor and the display ,
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:47 PM
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the fact that I have the sky effect, I do not think I have a low gain, I will put a piece of aluminum connect to the ground between the sensor and the display ,
If you have not only the sky effect but also the compass effect the gain is good, not necessary other changes.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:51 PM
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I also have the effect of the compass, the led lights up towards the south .
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Old 01-02-2018, 07:52 PM
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This is for me a real mistery. Perhaps an imperfect calibration or a not good target for tests.
You can give a full explanation of the calibration, thanks so much
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:50 AM
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You can give a full explanation of the calibration, thanks so much
Here the helps
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:27 AM
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Thanks c10 should also be set to l1?
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:35 AM
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Thanks c10 should also be set to l1?
in my lrl works well in the range:
for L1 2 or 3 turns
for C10 from nothing (there is always the parasitic capacitance base/emitter of TR2) to 33pf
(that's 10 or 15 or 22 or 33pF)
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Old 01-05-2018, 08:18 AM
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Hello
Dear All.
In 8Mhz version, i can't find D1 and D2 (1N414P). Please introduce an alternative.
Thanks.
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:08 AM
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1N4148 not 1N414P
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:16 AM
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Thanks my friend.
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