RIIS: THE REAL DOWSING (19 aUGUST 2011)

[ris]

RIIS:There are unknown in physics forces in every body of us ( the science has not find them and I hope never to find them) to communicate with some or more objects but only a few of us will felling right them.Everybody are trying .with false methods or machines and the results are false or maybe like right but not the right who are very strong.The forces are like a voice that maybe is not hearing at the beginning and then will be hearing a little or more.Also in some of us the "voice or power" is hearing from the beginning.Your help will be a wooden Y (dihala) or two metal robs from iron or other metal.and nothing else.Good tries to all of you and good results.
If somebody of you will success it remember me and keep it for yourself.Because it is a very big new power for science but is also very dangerous like the atomic bombs that can be used only by few very-very rich people to killing the people that they do not want.So with this new unknown power will be easy for them to do everything to our body from away.
(I know that my English are not so good because I stopped 35 years before to reading-writing them and it is late to open my books again)

[ivconic]

Find some Carl's post, somewhere on these forums.
Pay attention on that huge cigar on his avatar.
If you continue to talk like that - no cigar for You!


P.S.
You better roll back what you just posted... before cigarman come here and see!

[ivconic]

Now more serious,
what you are trying to say and explain can be understood as a sort of mental dowsing. Numerous people are already trying to pull some benefit from that.
For example famous Sai Baba!
It's been claimed that he is 400 years old and will live another 400 years too....
Aside him, you can find more similar enthusiasts here:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13

[ris]

RIS: Tkank you ivconic because you read my message but I am not 400 years old, I am only five years and I don't know what means benefit.Also to be a little serious I am not five years old but I am ten!!!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by ris

RIS: Tkank you ivconic because you read my message but I am not 400 years old, I am only five years and I don't know what means benefit.Also to be a little serious I am not five years old but I am ten!!!

Then you are young enough to be saved, before the nonsense of dowsing takes over your mind forever.

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by ris

RIS: Tkank you ivconic because you read my message but I am not 400 years old, I am only five years and I don't know what means benefit.Also to be a little serious I am not five years old but I am ten!!!

Best advice i can give you is to forget any kind of dowsing and turn to real metal detectors.
They are not perfect, they are very limited.. but they are real and eventually you will have some results with them.
Dowsing will lead you nowhere.
Qiaozhi is right; there is still chance for you, you are not lost yet!
However, it is good to see "the other side" too, for better understanding.
So that's why i gave you the link for such pages.
Go there and read all the topics!
You will find your own truth after a while...

[ris]

Also like you I will give you my advice.From my mind and my experience the detectors and other machines are not able for me to find metals and treasures because they have only little detection depths and little away distance to locate the targets.So you will not never find metals and treasures with them. And one more I am not interesting to find metals or treasures with dowsing or detectors, machines e.t.c.. I am interesting only to read about real (or false) dowsing that I know it very well..

[ivconic]

Originally Posted by ris

Also like you I will give you my advice.From my mind and my experience the detectors and other machines are not able for me to find metals and treasures because they have only little detection depths and little away distance to locate the targets.So you will not never find metals and treasures with them. And one more I am not interesting to find metals or treasures with dowsing or detectors, machines e.t.c.. I am interesting only to read about real (or false) dowsing that I know it very well..

What!?
I already detected and dug so many finds in last 24 years!

Also i saw hundreds of various dowsers without SINGLE proof that dowsing is real at all.

That's my truth.

But it doesn't matter... no need we to start here debate.
There is nice place for that on this forum, here:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13

Very Best Regards!

[ris]

I believe only to my truth and to my eyes.But however it was very polite that you answered to my message

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by ris

I am interesting only to read about real (or false) dowsing that I know it very well..

You would be better off registering with a dowsing-friendly forum, such as treasurenet ->
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,200.0.html

Your diatribe concerning dowsing, and other related mystical nonsense, will be more positively received there.

[g-sani]

There will be a day that it will be scientifically proof that dowsing exists.
Don't worry because it is not far.
Untill then keep sleeping.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by g-sani

There will be a day that it will be scientifically proof that dowsing exists.
Don't worry because it is not far.
Untill then keep sleeping.

Don't hold your breath in expec ................... tation.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by g-sani

There will be a day that it will be scientifically proof that dowsing exists.
Don't worry because it is not far.
Untill then keep sleeping.

