Eliminator E-120

[mustefa ubram]

hi to all
Who knows, based on performance Eliminator E-120.How to remove the metal is worthless?
please explain
tank you

[Sneshko]

Well... This is something new!
Here's a video with YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Omon7TMf-LQ

This is ... a PCB:



User Manual is here:

http://www.deparltd.com/eng/html/uru...266&urunid=623

Enyou!!!

Regards!

Sneshko

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Sneshko

Well... This is something new!
Here's a video with YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Omon7TMf-LQ

This is ... a PCB:

User Manual is here:

http://www.deparltd.com/eng/html/uru...266&urunid=623

Enyou!!!

Regards!

Sneshko

This is clearly a simple circuit containing a variable oscillator that drives a shift register to flash the LEDs. Another trap for the technically-challenged dowser.
It's called the Eliminator, because it eliminates money from your wallet.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

This is clearly a simple circuit containing a variable oscillator that drives a shift register to flash the LEDs. Another trap for the technically-challenged dowser.
It's called the Eliminator, because it eliminates money from your wallet.

Well, it must be worth at least $20 or $30 if you include the enclosure around it.
Those parts are not free, right?



Best Wishes,
J_P

[mustefa ubram]

Originally Posted by Sneshko

Well... This is something new!
Here's a video with YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Omon7TMf-LQ

This is ... a PCB:



User Manual is here:

http://www.deparltd.com/eng/html/uru...266&urunid=623

Enyou!!!

Regards!

Sneshko

tank you very much dear sneshko for reply
What is number Integrated Circuit ?(18 pin) and transistors?
What works on the basis of scientific?
best wish

[Mike(Mont)]

The device is used to create interference and weaken the signal line from a frequency generator. You have to use L-rods first to find the discriminated signal line between the MFD (Molecular Frequency Discriminator) frequency generator and the suspected target. Then you insert the device in the ground on the signal line and adjust it until you can no longer detect the line with the L-rods. This gives an approximate weight/size of the target depending on where on the dial the target is no longer detected with the L-rods. Many targets detected with the frequency generators are micron sized particles and these are not worth digging but they are very easily detected with the L-rods because all the particles combined have a large surface area and they resonate with each other. Compare this to a gold bar, there is less surface area and no extra resonating. Without some sort of weight cancelling device there is no way of knowing if the target is worth digging or not.

The one disadvantage I see with this device is it takes a long time to check each signal line, but it's a lot less work than digging.

[mustefa ubram]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

The device is used to create interference and weaken the signal line from a frequency generator. You have to use L-rods first to find the discriminated signal line between the MFD (Molecular Frequency Discriminator) frequency generator and the suspected target. Then you insert the device in the ground on the signal line and adjust it until you can no longer detect the line with the L-rods. This gives an approximate weight/size of the target depending on where on the dial the target is no longer detected with the L-rods. Many targets detected with the frequency generators are micron sized particles and these are not worth digging but they are very easily detected with the L-rods because all the particles combined have a large surface area and they resonate with each other. Compare this to a gold bar, there is less surface area and no extra resonating. Without some sort of weight cancelling device there is no way of knowing if the target is worth digging or not.

The one disadvantage I see with this device is it takes a long time to check each signal line, but it's a lot less work than digging.

tank you very much freind
What is number Integrated Circuit ?(ic 18 pin)

[Geo]

Originally Posted by mustefa ubram

tank you very much freind
What is number Integrated Circuit ?(ic 18 pin)

Maybe a LM3915 or a Pic...

[humhum]

Originally Posted by Geo

Maybe a LM3915 or a Pic...

Yes may be is PIC , but the name has been deleted.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by humhum

Yes may be is PIC , but the name has been deleted.

I think this is not a PIC.
I think Geo has it right.
This looks like a 3915 or 3914 to me.
From the circuit board we can see it is cheap, not worth the money to use a PIC.
The power goes directly to an oscillator controlled by the knob, which probably feeds to a tank circuit to create a voltage at the 3915.
Then the 3915 will cause LEDs to light depending on where you turn the knob.
At the same time, a parallel path sends the oscillator output to the ground spike.
This can be built for maybe 10 € in your garage.


