OBMD-1

[Rubin]

Dear Geo thank you for your answer. I have OBMD-1 and i live near your city. My opinion is excelent machine for "lock" a no-ferrus interest target long distance.
You say ...you are present tests. I think you are not, because, i am present test near your city and i see users don't calibrate fine machine, but calibrate with high power. Users try find only gold. But the gold usually is "dream". After this the same machine make new test other city with success and maybe record a video (i am not sure). Only your fantasia you are present.
This is incurious for me. But is not incurious for me, the effort to decrease something that you don't have. The conclusions are explicit
Have you a "interest" area for test? If yes , maybe a user crypton can record a video your "interest" area. I want see video with succes and your rédicule face.
I think you can not find this area, i think you have not this area, because, with a video all members world can see success, with your face.
A!!!!!! I don't forget something . If you are anger or members understand all your negative efforts, you write Greek language. Why?
regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by g-sani

I will tell you another story J_P to understand the situation.
Andreas a couple of months ago offered to the Greek forum to give them a detector to test it.He asked them to choose their representitives and give them the detector for 1 or 2 weeks and when they like.Anyway this didn't finally go as they were planing and for some reason something else happened instead.
Andreas took his LRL and went there and visited them but this was in a different box than the one which is used for Crypton today.
They took him up to the mountains to test it in a place he didn't know before and they asked him to demonstrated it there.
So Andreas did his search and he ended up whith 5-6 spots of about 1 sq.meter each.
Then they used the MD they had and they confirmed 4 of the targets.They unearthed them and I remember that it was 2 coins and also something else.Also it was a target they didn't dig and one or two not possible to corfirm whith their MD. Anyway I am not very accurate whith these numbers but this is not my point anyway.
So after that they agreed that the LRL was successfull detecting from distance and after some days they started complain that in the place they took him was many coins around.
How can you say a thing like that when it was left to you to choose the place and how can you accuse him that Crypton is something else from the one he demonstrated to you that day? Do you know what was in that box that time or you know what is inside Crypton now? Cuessing is far away from truth and in this situation means nothing.
Andreas offered them the LRL to test it for a week or so and these people instead of saying "thank you" complained that this period was not enough so they didn't do it.
Instead of doing what was right for themselves by keeping a low polite profile taking the oportunity for the test they prefered to accuse him calling him names showing a very bad attitude. You didn't like his detector? He is there to tell him and let him know what you think otherwise he wouldn't offer you testing it.
We are here to make friends and talk all things out. Isn't it?
We must do our hobby as everything in life trying to learn and become better. But yes, I believe that we are here also to learn and not just have a nice time.
They are people treasure hunting just for glory and they want through this to verify themselves compared to the others. The truth is I don't really like them.
I am doing it for my own pleasure but I wouldn't mind if I get the results as well.
That is all.

All the best
g-sani

Hi g-sani,

For me, I will be happy if somebody brings me a detector to test.
I will do like you did to see if it helps me to find treasures.
Maybe for me I will make my own tests too.
But I will not say the locator is successful for long range locating, and then complain
that test is no good because the ground I choose for making the test is not a good test location.

Anyway, I don't care about secret rumors from workers who do not make statements, and talk that nobody verify to be facts.
But I see there is the test that happened in the Greek forum.
And also I see Rubin makes his report for the Crypton.
Now I have two reports from people who have actually used the Crypton to tell us they like the performance they see.
And we hear Geo tell that the Crypton does not detect gold, silver or copper, but he did not use the Crypton.
Maybe Geo can tell us how we can verify his claim that the Crypton detects magnetic fields anomalies.
Maybe if Geo uses the Crypton in his hands then he will have a chance to make a report to tell what he sees the Crypton detect or does not detect.

So I wait to hear more reports before I make my opinion for the Crypton.
For now I am happy that some people like the Crypton.
This means maybe there is a chance it will be good for treasure hunters.
We can see more reports after the Crypton is used for more time in the field.


Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Rubin

Dear Geo thank you for your answer. I have OBMD-1 and i live near your city. My opinion is excelent machine for "lock" a no-ferrus interest target long distance.
You say ...you are present tests. I think you are not, because, i am present test near your city and i see users don't calibrate fine machine, but calibrate with high power. Users try find only gold. But the gold usually is "dream". After this the same machine make new test other city with success and maybe record a video (i am not sure). Only your fantasia you are present.
This is incurious for me. But is not incurious for me, the effort to decrease something that you don't have. The conclusions are explicit
Have you a "interest" area for test? If yes , maybe a user crypton can record a video your "interest" area. I want see video with succes and your rédicule face.
I think you can not find this area, i think you have not this area, because, with a video all members world can see success, with your face.
A!!!!!! I don't forget something . If you are anger or members understand all your negative efforts, you write Greek language. Why?
regards

Hi Rubin,
If you ever decide to make a demonstration video, then I will be interested to see your video.
And if you do not make a video, I still will like to hear your report for how the UBMD-1 works.
Can you say if it detects only gold and silver and copper?
Did you see the ONMD-1 detect iron or other metals?

I am interested to know how this locator performs.


Best wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Rubin,
If you ever decide to make a demonstration video, then I will be interested to see your video.
And if you do not make a video, I still will like to hear your report for how the UBMD-1 works.
Can you say if it detects only gold and silver and copper?
Did you see the ONMD-1 detect iron or other metals?

I am interested to know how this locator performs.


Best wishes,
J_P

Well as long as you have a very sensitive detector in your hands I believe that in case of the absence of the three precious metals you might also see that you are geting something similar or close to them. I think this is understandable when you have the fine sensitivity button in your fingers.
I cannot tell you if there was some silver or copper in that old bullet but I can tell you for sure that there was a lot more copper in that goats bell.That was big as a find but may be not that old.
I threw away the bullet but I still got the bell.

Regards
g-sani

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by Geo

Αυτο που κολαει παλι????
Μην με αναγκαζεις να πω ονοματα, η δοκιμη εγινε στην περιοχη μου σε αρχαιολογικο χωρο και δεν εκανε Κιχ. Ο ενας της παρεας ηταν αυτος που το διαφημιζε τοσο πολυ.
Μηπως σου λεει τιποτα?????

Regards

Oxι δεν ξερω τιποτε σχετικο. Δεν μπορω να πω πραγματα που δεν ξερω.
Ειμαι διαθεσιμος ομως να τα ακουσω. Δεν βλεπω το λογο καποιος να εχει αποψη και να μην παιρνει θεση. Με παραξενευει το γεγονος οτι δεν μου το ειπες αυτο οταν σου ειπα οτι τεσταρω το Κρυπτον.

I must translate this for everybody, it will be better.
Sorry I don't know anything about what you are talking. I cannot confirm things that I don't really know. But I am willing to listen.
I don't see a reason for somebody to have an experience whith Crypton and having a problem talking for it.
I am now also curious George for that time you called me and you said nothing to me related to this matter when myself reported to you that I am having Crypton testing it.
Was it something for me to hide from you? No it wasn't and I am not that complicated in my acts.
I told you whithout you asking me that I am having Crypton for test e.tc., e.t.c.... and you asked my opinion for it but you never told me what you knew.
Now you come over here saying that you knew this and that.
No, this is not good.
Sorry but I feel betrayed in some way.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Rubin

Dear Geo thank you for your answer. I have OBMD-1 and i live near your city. My opinion is excelent machine for "lock" a no-ferrus interest target long distance.
You say ...you are present tests. I think you are not, because, i am present test near your city and i see users don't calibrate fine machine, but calibrate with high power. Users try find only gold. But the gold usually is "dream". After this the same machine make new test other city with success and maybe record a video (i am not sure). Only your fantasia you are present.
This is incurious for me. But is not incurious for me, the effort to decrease something that you don't have. The conclusions are explicit
Have you a "interest" area for test? If yes , maybe a user crypton can record a video your "interest" area. I want see video with succes and your rédicule face.
I think you can not find this area, i think you have not this area, because, with a video all members world can see success, with your face.
A!!!!!! I don't forget something . If you are anger or members understand all your negative efforts, you write Greek language. Why?
regards

Where i said it?????
I never took this machine at my hands....
Read again......