Hi g-sani,
There already is scientific proof that dowsing exists.
We have seen proof that thousands of people use dowsing rods and walk over the ground with dowsing rods in their hands.
There is very strong proof that these thousands of people watch their dowsing rods swing.
We do not need to wait for the proof that dowsing exists.
We have seen proof that dowsing exists for thousands of years.

Dowsing is a fun hobby and game to give hours of fun for people who are hiking in the woods and in the mountains.
Maybe some day these dowsers will prove something more than dowsing exists.
Maybe they can prove they can locate the target when skeptical witnesses are watching.
After thousands of years, nobody has ever been able to prove they are locating the target during a scientific test when witnesses are watching.
See what happens when the best dowsers try to locate water while skeptical witnesses are watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqoYrSd94kA

After you watch this video, you will see that the 10 best professional water dowsers in Australia all failed to find the flowing water under the ground.
The all showed they were not more successful than random guessing to find where the water was.
A child could guess the same amount of correct answers as the professional dowsers if he guessed locations without being at the site where the water test was being made.
Watch the final results of the test starting at 32:15 in the video.
See what these professional dowsers say.
They all agree the test was fair. But they do not know why they failed.
They begin to think they have a trick of the mind.
After they see they cannot dowse when a scientific test is conducted, they begin to think they were only imagining they can find buried water and metals -- just as a child imagines Santa Claus is real.

It is amazing all of these dowsers believed they would win the prize money because they are the best professional dowsers in all of Australia.
But every single professional dowser failed.
They failed so bad that they were dowsing with the same results that a non-dowser could get from only guessing where the water is.

But if you are sure you really can dowse, then you need to take the Randi test so you can take home $1 million USD.
Then everyone will believe you have proved dowsing can pass a scientific test to locate the target.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by g-sani

There will be a day that it will be scientifically proof that dowsing exists.
Don't worry because it is not far.
Untill then keep sleeping.

Dowsing exists. It is a given. The real question is: Does dowsing work beyond statistical chance?

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi g-sani,
There already is scientific proof that dowsing exists.
We have seen proof that thousands of people use dowsing rods and walk over the ground with dowsing rods in their hands.
There is very strong proof that these thousands of people watch their dowsing rods swing.
We do not need to wait for the proof that dowsing exists.
We have seen proof that dowsing exists for thousands of years.

Dowsing is a fun hobby and game to give hours of fun for people who are hiking in the woods and in the mountains.
Maybe some day these dowsers will prove something more than dowsing exists.
Maybe they can prove they can locate the target when skeptical witnesses are watching.
After thousands of years, nobody has ever been able to prove they are locating the target during a scientific test when witnesses are watching.
See what happens when the best dowsers try to locate water while skeptical witnesses are watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqoYrSd94kA

After you watch this video, you will see that the 10 best professional water dowsers in Australia all failed to find the flowing water under the ground.
The all showed they were not more successful than random guessing to find where the water was.
A child could guess the same amount of correct answers as the professional dowsers if he guessed locations without being at the site where the water test was being made.
Watch the final results of the test starting at 32:15 in the video.
See what these professional dowsers say.
They all agree the test was fair. But they do not know why they failed.
They begin to think they have a trick of the mind.
After they see they cannot dowse when a scientific test is conducted, they begin to think they were only imagining they can find buried water and metals -- just as a child imagines Santa Claus is real.

It is amazing all of these dowsers believed they would win the prize money because they are the best professional dowsers in all of Australia.
But every single professional dowser failed.
They failed so bad that they were dowsing with the same results that a non-dowser could get from only guessing where the water is.

But if you are sure you really can dowse, then you need to take the Randi test so you can take home $1 million USD.
Then everyone will believe you have proved dowsing can pass a scientific test to locate the target.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.

You have not right. Why i to look at the failures of others and not look at my own successes or the successes of my friends;; Begin to believe that something else is done with Randi, perhaps the all pressing makes dowsing to fail.
Always you believed only that you like. You see a clear video of Mineoro where Alonso finds some little gem and accused of being a trick, and when you see the video of the Randi you are not looking to see what happens;;; Where is the trick of the Randi;;;


Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.

You have not right. Why i to look at the failures of others and not look at my own successes or the successes of my friends;; Begin to believe that something else is done with Randi, perhaps the all pressing makes dowsing to fail.
Always you believed only that you like. You see a clear video of Mineoro where Alonso finds some little gem and accused of being a trick, and when you see the video of the Randi you are not looking to see what happens;;; Where is the trick of the Randi;;;


Regards

Hi Geo,
The reason why I look at the failures of others is because they are the only people who show demonstrations of their dowsing abilities in a randomized scientific test.
The dowsers in Australia showed their performance at a randomized scientific test.
And Dell Winders showed his performance with his MFD at a randomized scientific test.
But you and your friends do not show your performance at a randomized scientific test.
You show only videos of your PD making beeps inside a garage and at a tree where you put a coin.
Your videos do not show your dowsing abilities, and they do not show scientific tests.
The videos you show are only demonstrations which cannot pass a scientific test.
I have never seen any video of you and your friends show success to pass a randomized scientific test.

