Testing Crypton OBMD-1

[g-sani]

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here.
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0Ks...&feature=g-upl

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.

[MIJ]

Hi g-sani,

Thanks for showing video of you using Crypton.

What was it you actually found?

As you say picture not to clear.

Best Regards

[humhum]

Hi g-sani , congratulation for your LRL ,how is work it, with Ionic rec. or Magnetic Receiver.

[Geo]

Hi George
Cryfton beeps "εις γαμον γκαραγκιοζη".
You found the target with MD, not with LRL.
It gave at least 10....15 false signals....

Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Hi, since we have a new forum exclusively for LRLs I finally decided that it is worth it to bring up this video here.
You see they were too many skeptics in Geotech but I see that some of them followed us also over here.
I see you arguing heavily about Crypton in thread OBMD-1 but since this thread is under the Longe Range locators forum(which is wrong) I decided to make a new thread over here.There are no rods and no swiveling by any means.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0Ks...&feature=g-upl

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.
Sorry it is not the best picture but at least the sound is good.

Hello

I even not talk much about the CRYPTON,it needs constant adjustments same as my PD,maybe it works the same as the PD,i though Andreas could make better LRL. What i find amazing is the instrument you use for digging the target,here we call "pé de cabra" it is used not to digg but for other job,with this one you could break one coin in two parts.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Hello

I even not talk much about the CRYPTON,it needs constant adjustments same as my PD,maybe it works the same as the PD,i though Andreas could make better LRL. What i find amazing is the instrument you use for digging the target,here we call "pé de cabra" it is used not to digg but for other job,with this one you could break one coin in two parts.

so,i think the greek soil is hard like concret,next time one pneumatic hammer will be great tool

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Morgan

What i find amazing is the instrument you use for digging the target,here we call "pé de cabra" it is used not to digg but for other job,with this one you could break one coin in two parts.

Any archaeologist watching that video would have a heart attack.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by g-sani

It is me testing Crypton up in the Greek mountains where guerillas used to hide during world war II.

Hi sani, why you need all those funny exercises with OBMD-1, if without metal detector you cannot found nothing?

On guerrillas places you can find something on every meter with only middle finger, so you do not need futile 3800 euro creation to find something there.

If Alonso PD can be at least in theory capable to detect something at distance of about 1m, looking at OBMD-1 construction (no need to see circuit inside) it is clear that this creation is based on completely flawed idea if it is based on electronic science.

[digital logic]

Originally Posted by MIJ

Hi g-sani,

Thanks for showing video of you using Crypton.

What was it you actually found?

As you say picture not to clear.

Best Regards

G-sani says on video for lead from bullet about turkish gun (very old).
I have the same opinion with WM6 about this lrl .

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by MIJ

Hi g-sani,

Thanks for showing video of you using Crypton.

What was it you actually found?

As you say picture not to clear.

Best Regards

That was the front part of an old bullet. It is left there from 1900 downwards.

Originally Posted by humhum

Hi g-sani , congratulation for your LRL ,how is work it, with Ionic rec. or Magnetic Receiver.

I don't really know the principle behind this LRL.
I was offered to test this detector and what I did was trying to see if I can unearth something whith it from a distance that wasn't put there for test purposes.
Well once it was a goats bell made from copper and in this video is exactly what you see, the front part from an old Turkish bullet.
I see some of you say that I finally found this whith my MD and I don't say different but I didn't look there using my DFX by chance.I thought it is clear for everybody to see that I got repeated beeps in that place but may be I was wrong.

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi George
Cryfton beeps "εις γαμον γκαραγκιοζη".
You found the target with MD, not with LRL.
It gave at least 10....15 false signals....

Regards

Come on Geo you know very well that I can understand if an LRL is working or not.
And also you know very well that when you adjust sensitivity in an LRL like Crypton it is wise to check or hunt in a place using a bit more of it and then a bit less of it and then also search whith sensitivity just in the limit as the maker advices you to do.
This way you compare all signals received so that you get a better understanding of a might be target.
What I did was turning around myself trying to see if there are lines where I get constantly beeps.Yes, I agree that I had a few beeps over and there but passing the detector again from these lines it was clearly understood that it was not the ones to pay attention.
On the same hand somebody can search whith reduced sensitivity so that he look for less beeps but again on the same line.
You also know very well George that working whith an LRL like Crypton you have to play whith sensitivity as you aproach or you remove from a possible target.
This way you give yourself a chance to get a better idea of whats going on.
Of course somebody can say that a far away target might give you less beeps on the same line confusing you a lot but then I will say that this is why you have your feet and all you have to do is use them and check from some other position.