Best Wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

I think that's right, it can be built in your garage. Just any chip with 18 pins should work just fine. Let us know how it works for you.

[Dave J.]

It's just as fraudulent here as it was over on TNet:

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/lo...op-secret.html

--Dave J.

BTW, those of you who enjoy Mike's posts, he posted a bunch in that thread.

[Mike(Mont)]

In case anyone doesn't know, I was just making a joke.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

In case anyone doesn't know, I was just making a joke.

Many a true word is said in jest.

[Mike(Mont)]

I was joking when I said any 18 pin chip would work fine. I don't know much about electronics. Don't even know if that is an EPROM chip or what.

I would have my concerns about using this device with frequency generators that only run at low frequencies.Most people I know that use the FG's run below 1kHz. The video says 5kHz for gold plus 250Hz. Also their LRL's run at 24 volts. Unless yours runs that much voltage I doubt it will give the same weight cancelling, may overpower the FG even at the lowest setting. I don't know, just guessing. I use 135 mv at the highest power.

[Mike(Mont)]

I did hear it works as a stand-alone MFD set to 5kHz for gold. Said it gave a strong signal. Also said it works at 8kHz for silver but it took a bit longer for the target to come in. Also heard with a home made MFD a small target tunes out at a lower setting than what the video shows. Also said it works "through the air, too" with the antenna pointing upwards instead of in the ground.

[humhum]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I think this is not a PIC.
I think Geo has it right.
This looks like a 3915 or 3914 to me.
From the circuit board we can see it is cheap, not worth the money to use a PIC.
The power goes directly to an oscillator controlled by the knob, which probably feeds to a tank circuit to create a voltage at the 3915.
Then the 3915 will cause LEDs to light depending on where you turn the knob.
At the same time, a parallel path sends the oscillator output to the ground spike.
This can be built for maybe 10 € in your garage.


Best Wishes,
J_P

Hi J_Player, if this IC is only driver for all LEDs (LM3914-15) , where is OSC or Freq. Generator. Maybe is in down side.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by humhum

Hi J_Player, if this IC is only driver for all LEDs (LM3914-15) , where is OSC or Freq. Generator. Maybe is in down side.

Capacitors and resistor and transistor and knob to left side of IC. Also tank circuit probably located here.
Driver for the output is transistor on the right end.
I think no components on the back side.
Just my guess, because we see only a partial circuit.


Best Wishes,
J_p

[mustefa ubram]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I think no components on the back side.

Best Wishes,
J_p

no j-p
Does the back of any piece.I saw this some time ago.
All the pieces are on the board

[Mike(Mont)]

This forum is a den of thieves and hypocrites.I would add several more expletives but it would get deleted. I bet half the users here are all alias identities of one or two people. They complain about hard-working LRL manufacturers then think nothing of stealing their work. I guess that's a trait of the metal detector industry.

[Carl-NC]

Mike, you're right, I admit it... everyone on this forum is actually me. And I'm not even real, I'm just a Prolog program running on an Apple 2e.

You know, you wouldn't have nearly so much to complain about if you had an LRL that actually worked. Sucks, don't it?

[kaligula]

All of those LESs all very good to put them for New year on my Christmas three. This devices maybe has efect but the LEDs I think are good only for New Year if you understand me what I want to say

[Mike(Mont)]

Anybody use one of these? I found you can use a lower voltage battery for better pinpointing when used as a stand-alone MFD transmitter. Instead of the required 9 volt battery I used a 6 volt sealed lead acid battery 3 or 4 amp hours. The low battery light comes on but the device still puts out a signal but it is weaker. A set of 4 alkaline AA's should work but I haven't tried them with a target.

[fmnotes]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I think this is not a PIC.
I think Geo has it right.
This looks like a 3915 or 3914 to me.
From the circuit board we can see it is cheap, not worth the money to use a PIC.
The power goes directly to an oscillator controlled by the knob, which probably feeds to a tank circuit to create a voltage at the 3915.
Then the 3915 will cause LEDs to light depending on where you turn the knob.
At the same time, a parallel path sends the oscillator output to the ground spike.
This can be built for maybe 10 € in your garage.


Best Wishes,
J_P

It is neither the LM3914 LM3915, is a programmable pic.

[perzo]

HI ALL:this is circuit diagram E-120