So I have not made the wrong conclusion when I say you and your friends have not shown that you can pass a scientific test to prove you can dowse to find the buried treasure.
If you have truly made a video that shows you and your friends pass a scientific randomized test, then put it in the forum so we can see it.
Then I will say I saw you pass a scientific randomized test of successful dowsing.

---
The reason why I think there is a trick with the Alonso demonstration is because the same people who were at the demonstration said they could not find the same good detection from the FG-90 after Alonso leaves.
They say that after Alonso and his factory team leave, the FG-90 returns to poor performance exactly as the FG-90 has always performed before Alonso came.
The reason why I look for a trick to the Alonso video is because it will cost 10,000 EU to buy an FG-90 that does not work when Alonso is not present to help me to find treasures.
And I do not have money to pay for Alonso to come to help me find treasures every time when I want to go treasure hunting with an FG-90.
So I have only two choices...
1. Pay 10,000 UE for FG-90 and find poor performance same as everyone else finds... then leave the FG-90 in the closet when I want to find treasure... use only other machines to find treasure.
2. Choice 2: Believe there is a trick and do not pay 10,000 EU for FG-90... Use my 10,000 EU to buy other treasure hunting equipment that will work for finding treasure when Alonso is not here to make demonstrations.
If you believe there is no trick to the Alonso video, then what is the reason why you do not use the FG-90 to find small jewelry just as Alonso finds?

Maybe you can tell me the reason why the FG-90 works only when Alonso and his factory team is present.
Then I will not need to believe the reason is because there is a trick.
Can you tell me how this happens when there is no trick?


Best wishes,
J_P

[ris]

Personal to me the Randi org. refused to test me without papers from Academic or media of my country that accept and be sure for my dowsing abilities.The academics and the media of my country refused accept to test me for giving the papers.To make more interesting I offer to test me academics,media or Randi org. to the tests that wants Randi org. and some more that I asked and these are more more difficult than Randi's org but nothing.So now I don't want to show you that I am real dowser because I have not to win something from you....I wanted only earn the money with my real dowsing and they refused it to me without the papers that they want.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by ris

Personal to me the Randi org. refused to test me without papers from Academic or media of my country that accept and be sure for my dowsing abilities.The academics and the media of my country refused accept to test me for giving the papers.To make more interesting I offer to test me academics,media or Randi org. to the tests that wants Randi org. and some more that I asked and these are more more difficult than Randi's org but nothing.So now I don't want to show you that I am real dowser because I have not to win something from you....I wanted only earn the money with my real dowsing and they refused it to me without the papers that they want.

Your own country media and academic will not believe you can dowse even enough to make a test?
Your country refuses to tell Randi that you have dowsing abilities?
What country is this?


Best wishes,
J_P

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,
The reason why I look at the failures of others is because they are the only people who show demonstrations of their dowsing abilities in a randomized scientific test.
The dowsers in Australia showed their performance at a randomized scientific test.
And Dell Winders showed his performance with his MFD at a randomized scientific test.
But you and your friends do not show your performance at a randomized scientific test.
You show only videos of your PD making beeps inside a garage and at a tree where you put a coin.
Your videos do not show your dowsing abilities, and they do not show scientific tests.
The videos you show are only demonstrations which cannot pass a scientific test.
I have never seen any video of you and your friends show success to pass a randomized scientific test.

So I have not made the wrong conclusion when I say you and your friends have not shown that you can pass a scientific test to prove you can dowse to find the buried treasure.
If you have truly made a video that shows you and your friends pass a scientific randomized test, then put it in the forum so we can see it.
Then I will say I saw you pass a scientific randomized test of successful dowsing.