Originally Posted by Morgan

so,i think the greek soil is hard like concret,next time one pneumatic hammer will be great tool

Hi Morgan, I was not there prepared to dig. I had digging tools in my car but it was far away from that place.I used "pé de cabra" because I knew as soon as I used my White that it was not a deep target, otherwise I wouldn't mind to go back and get the proper digging tool for the job.
I went there to see if I can get anything whith Crypton since I have an info from a relative that a treasure is hidden there from the 2nd World war.
I took only the "pé de cabra" whith me because I wanted to use it and turn arround some stones and see if they have anything written on them. Just have a look.

Originally Posted by WM6

Hi sani, why you need all those funny exercises with OBMD-1, if without metal detector you cannot found nothing?
On guerrillas places you can find something on every meter with only middle finger, so you do not need futile 3800 euro creation to find something there.

If Alonso PD can be at least in theory capable to detect something at distance of about 1m, looking at OBMD-1 construction (no need to see circuit inside) it is clear that this creation is based on completely flawed idea if it is based on electronic science.

Yes WM6 I have used my White to find it and whithout it may be I couldn't do it.
The thing is there wasn't some other metal in the place because I also checked at least one or two meters arround it.I know that you might say that may be I was not detecting this whith Crypton but some other metal which was maybe deeper for my MD to detect.Well you are may be right but when this happens more times it is very enough for me to understand if and what I detect most of the times.
Myself I believe that Crypton is capable of getting a signal from something big much more away that the 30meters distance that the company says but I cannot confirm it yet.
I will be able to check it after winter time sometime on Spring in the same place where I got signals from about 90meters away.

[WM6]

OK, I am away at least 90 meters, to not disturb Crypton sensitivity.

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by g-sani

That was the front part of an old bullet. It is left there from 1900 downwards.



I don't really know the principle behind this LRL.
I was offered to test this detector and what I did was trying to see if I can unearth something whith it from a distance that wasn't put there for test purposes.
Well once it was a goats bell made from copper and in this video is exactly what you see, the front part from an old Turkish bullet.
I see some of you say that I finally found this whith my MD and I don't say different but I didn't look there using my DFX by chance.I thought it is clear for everybody to see that I got repeated beeps in that place but may be I was wrong.



Come on Geo you know very well that I can understand if an LRL is working or not.
And also you know very well that when you adjust sensitivity in an LRL like Crypton it is wise to check or hunt in a place using a bit more of it and then a bit less of it and then also search whith sensitivity just in the limit as the maker advices you to do.
This way you compare all signals received so that you get a better understanding of a might be target.
What I did was turning around myself trying to see if there are lines where I get constantly beeps.Yes, I agree that I had a few beeps over and there but passing the detector again from these lines it was clearly understood that it was not the ones to pay attention.
On the same hand somebody can search whith reduced sensitivity so that he look for less beeps but again on the same line.
You also know very well George that working whith an LRL like Crypton you have to play whith sensitivity as you aproach or you remove from a possible target.
This way you give yourself a chance to get a better idea of whats going on.
Of course somebody can say that a far away target might give you less beeps on the same line confusing you a lot but then I will say that this is why you have your feet and all you have to do is use them and check from some other position.



Hi Morgan, I was not there prepared to dig. I had digging tools in my car but it was far away from that place.I used "pé de cabra" because I knew as soon as I used my White that it was not a deep target, otherwise I wouldn't mind to go back and get the proper digging tool for the job.
I went there to see if I can get anything whith Crypton since I have an info from a relative that a treasure is hidden there from the 2nd World war.
I took only the "pé de cabra" whith me because I wanted to use it and turn arround some stones and see if they have anything written on them. Just have a look.




Yes WM6 I have used my White to find it and whithout it may be I couldn't do it.
The thing is there wasn't some other metal in the place because I also checked at least one or two meters arround it.I know that you might say that may be I was not detecting this whith Crypton but some other metal which was maybe deeper for my MD to detect.Well you are may be right but when this happens more times it is very enough for me to understand if and what I detect most of the times.
Myself I believe that Crypton is capable of getting a signal from something big much more away that the 30meters distance that the company says but I cannot confirm it yet.
I will be able to check it after winter time sometime on Spring in the same place where I got signals from about 90meters away.

