MFD "reflections"

[Mike(Mont)]

Here again, "reflections" as used to mean a reflection from an MFD frequency device is probably a misnomer. A piece of aluminum may actually act as a transmitter as the MFD signal is absorbed into the field around the aluminum and pulsed. It's not the same as the clean MFD signal but I'm certainly not that good at differentiating. So I sort of thought if you want to check to see if you have a reflection, maybe use some different frequencies for other elements that are rare to your area and see if they all give a signal it might be a reflection.

[Mike(Mont)]

The frequencies that come off aluminum really seem to have a multitude of harmonics and I just felt that I was not even able to sense beyond a certain point. But it's like there is some light frequencies coming out with it. For some reason people think there is a cut-off frequency when you can no longer feel or sense the wave. Start with sunlight. Most people will agree they can feel sunlight.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

A piece of aluminum may actually act as a transmitter as the MFD signal is absorbed into the field around the aluminum and pulsed. It's not the same as the clean MFD signal but I'm certainly not that good at differentiating.

Please describe what a "MFD signal" is. Be specific.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

A piece of aluminum may actually act as a transmitter as the MFD signal i

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You mean transmitter or reflector of signals?
And, as Jim ask, please explain your mean of term "MFD signal"!

[Mike(Mont)]

Just wanted to share this experience I had. There was a 10' piece of aluminum rain gutter lying sideways on the ground so the top opening was facing the transmitter and angled maybe 120 degrees. I unknowingly walked maybe eight feet away and the receiver started to pick up some strange, eery sounds. Now here's the part you want to quote, I swear when I looked at the alum gutter and listened to the receiver I could almost see the waves like I was looking at a spectrum analyzer!!!! Somehow I could hear the waves off the aluminum like light waves going through a prism. Hope you have some fun with this one!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Just wanted to share this experience I had. There was a 10' piece of aluminum rain gutter lying sideways on the ground so the top opening was facing the transmitter and angled maybe 120 degrees. I unknowingly walked maybe eight feet away and the receiver started to pick up some strange, eery sounds. Now here's the part you want to quote, I swear when I looked at the alum gutter and listened to the receiver I could almost see the waves like I was looking at a spectrum analyzer!!!! Somehow I could hear the waves off the aluminum like light waves going through a prism. Hope you have some fun with this one!

Are you making this stuff up?
Even if you're having a laugh, I bet Hung believes it hook line and sinker, without even a shred of evidence.

[Mike(Mont)]

Just an edit to my previous post.

I rechecked the angle of the alum gutter and it was very near to ninety degrees from the transmitter (not 120). Also, I was about four feet away (not 8 feet).

[Mike(Mont)]

Maybe this is the answer?

http://www.mixsig.net/

[fenixdigger]

This stuff does sound crazy, doesn't it???

I can't blame you guys for some of the questions, but some of them are just to start an argument.

We use common words to describe something we see or find and it doesn't make sense to anyone not there.

ie; signal line--- no such thing. It's a reaction from a source to a target. What is it really??
Who knows, it's a guess at best. It's like the coat hanger/ water line thing on a stretched out version.

A lot of stuff like this goes on in the field. we would post a lot more, but the screaming would get too loud. We do it e-mail and p/m between us. Too bad you get cut out of it, dam interesting.
Think of this;Mike and I are doing the same sort of thing and we're looking to get better at the discrimination. (just pretend ) Why would I lie to him and vice versus? Not going to do it.
Nothing to accomplish by that. He tells me something, do you think I'm asking for proof???
Why, I'm already seeing something close to what he is saying to start with.

I understand a critical point of view as I was there once, but what I cannot grasp is how
a rational person can imagine they know and understand what goes on with our crew or other people in the field. I guess that word (rational) is the key.

Mike; try raising the freq. 8% and put a heavy duty magnet on the ground 5 ft from transmitter. Is this the 5,000 you are using?

I have 3 alum. cans with probe holes in them. All have some sort of gold anodizing on them.
The freq. shift knocked them out, as we keep all trash targets we find to refine setup.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

Nothing to accomplish by that. He tells me something, do you think I'm asking for proof???
Why, I'm already seeing something close to what he is saying to start with.

.

It is not about someone self-conscious and beliefs.
Religion is a private matter, and everyone can believe what he wants.