---
The reason why I think there is a trick with the Alonso demonstration is because the same people who were at the demonstration said they could not find the same good detection from the FG-90 after Alonso leaves.
They say that after Alonso and his factory team leave, the FG-90 returns to poor performance exactly as the FG-90 has always performed before Alonso came.
The reason why I look for a trick to the Alonso video is because it will cost 10,000 EU to buy an FG-90 that does not work when Alonso is not present to help me to find treasures.
And I do not have money to pay for Alonso to come to help me find treasures every time when I want to go treasure hunting with an FG-90.
So I have only two choices...
1. Pay 10,000 UE for FG-90 and find poor performance same as everyone else finds... then leave the FG-90 in the closet when I want to find treasure... use only other machines to find treasure.
2. Choice 2: Believe there is a trick and do not pay 10,000 EU for FG-90... Use my 10,000 EU to buy other treasure hunting equipment that will work for finding treasure when Alonso is not here to make demonstrations.
If you believe there is no trick to the Alonso video, then what is the reason why you do not use the FG-90 to find small jewelry just as Alonso finds?

Maybe you can tell me the reason why the FG-90 works only when Alonso and his factory team is present.
Then I will not need to believe the reason is because there is a trick.
Can you tell me how this happens when there is no trick?


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P

I will stay on a few points only.
For video from the PD, i show you something very difficult, and you again refused to accept it. What could be more difficult than to the object next to many other objects, and to ignore all except gold;; I did the test from various angles, so you do not think that affected the horizons, but you still nothing. That and show a video, you will always find something that does not convince you. So there is no reason for another video.
I remember that when I returned from Portugal and I said that the Morgan's PD work, they accused me as official of Mineoro, and that Morgan might use remotes to fool with. Imagine what will happen with a dowsing video. There is no way to convince them. Perhaps wrongly talking.


Regards

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,


---
The reason why I think there is a trick with the Alonso demonstration is because the same people who were at the demonstration said they could not find the same good detection from the FG-90 after Alonso leaves.
They say that after Alonso and his factory team leave, the FG-90 returns to poor performance exactly as the FG-90 has always performed before Alonso came.
The reason why I look for a trick to the Alonso video is because it will cost 10,000 EU to buy an FG-90 that does not work when Alonso is not present to help me to find treasures.
And I do not have money to pay for Alonso to come to help me find treasures every time when I want to go treasure hunting with an FG-90.
So I have only two choices...
1. Pay 10,000 UE for FG-90 and find poor performance same as everyone else finds... then leave the FG-90 in the closet when I want to find treasure... use only other machines to find treasure.
2. Choice 2: Believe there is a trick and do not pay 10,000 EU for FG-90... Use my 10,000 EU to buy other treasure hunting equipment that will work for finding treasure when Alonso is not here to make demonstrations.
If you believe there is no trick to the Alonso video, then what is the reason why you do not use the FG-90 to find small jewelry just as Alonso finds?

Maybe you can tell me the reason why the FG-90 works only when Alonso and his factory team is present.
Then I will not need to believe the reason is because there is a trick.
Can you tell me how this happens when there is no trick?


Best wishes,
J_P

It is strange that you have problem with the high cost of FG90 and not a concern for the enormous amount gives Randi. Why you do not looking to see what tricks he could use the Randi in order not to give this large sum;;
As for Alonso and the FG90, i would say only that I do have some doubts, but I can not blame someone without having proofs .As why not buy a FG90, and to use it to find little gem is very simple. Not my money surplus to the mood for a FG90. Frankly if I had a FG90 i would use in finding someone treasure.

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P

I will stay on a few points only.
For video from the PD, i show you something very difficult, and you again refused to accept it. What could be more difficult than to the object next to many other objects, and to ignore all except gold;; I did the test from various angles, so you do not think that affected the horizons, but you still nothing. That and show a video, you will always find something that does not convince you. So there is no reason for another video.
I remember that when I returned from Portugal and I said that the Morgan's PD work, they accused me as official of Mineoro, and that Morgan might use remotes to fool with. Imagine what will happen with a dowsing video. There is no way to convince them. Perhaps wrongly talking.


Regards

Hi Geo,
I do not believe Randi uses tricks.
I believe he wants to give the prize to someone who can prove they can pass a randomized scientific test.
But nobody can show him they can pass a scientific randomized test.
This is the same kind of test Carl_NC gives.
Do you also want me to look for tricks that Carl-NC makes for his $25,000?

I did not refuse to accept you video.
And I did not accuse you of using a remote.
I accept the videos you showed of demonstrations that you want to show, but I do not accept that your videos are randomized scientific test videos.
You cannot require that I must say you showed a randomized scientific test.
If I say you showed a randomized scientific test, then I will be telling a lie in the forum.
It is not true!
You did not show a randomized scientific test.
And I will not tell a lie to say you showed a randomized scientific test.