Ok,good luck with the Crypton,but i think you deserve better LRL for your search

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Ok,good luck with the Crypton,but i think you deserve better LRL for your search

Any suggestions Morgan?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by g-sani

I see some of you say that I finally found this whith my MD and I don't say different but I didn't look there using my DFX by chance.I thought it is clear for everybody to see that I got repeated beeps in that place but may be I was wrong.

With these type of demonstrations it is as important to not only understand what we are seeing, but also what we are not seeing. In this case I would like to know how many "targets" were detected with the LRL, but where subsequently nothing was recovered. In other words, what was the ratio of good targets to empty holes?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

With these type of demonstrations it is as important to not only understand what we are seeing, but also what we are not seeing. In this case I would like to know how many "targets" were detected with the LRL, but where subsequently nothing was recovered. In other words, what was the ratio of good targets to empty holes?

There are many other things which we will never see in a demonstration.
I remember during the Texas show the H3 Tec did not detect false locations for places where there was no silver.
But the H3 Tec also did not detect the places where there was large silver such as the 10 ounce bar in Carl's pocket or the coins that Tim Williams hid.
We saw the same performance for Micheal's Mineoro FG-80 which made no indication of large targets that he could detect with metal detectors.
Morgan also reports the same for Mineoro... that it fails to detect gold which he buried from the distances which Mineoro says it will detect.

This kind of failure to detect buried targets is something we will not see in a simple demonstration video unless there is a test garden with long time buried metals in known locations like Morgan has.
If a long range detecting machine does not detect a 1 kg ancient gold plate buried 15cm, then the treasure hunter will not stop to check with a metal detector.
The treasure hunter will continue to walk past the treasure and look other places.
We will never be able to count how many times this happens or does not happen from a simple demonstration video.

But we can count how many times we dig empty holes, and holes that do not contain gold, silver or copper.
The problem is that most people do not keep any record of the holes which are empty.
And they do not count the holes with metal that is not gold, silver or copper unless these holes contain something they want to keep for an interesting recovery.
They do not count how many holes they dig to find aluminum foil or bottle caps or old nails.
This is the reason why we never hear any scientific data to tell what kind of percentage of success they find with their locators in a demonstration video.

And this is also the reason why we do not call these demonstration videos to be randomized scientific tests.
We call them the true name as a demonstration video which shows what the person who makes the video wants to show.
We know these are not scientific tests which give reliable proof of anything except to prove that a video camera was running during the demonstration.
These are simply demonstration videos which show what can be seen at the time and place where the video camera lens was recording.


Best wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

With these type of demonstrations it is as important to not only understand what we are seeing, but also what we are not seeing. In this case I would like to know how many "targets" were detected with the LRL, but where subsequently nothing was recovered. In other words, what was the ratio of good targets to empty holes?

Yes, it was sometimes Qiaozhi that I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all have the oportunity to see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion as a user about it before he make it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all. Otherwise I wouldn't do a video straight away as soon as I got Crypton and I would be more busy working it just for myself. Of course later I would make the favour to anybody else from here for example that would ask me kindly to do so.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to get an idea and see what he could do in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.

Regards
g-sani

[kostas87]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Yes, it was sometimes Qiaozhi that I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all have the oportunity to see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion as a user about it before he make it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all. Otherwise I wouldn't do a video straight away as soon as I got Crypton and I would be more busy working it just for myself. Of course later I would make the favour to anybody else from here for example that would ask me kindly to do so.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to get an idea and see what he could do in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.

Regards
g-sani

Hi g-Sani ..
This detector had no consistent sound to understand is at what point was the metal which found ..!!! : (

you were so close and had the sound were persistent ...!!!! I would say it works but has no power to say for sure ...!!: (



The manufacturer of crypto will must try to do that surely machine ..!!!

Regards..!!