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Rubin

Dear Geo thank you for your answer. I have OBMD-1 and i live near your city. My opinion is excelent machine for "lock" a no-ferrus interest target long distance.
You say ...you are present tests. I think you are not, because, i am present test near your city and i see users don't calibrate fine machine, but calibrate with high power. Users try find only gold. But the gold usually is "dream". After this the same machine make new test other city with success and maybe record a video (i am not sure). Only your fantasia you are present.
This is incurious for me. But is not incurious for me, the effort to decrease something that you don't have. The conclusions are explicit
Have you a "interest" area for test? If yes , maybe a user crypton can record a video your "interest" area. I want see video with succes and your rédicule face.
I think you can not find this area, i think you have not this area, because, with a video all members world can see success, with your face.
A!!!!!! I don't forget something . If you are anger or members understand all your negative efforts, you write Greek language. Why?
regards

I have not any anger, sometimes i write to Greek because i don't like to make again checks with translator. You see my English is not so good as your.

[Geo]

Hahahahahahaha.
When Esteban wrote about the Andy Flid magnetic field detector, he hear so many .......
Now you made the Andy Flid (MFD) the best detector. Yes, it is the Andy Flid magnetic field detector with a two transistors antenna preamplifier and a IR that makes nothing.
But you can say and promote everything you want.
I wait Max, so to give him the schematic with the IR so to study it and to tell us how it works.......

I forecast a hot winter
Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Oxι δεν ξερω τιποτε σχετικο. Δεν μπορω να πω πραγματα που δεν ξερω.
Ειμαι διαθεσιμος ομως να τα ακουσω. Δεν βλεπω το λογο καποιος να εχει αποψη και να μην παιρνει θεση. Με παραξενευει το γεγονος οτι δεν μου το ειπες αυτο οταν σου ειπα οτι τεσταρω το Κρυπτον.

I must translate this for everybody, it will be better.
Sorry I don't know anything about what you are talking. I cannot confirm things that I don't really know. But I am willing to listen.
I don't see a reason for somebody to have an experience whith Crypton and having a problem talking for it.
I am now also curious George for that time you called me and you said nothing to me related to this matter when myself reported to you that I am having Crypton testing it.
Was it something for me to hide from you? No it wasn't and I am not that complicated in my acts.
I told you whithout you asking me that I am having Crypton for test e.tc., e.t.c.... and you asked my opinion for it but you never told me what you knew.
Now you come over here saying that you knew this and that.
No, this is not good.
Sorry but I feel betrayed in some way.

I will call today.

Regards

[Rubin]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Rubin,
If you ever decide to make a demonstration video, then I will be interested to see your video.
And if you do not make a video, I still will like to hear your report for how the UBMD-1 works.
Can you say if it detects only gold and silver and copper?
Did you see the ONMD-1 detect iron or other metals?

I am interested to know how this locator performs.


Best wishes,
J_P

I use OBMD-1 two Months.
I make many-many personally tutorials tests before i am sure start search a target-area.
Usually i work with my MD together.
I explain you. First i find and lock target a place 1X1meter , then i use MD for find central point.
I find many-many copper coins, a silver baby ring and two interest objects ( very low cost).
For other metals ,i don't know. Maybe my hunting-area have not other metals.
Some tests by me with iron, i see my machine cannot detect iron, cannot detect a magnet-piece, but can detect TV up 5meters distance.
Sorry but i cannot publish photo's. I think you understand me.
Max detection by me distance 25meters. Max depth 25cm. I work only a big flat place without trees.
I cannot rec a video, because i have not camera for this
regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hahahahahahaha.
When Esteban wrote about the Andy Flid magnetic field detector, he hear so many .......
Now you made the Andy Flid (MFD) the best detector. Yes, it is the Andy Flid magnetic field detector with a two transistors antenna preamplifier and a IR that makes nothing.
But you can say and promote everything you want.
I wait Max, so to give him the schematic with the IR so to study it and to tell us how it works.......

I forecast a hot winter
Regards

One Crypton LRL with Andy Flind circuit for 3800 Euro !!!