It is about crime scam. It is a scam that exploited people's beliefs for profit.
It is about very danger crime scam causing even unnecessary human casualties (i.e. Iraq).

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Maybe this is the answer?

http://www.mixsig.net/

Synesthesia may be a fascinating condition in some people, but the condition you have is something else. Besides, I don't think synesthesia includes such symptoms as self-delusion, selective memory, and the ability to exclude scientific evidence that proves dowsing is nothing more than a trick of the mind.

[fenixdigger]

Uh,,,Religion ? Crime spree ? Human causalities ? OK, I guess Not versed enough to combine into metal detecting discussion.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

Uh,,,Religion ? Crime spree ? Human causalities ? OK, I guess Not versed enough to combine into metal detecting discussion.

The fact is that none of us here really care that much that you, Art, Hung, Mike (Mont) and the rest, believe in the medieval practices of dowsing. You have clearly made up your minds to believe whatever mystical stuff you want, despite any evidence to the contrary. As long as none of you are putting other people's lives at risk, then I guess it's only your own time and energies that are being wasted.

So why do the skeptics here continue to "debate" this nonsense with the dowsing and LRL believers?
There are two main reasons:

1. Because we can, and it provides us with some amusement.
2. Other members, who are sitting on the sidelines and reading these forums, need to have a balanced view of the subject.

Keep posting ... and we will be here to give a skeptical (and factual) response.

As H3Tec are fond of saying: "You can't hide from the Geotech skeptics".
(or something similar)

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Qiaozh

...So why do the skeptics here continue to "debate" this nonsense with the dowsing and LRL believers?
There are two main reasons:

1. Because we can, and it provides us with some amusement.
2. Other members, who are sitting on the sidelines and reading these forums, need to have a balanced view of the subject.

yup
Hahahahaaaaaaa

[Saturna]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

You have clearly made up your minds to believe whatever mystical stuff you want, despite any evidence to the contrary.

Never underestimate the want, or even need to believe.

[fenixdigger]

It is good to have a BALANCED view on anything.

We are always testing and trying different procedures including ways to not lock certain targets. Even trying to prove some of Carl's statements. So I am open to any discovery.

As far as wish and want, If I can see it on a consistent basis, I'll believe it.

For 1 instant, what if EVERYTHING I have posted was the absolute truth? Give that some thought.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

It is good to have a BALANCED view on anything.

We are always testing and trying different procedures including ways to not lock certain targets. Even trying to prove some of Carl's statements. So I am open to any discovery.

As far as wish and want, If I can see it on a consistent basis, I'll believe it.

For 1 instant, what if EVERYTHING I have posted was the absolute truth? Give that some thought.

Actually, I believe that everything you posted is the absolute truth (as viewed through your eyes). I think you probably would not submit false information here.
But then, suppose other people were also present at the places you were when you made your observations.
Suppose these other hypothetical witnesses saw the same historical events that you saw, but arrived at different conclusions...

Does this mean you are a liar? I don't think so.
I think it means that the "truth" depends on the person who is interpreting what is observed.
Of course, this kind of viewpoint is not convenient for classifying things as black and white, true or false, etc. but it may be closer to reality than what is often shoved in our faces.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Mike(Mont)]

Originally Posted by fenixdigger

This stuff does sound crazy, doesn't it???

I can't blame you guys for some of the questions, but some of them are just to start an argument.

We use common words to describe something we see or find and it doesn't make sense to anyone not there.

ie; signal line--- no such thing. It's a reaction from a source to a target. What is it really??
Who knows, it's a guess at best. It's like the coat hanger/ water line thing on a stretched out version.

A lot of stuff like this goes on in the field. we would post a lot more, but the screaming would get too loud. We do it e-mail and p/m between us. Too bad you get cut out of it, dam interesting.
Think of this;Mike and I are doing the same sort of thing and we're looking to get better at the discrimination. (just pretend ) Why would I lie to him and vice versus? Not going to do it.
Nothing to accomplish by that. He tells me something, do you think I'm asking for proof???
Why, I'm already seeing something close to what he is saying to start with.

I understand a critical point of view as I was there once, but what I cannot grasp is how
a rational person can imagine they know and understand what goes on with our crew or other people in the field. I guess that word (rational) is the key.

Mike; try raising the freq. 8% and put a heavy duty magnet on the ground 5 ft from transmitter. Is this the 5,000 you are using?