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Yes, it was sometimes I didn't find the target, but maybe my MD or my pulse detector couldn't detect it. I know that at the same time this could also mean that I had a false signal and nothing was there. I agree!
But myself I am not interesting of calculating the success rate to present it over here.I am more interesting to get results in my TH expeditions.
Let me ask you something. If you go out for remote sensing whith an LRL that gives you finds many times you will look for percentages and success rates? Come on lets be fair.
Finding a treasure even once in a hundrend is also a very good success rate for your treasure hunting activity or hobby. Isn't it?
Why I put this video over here and you all see it? I will explain you why.
Because I promised Andreas to record some of my tests whith Crypton and pass them to him.This is why he borrowed Crypton to me.The man wanted to know my opinion about it before he put it available in the market.Of course he did the same probably whith somebody else as well. He made it clear to me that he will count the word of people testing it which they don't have a relation whith him at all.
I told you that I didn't know the guy until that time and even now we didn't meet in person yet. I only knew him from the forums as Geotech or from the Greek ones and I also knew of course that many of you respect him for his electronic knowledge. And this was the reason I was offered to do some testing. I was curious to see what he could in practice.
Yes, finally I really liked Crypton and I must say that the price is fair compared to other LRLs from various companies that you also know very well but I don't want to name them now.
Regards
g-sani

Hi g-sani,
This is an interesting point for making videos.
When we see a demonstration video, then we know this video is not intended to be a scientific test or statistical data.
We know it is only a demonstration video to show something that can be seen in the video.
What I see in your video is only what we would see if we are walking with you and watching the things you see when you use the locator.

This is the kind of thing that most treasure hunters are interested to know from people who use a locator.
They watch demonstrations to try to determine if they think the locator can help them find treasure.
This is what I think too.
But I know that watching only one demonstration is not enough information for me to make a decision to buy a locator or any other detector.
I know I will want to learn more information, such as how reliable is the detection?
If I learn it only works on special days for atmospheric conditions that come 2 times in a year, then maybe I do not want to buy this locator.
But if I see there are hundreds of tests that show it works 50% of the time to correctly locate only metal that is buried more than 200 years at 30m distance, then I will think this is a useful tool to help to find treasure.

If it works perfectly 50% of the time, then this would be a good locator for Michael to use to help him find buried rooms full of gold things in the desert.
If Michael digs a big empty hole, then it is not important because he still has a 50% chance to find millions of Euros of gold in the next hole where the locator tells him to dig.
For Michael it is not important if this locator will find the treasure onlt 50% of time.
But it is very important if it will locate the buried metal only 5% of the time, because he cannot be wasting 95% of his time and money digging very big empty holes.

Any serious treasure hunter will want to know more information than they can see in a demonstration video.
A serious treasure hunter knows the purpose of a demonstration video is not to show statistical data or a randomized scientific test.
It is only one demonstration to show what the person making the video is demonstrating.

The serious treasure hunter knows he will need to learn more about the locator than the detection he sees a demonstration before he spends his money.
He will need to learn if it is perfect detection or not.
He will need to learn what things will cause false readings.
He will need to learn if there are some limitations that prevent the locator from working when he is treasure hunting.
And he knows these things are not expected to be found in most demonstration videos.

This is the reason why I do not expect a demonstration video to be the same as a test or statistical data.
I see no reason why anyone should expect that a demonstration is the same as a test.
And I think your video is good to watch, and to know that you like using the locator.

I think it would be also very interesting if some day Morgan could borrow a Crypton locator to make some test at his test garden.
It would be very interesting to see him show the Crypton and his best experimental locator both working at the same time to make comparisons of how they detect his buried gold medal.


Thank you for putting your video here for us to see.

Best wishes,
J_P

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by J_Player

There are many other things which we will never see in a demonstration.
I remember during the Texas show the H3 Tec did not detect false locations for places where there was no silver.
But the H3 Tec also did not detect the places where there was large silver such as the 10 ounce bar in Carl's pocket or the coins that Tim Williams hid.
We saw the same performance for Micheal's Mineoro FG-80 which made no indication of large targets that he could detect with metal detectors.
Morgan also reports the same for Mineoro... that it fails to detect gold which he buried from the distances which Mineoro says it will detect.

This kind of failure to detect buried targets is something we will not see in a simple demonstration video unless there is a test garden with long time buried metals in known locations like Morgan has.
If a long range detecting machine does not detect a 1 kg ancient gold plate buried 15cm, then the treasure hunter will not stop to check with a metal detector.
The treasure hunter will continue to walk past the treasure and look other places.
We will never be able to count how many times this happens or does not happen from a simple demonstration video.

But we can count how many times we dig empty holes, and holes that do not contain gold, silver or copper.
The problem is that most people do not keep any record of the holes which are empty.
And they do not count the holes with metal that is not gold, silver or copper unless these holes contain something they want to keep for an interesting recovery.
They do not count how many holes they dig to find aluminum foil or bottle caps or old nails.
This is the reason why we never hear any scientific data to tell what kind of percentage of success they find with their locators in a demonstration video.