[hung]

Folks, I really don't understand what is goin on here. We, the LRL enthusiasts have been friends for a long time and now I see some of you making fun of others for developing their own LRLs? Are you people getting the skeptic's disease?
Well, I certainly hope not. But some behaviors here lately do remind me the skeptics and their agendas. Please don't fall in this trap.
Geo, you and some others apparently have working LRLs already but why you are picking and making fun of Andreas' device?

You people should join efforts and respect yourselves and not the other way around.
I remember once when I, you, Esteban and Andreas traded emails for discussing new types of LRLs. When I asked if one of you had comercial intentions as I did not agree with this goal, you both told you did not.

It's clear that you, him and Morgan are eager to start a comercial thing, but calm down.
First thing you have to learn is ethics with you compatriots.

Tough I don't agree with comercial intentions, I respect you and the others.
So, folks, please consider quit being hostile with one another and start respect again the LRL people.

As for Andreas' device, if it's indeed based on a magnetic field detector, I would not use a standard loop for this as there are much better sensor choices that would make a much better performance.
But I respect his work and I think you and the others should do the same.

Regars.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

Are you people getting the skeptic's disease?

"... skeptic's disease?" ?

Skeptic's are the most healthy LRL enthusiasts in the world and best friends of LRL belivers.

We protect LRL believers from evil scam artist and fraudsters.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Morgan

One Crypton LRL with Andy Flind circuit for 3800 Euro !!!

Yes, but it has very beautifull box.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by hung

Geo, you and some others apparently have working LRLs already but why you are picking and making fun of Andreas' device?

You people should join efforts and respect yourselves and not the other way around.
I remember once when I, you, Esteban and Andreas traded emails for discussing new types of LRLs. When I asked if one of you had comercial intentions as I did not agree with this goal, you both told you did not.

It's clear that you, him and Morgan are eager to start a comercial thing, but calm down.
First thing you have to learn is ethics with you compatriots.

Tough I don't agree with comercial intentions, I respect you and the others.
So, folks, please consider quit being hostile with one another and start respect again the LRL people.


Regars.

Hi Hung.
1. I don't interesting for commercial products.
2.As you see was not me the person who had commercial intentions.
3.I have not any plywood with Andreas but very simple i like the true, and this lrl is not as the Crypton says.


All are so simple.......

Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by WM6

"... skeptic's disease?" ?

Skeptic's are the most healthy LRL enthusiasts in the world and best friends of LRL belivers.

We protect LRL believers from evil scam artist and fraudsters.

hi,not comercial ideias,i made a few PDK to help people in treasure hunting,and they work good for this hobby.
it will be great for me in 2006 if someone offer me one LRL that work for the price 450 Euro i was very happy. but you know,i paid very big money for some mineoro,that the finds even pay for the batteries...

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by WM6

"... skeptic's disease?" ?

Skeptic's are the most healthy LRL enthusiasts in the world and best friends of LRL belivers.

We protect LRL believers from evil scam artist and fraudsters.

Thank you very much, much obliged.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

...I have not any plywood with Andreas but very simple i like the true, and this lrl is not as the Crypton says.


All are so simple.......

Regards

Hi Geo,
You say the OBMD-1 is not as Crypton says.
Is this your rumor, or do you have some evidence to show it is not as Crypton says?

I read what Crypton says above:

This machine is not a gold detector, but a long range discrimination locator without filter between Au,Ag,Cu.

And here is what Andreas told us about the OBMD-1:

Yes i draw a real LRL. This LRL detect only paramagnetic old buried metal and this LRL work with quarantee 100%.
But I found a problem and I cannot give authorisation still for sales if I don't have solution for this.
OBMD-1 work perfect with dry ground normal or hot days, but October tests my country, with wetted ground, after rain and high humidity,
i see.. detection range is very poor with small false signals.
After this i redraw all circuit (duty cycle pulse, IR sensor receiver etc,etc) .
Now with my person tests and three customers my country, i think OBMD-1 with new mods work fine,
but i cannot give authorisation before make a real big test with very cold days, high humidity and 2-3days rain.
I don't like sell a machine all world and this machine don't work, for example, north europe with high humidity and wetted ground.
I need customer has success
I believe this months i find my country this weather for finish all test.
After this i can give authorisation start crypton website, i can give authorisation for dealers.