You are wrong to say the video you showed is difficult.
I can make a video which shows the same kind of demonstration that you show.
This is very easy for me to make this video.
I do not even need to use an LRL to make beeps when I point to the direction of the target.
And I can use a locator that will show better beeping than you showed.

It is very easy for me to make a video to show beeping as you showed in your videos.
But it is very difficult to make a video which shows an LRL passing a randomized scientific test.
A randomized scientific test will require that the LRL makes beeps only when it is locating the target at a time the user does not know where it is hidden.
A randomized scientific test is made when nobody watching the test knows where the target is hidden.

I think it is difficult to show a video of passing a randomized scientific test.
And I think I will not be showing any locator passing a randomized scientific test to locate hidden things at long distance.
I think that you cannot show a randomized scientific test which shows your LRL always locating the hidden target when nobody knows where it is hidden.

I think your videos show only a demonstration of what you want to show, not a randomized scientific test.
But if I am wrong, and you have passed a randomized scientific test, then post your video here so we can see it.
Then we will all say we have it wrong, and Geo showed a video which passed a randomized scientific test.


Best wishes,
J_P

[ris]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Your own country media and academic will not believe you can dowse even enough to make a test?
Your country refuses to tell Randi that you have dowsing abilities?
What country is this?


Best wishes,
J_P

This is unfortunately the truth!!!
Also I asked from Randi org. if there is somebody who knows him in my country to meet him and show my abilities for believing me and allow me to test my abilities but nothing. Never might... but this is also the truth!!!!

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Geo,
I do not believe Randi uses tricks.
I believe he wants to give the prize to someone who can prove they can pass a randomized scientific test.
But nobody can show him they can pass a scientific randomized test.
This is the same kind of test Carl_NC gives.
Do you also want me to look for tricks that Carl-NC makes for his $25,000?

I did not refuse to accept you video.
And I did not accuse you of using a remote.
I accept the videos you showed of demonstrations that you want to show, but I do not accept that your videos are randomized scientific test videos.
You cannot require that I must say you showed a randomized scientific test.
If I say you showed a randomized scientific test, then I will be telling a lie in the forum.
It is not true!
You did not show a randomized scientific test.
And I will not tell a lie to say you showed a randomized scientific test.

You are wrong to say the video you showed is difficult.
I can make a video which shows the same kind of demonstration that you show.
This is very easy for me to make this video.
I do not even need to use an LRL to make beeps when I point to the direction of the target.
And I can use a locator that will show better beeping than you showed.

It is very easy for me to make a video to show beeping as you showed in your videos.
But it is very difficult to make a video which shows an LRL passing a randomized scientific test.
A randomized scientific test will require that the LRL makes beeps only when it is locating the target at a time the user does not know where it is hidden.
A randomized scientific test is made when nobody watching the test knows where the target is hidden.

I think it is difficult to show a video of passing a randomized scientific test.
And I think I will not be showing any locator passing a randomized scientific test to locate hidden things at long distance.
I think that you cannot show a randomized scientific test which shows your LRL always locating the hidden target when nobody knows where it is hidden.

I think your videos show only a demonstration of what you want to show, not a randomized scientific test.
But if I am wrong, and you have passed a randomized scientific test, then post your video here so we can see it.
Then we will all say we have it wrong, and Geo showed a video which passed a randomized scientific test.


Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
Sorry but you are wrong again. My videos show what my LRLs locates, not what i want to show. I am not a showman.

Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.
Sorry but you are wrong again. My videos show what my LRLs locates, not what i want to show. I am not a showman.

Regards

No, Geo I am not wrong.
Everybody saw your videos showing your LRL locating.
I said I heard the beeping in your videos.
I never said I did not watch and see the beeping.
I never said your LRL did not locate.
Why do you say I am wrong?

You know very well your videos show the demonstrations that you want to show.
If your videos do not show the demonstrations you want to show, then why did you post them here to show them?

You also know very well you did not show a randomized scientific test in your videos, as I said you did not.
And you know it is wrong to expect me to say you showed a randomized scientific test which you did not show.
Why do you want me to believe you showed your LRL pass a randomized scientific when I can watch your videos and see you did not?
Am I wrong?
Can you show me a video you posted which shows a randomized scientific test?


Best wishes,
J_P

[digital logic]

Originally Posted by g-sani

There will be a day that it will be scientifically proof that dowsing exists.
Don't worry because it is not far.
Untill then keep sleeping.

George ,remember to wake us, why would sleep for centuries...

Best Regards to all !