And this is also the reason why we do not call these demonstration videos to be randomized scientific tests.
We call them the true name as a demonstration video which shows what the person who makes the video wants to show.
We know these are not scientific tests which give reliable proof of anything except to prove that a video camera was running during the demonstration.
These are simply demonstration videos which show what can be seen at the time and place where the video camera lens was recording.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hallo J_P, of course these videos are not randomised scientific tests but don't forget they are recorded out in real and not in a test field where somebody hide the target to be.
If you could understand Greek language you should know what I am saying during this video recording and about some other line I was detecting in exactly the oposite direction.Have a more detailed look at the video between this interval 1.40-1.58.
I am saying something in Greek to my friend that is whith me in that place.Greek guys know it. I will translate it for you now. I am saying that we are getting regular beeps also in the direction the treasure is suppose to be but we couldn't find it when I spotted the place and tried to confirm it whith my Lorenz X3 detector. This is the longest signal line that I had from all my outings whith Crypton but I think that gold(if there) is secured into something like cave so it might be 3-4 meters underneath in a small room making it undetectable for my PI.
Spring time or beggining of summer I will try to check the place again whith a geophysical instrument which is more reliable for the job.

Best whishes
g-sani

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi g-sani,
This is an interesting point for making videos.
When we see a demonstration video, then we know this video is not intended to be a scientific test or statistical data.
We know it is only a demonstration video to show something that can be seen in the video.
What I see in your video is only what we would see if we are walking with you and watching the things you see when you use the locator.
This is the kind of thing that most treasure hunters are interested to know from people who use a locator.
They watch demonstrations to try to determine if they think the locator can help them find treasure.
This is what I think too.
But I know that watching only one demonstration is not enough information for me to make a decision to buy a locator or any other detector.
I know I will want to learn more information, such as how reliable is the detection?
If I learn it only works on special days for atmospheric conditions that come 2 times in a year, then maybe I do not want to buy this locator.
But if I see there are hundreds of tests that show it works 50% of the time to correctly locate only metal that is buried more than 200 years at 30m distance, then I will think this is a useful tool to help to find treasure.

If it works perfectly 50% of the time, then this would be a good locator for Michael to use to help him find buried rooms full of gold things in the desert.
If Michael digs a big empty hole, then it is not important because he still has a 50% chance to find millions of Euros of gold in the next hole the locator tells him to dig.
For Michael it is not important if this locator will find the treasure onlt 50% of time.
But it is very important if it will locate the buried metal only 5% of the time, because he cannot be wasting 95% of his time and money digging very big empty holes.

Any serious treasure hunter will want to know more information than they can see in a demonstration video.
A serious treasure hunter knows the purpose of a demonstration video is not to show statistical data or a randomized scientific test.
It is only one demonstration to show what the person making the video is demonstrating.

The serious treasure hunter knows he will need to learn more about the locator than the detection he sees a demonstration before he spends his money.
He will need to learn if it is perfect detection or not.
He will need to learn what things will cause false readings.
He will need to learn if there are some limitations that prevent the locator from working when he is treasure hunting.
And he knows these things are not expected to be found in most demonstration videos.

This is the reason why I do not expect a demonstration video to be the same as a test or statistical data.
I see no reason why anyone should expect that a demonstration is the same as a test.
And I think your video is good to watch, and to know that you like using the locator.

I think it would be also very interesting if some day Morgan could borrow a Crypton locator to make some test at his test garden.
It would be very interesting to see him show the Crypton and his best experimental locator both working at the same time to make comparisons of how they detect his buried gold medal.


Thank you for putting your video here for us to see.

Best wishes,
J_P

I understand what you are saying J_P.
I agree that the more you know the better for whatever it is that you are buying and I also see you are having very high personal standards.
This is very good and I like it as well and I wish it was for everybody to be the same at that for a better world to live.
But I also understood by now that experience comes when you use things onyourself and not only listening to experiences from others. This is what I am doing myself whenever this comes in hand.
I have been in the same place testing some other LRLs as well and I have done the same also in other places that there is the possibility of a hidden treasure.This is how I ussually do it.I am taking my time so I can also learn by the end of the day.In other words I like using all the available options(LRLs) I have for determining the possible place of a treasure.
Of course all this stops whenever I can confirm it whith something else on the spot and then I dig it.
Everybody has different standards of doing things and learning from others can give you a boost.
A video could also say nothing to me but it can be critical in my decision at the same time.
The more info the better, this is for sure.