Later Andreas made a correction to say it does not detect paramagnetic, only gold, silver and copper: I write again "ONLY Au,Ag,Cu"

Then I look at the reports from people who use the OBMD-1 in their hands to watch what it detects and does not detect.
I see two reports that say it detects non-ferrous metals, but it does not detect iron.
G-sani shows his video where he finds a bullet, and he says he detects non-ferrous things.
And I read where Rubin posted in the forum:

"I find many-many copper coins, a silver baby ring and two interest objects ( very low cost).
For other metals ,i don't know. Maybe my hunting-area have not other metals.
Some tests by me with iron, i see my machine cannot detect iron, cannot detect a magnet-piece, but can detect TV up 5meters distance. "

Then I look at what you say about the OBMD-1 and I see you say it detects magnetic fields:

"Now you made the Andy Flid (MFD) the best detector. Yes, it is the Andy Flid magnetic field detector with a two transistors antenna preamplifier and a IR that makes nothing"

It is hard for me to imagine the OBMD-1 uses a magnetic field detector after I hear two people say they watched it locate non-ferrous things like coins and a bullet.
Rubin said he cannot detect iron things or magnets with the OBMD-1.
I read what the people who have the OBMD-1 in their hand report they can see report the OBMD-1 detects non-ferrous, and does not detect magnets or iron.
Then I read where you report the OBMD-1 is an Andy Flind magnetic field detector with a 2-transistor antenna preamplifier.

I ask now, can you show some evidence that the OBMD-1 is an Andy Flind design magnetic field detector?
Or is the magnetic field detector circuit your rumor?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,
You say the OBMD-1 is not as Crypton says.
Is this your rumor, or do you have some evidence to show it is not as Crypton says?

Or is the magnetic field detector circuit your rumor?

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
You know me many years, and now you ask me if what i say is my rumor?????
Really i am sorry

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
You know me many years, and now you ask me if what i say is my rumor?????
Really i am sorry

Regards

Exactly.
I know you do not tell lie, and I know g-sani does not tell lie.
So one of you is correct and other one is not correct for performance of the OBMD-1.
You do not lie, but I see many times you make rumors of things you only think but you do not know for fact.
Now I ask again.
Is this story of Andy Flind circuit inside the OBMD-1 a rumor or do you have evidence you can show to prove this is a fact?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Exactly.
I know you do not tell lie, and I know g-sani does not tell lie.
So one of you is correct and other one is not correct for performance of the OBMD-1.
You do not lie, but I see many times you make rumors of things you only think but you do not know for fact.
Now I ask again.
Is this story of Andy Flind circuit inside the OBMD-1 a rumor or do you have evidence you can show to prove this is a fact?

Best wishes,
J_P

Do you know Andy Flind schematic????

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Exactly.
I know you do not tell lie, and I know g-sani does not tell lie.
So one of you is correct and other one is not correct for performance of the OBMD-1.
You do not lie, but I see many times you make rumors of things you only think but you do not know for fact.
Now I ask again.
Is this story of Andy Flind circuit inside the OBMD-1 a rumor or do you have evidence you can show to prove this is a fact?

Best wishes,
J_P

Gsani don't knows what has the box inside. I am sure that Gsani say true about some objects that he found but he did not make a lot of tests.

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Gsani don't knows what has the box inside. I am sure that Gsani say true about some objects that he found but he did not make a lot of tests.

Regards

Can you tell us about the tests you made where you saw the OBMD-1 detect magnets and iron that g-sani did not see?
Can you tell us what Andy Flind magnetic field detector parts you saw inside the box that g-sani used to locate only non-ferrous metal?


Best wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

May be I don't know the ccts inside but certainly only Andreas knows.
This is one fact and the other one is the finds I had testing it myself.
Oh yes, this a fact for sure!

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Can you tell us about the tests you made where you saw the OBMD-1 detect magnets and iron that g-sani did not see?
Can you tell us what Andy Flind magnetic field detector parts you saw inside the box that g-sani used to locate only non-ferrous metal?


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
Where i wrote that i detected magnets or anything else with this????
I wrote that this lrl is the Andy Flind Magnetic field detector.
If you know the schematic of Andy Flind then if you reverse the pcb you will see that it is this schematic

Regards