I have 3 alum. cans with probe holes in them. All have some sort of gold anodizing on them.
The freq. shift knocked them out, as we keep all trash targets we find to refine setup.

Sorry it took so long to reply here. The Magnacast has a slight frequency shift but not enough to to get 8%. The whole idea of the field around the aluminum pulsing and acting like a transmitter is probably something like what happens with the gold. I did see one article a few days ago that talked about some higher frequencies being upconverted into the IR range. So I might not be too far off with my observations.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Actually, I believe that everything you posted is the absolute truth (as viewed through your eyes). I think you probably would not submit false information here.
But then, suppose other people were also present at the places you were when you made your observations.
Suppose these other hypothetical witnesses saw the same historical events that you saw, but arrived at different conclusions...

Does this mean you are a liar? I don't think so.
I think it means that the "truth" depends on the person who is interpreting what is observed.
Of course, this kind of viewpoint is not convenient for classifying things as black and white, true or false, etc. but it may be closer to reality than what is often shoved in our faces.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P.
I agree, but you must add that the "truth" not depends on the person who only stay in his armchair and only writes....

Regards

[Mike(Mont)]

Got that one right, Geo.

You know this was supposed to be an interesting discussion on how a rain gutter can become something like a prism for EM waves. Instead I get more sociopathic skeptic sickness. I am really starting to believe every one of these SSS work for the metal detector industry. I'm sure the greedy bas@#%$ really believe "every dollar that goes to LRL's is a dollar less for the metal detectors". That in itself is a sickness and it's not even right. GREED is king.

[Geo]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Got that one right, Geo.

You know this was supposed to be an interesting discussion on how a rain gutter can become something like a prism for EM waves. Instead I get more sociopathic skeptic sickness. I am really starting to believe every one of these SSS work for the metal detector industry. I'm sure the greedy bas@#%$ really believe "every dollar that goes to LRL's is a dollar less for the metal detectors". That in itself is a sickness and it's not even right. GREED is king.

Hi Mike.
I agree. But you can enjoy with all these sceptics.
They speak for metal detectors. Why they don't say "who metal detectors"????
Does they mean as metal detector the device that can locate a coin at 20... 25 cm inside the earth, or 40.. 50 cn a jar full of coins (a small treasure)???
Can they make a double blind test to locate a coin only at 1m depth???
NO
Regards

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Mike.
I agree. But you can enjoy with all these sceptics.
They speak for metal detectors. Why they don't say "who metal detectors"????
Does they mean as metal detector the device that can locate a coin at 20... 25 cm inside the earth, or 40.. 50 cn a jar full of coins (a small treasure)???
Can they make a double blind test to locate a coin only at 1m depth???
NO
Regards

Hi Geo,
We are waiting for you to show your best LRL find a treasure when skeptics are watching.
I am certain you only tell true stories.
But I have been told that if a skeptic watches when you search with your best LRL, the LRL will no longer work to find any treasure.

Maybe I was told the wrong information. It is not true, is it?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi Mike.
I agree. But you can enjoy with all these sceptics.
They speak for metal detectors. Why they don't say "who metal detectors"????
Does they mean as metal detector the device that can locate a coin at 20... 25 cm inside the earth, or 40.. 50 cn a jar full of coins (a small treasure)???
Can they make a double blind test to locate a coin only at 1m depth???
NO
Regards

Over TNET, someone stated that a skeptic is a sick person who needs treatment.

I say, a skeptic is a role played by some once their interests are threatened.
How long you both Geo and Mike, will fool yourselves hanging around in here wasting your time with these bunch trying to change this?

This site belongs to a person who works for a MD manufacturer taken to court due to stealing competitor's technology. In this case, Minelab.
An obsolete technology! They can't even make original obsolete things!

Geo and Mike. You both know much more than these people regarding LRLs.
Don't waste your time here trying to talk about the obvious with them.
You know what I mean.

I wish you both some nice findings this weekend with your LRLs.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Don't waste your time here trying to talk about the obvious with them.

So what's your excuse?

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi J_P.

I agree, but you must add that the "truth" not depends on the person who only stay in his armchair and only writes....

Regards

Hi Geo

Truth depends on a properly conducted test according of scientific criteria.

The correct test should eliminate all subjective influences of both: of the dowser as of the writer.

The writers are not afraid to participate in a scientific test, but dowsers always escape and instead of test offer quasi scientifical excuses.