Best whishes
g-sani

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by kostas87

Hi g-Sani ..
This detector had no consistent sound to understand is at what point was the metal which found ..!!! : (

you were so close and had the sound were persistent ...!!!! I would say it works but has no power to say for sure ...!!: (



The manufacturer of crypto will must try to do that surely machine ..!!!

Regards..!!

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The sound is good but you have also the option to choose an optical indication of a "YES" confirmation which is a bright red LED at the upper right hand side of the detector.
The only time I couldn't hear the detector was when I was detecting near a waterfall in a hometown river.

[MIJ]

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys that have copper as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion. The best known traditional types are bronze, where tin is a significant addition, and brass, using zinc instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1]

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels, copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age, are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by MIJ

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

Your post was quite interesting, until I read that last part.
We all know the RTE is a useless swivel-handled device. Don't be fooled by the cheap calculator and do-nothing electronics. It will perform exactly the same, whether the calculator is powered on or off. It's only an expensive dowsing rod.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by MIJ

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys that have copper as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion. The best known traditional types are bronze, where tin is a significant addition, and brass, using zinc instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1]

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels, copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age, are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

Hi MIJ,
The alloys used in wartime bullets could be any combination of alloys.
I have seen quite a few WWII bullets which have brass (copper-zinc) outer shells.
And there are also many pure lead bullets. But I wonder how pure these lead bullets are.
During WWII many countries had scarce supplies and were not so particular how pure their lead was, especially when used to make bullets.
They only cared that they are heavy enough to act as a bullet.

Along the same lines, we know that other buried metals are almost always alloys.
This includes the gold and silver and even platinum jewelry metals. But even base metals such as aluminum are alloys.
Different grades of aluminum have different alloys depending on the purpose of the aluminum.

If we are concerned about the portion of a buried alloy which corrodes and becomes ionized in the soil, I think we will find much less gold dissolving than we find dissolving from the smaller amount of silver alloyed into the same gold object.
For lead alloys, I know a lot of lead will dissolve into the soil to reach toxic levels.
But I also hear reports from LRL experimenters that they have a hard time to detect lead compared to other metals.
It makes me wonder if there is some other metal in the bullet that g-sani found.

I am amazed to hear your report for the Examiner locating your buried coins.
Can you say what model of Examiner you have?
I have tested a fairly recent Examiner TG model and a Deluxe model, and I found that nobody who tried it was able to locate anything with them so far.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by MIJ

Very interesting posts lads.

Ok so g-sani found a lead bullet but don’t forget that “copper and its alloys” come in many disguises there are about 400 different compositions see hear from Wikipedia –

Copper alloys are metal alloys that have copper as their principal component. They have high resistance against corrosion. The best known traditional types are bronze, where tin is a significant addition, and brass, using zinc instead. Both these are imprecise terms, and today the term copper alloy tends to be substituted, especially by museums.[1]

The similarity in external appearance of the various alloys, along with the different combinations of elements used when making each alloy, can lead to confusion when categorizing the different compositions. There are as many as 400 different copper and copper-alloy compositions loosely grouped into the categories: copper, high copper alloy, brasses, bronzes, copper nickels, copper–nickel–zinc (nickel silver), leaded copper, and special alloys. The following table lists the principal alloying element for four of the more common types used in modern industry, along with the name for each type. Historical types, such as those that characterize the Bronze Age, are vaguer as the mixtures were generally.

The Wilde Bore Brooch on my post header that I found in 1993, is classed as “copper alloy” but also has silver edging round the green enamelling, I have been offered £1500 for this find, this sort of find can definitely be worth looking for, and this is why I think that the Crypton having three search modes Au, Ag, Cu. Is a great idea.

By the way I also have a detecting test bed in my garden it’s by a willow tree about 30 meters away from my patio, “it’s about ten years old”

I buried a “gold ring” a “medieval hammered silver coin” and a “copper coin” about a meter apart and “Between 10 to 25 cm deep”

I use this to test metal detectors and always pick them up with my ranger tell examiner from 30 meters.

Cryfton, has not the ability to detect only Au,Ag and Cu.
It is a magnet field detector, so it detects only the magnetic anomalies....