H3Tec discussion

[Jim]

I grabbed this off the H3 forum. Some funny reading:


Hi everyone,

You may know the issues surrounding Treasure net forum. There are a few guys out there and one especially that works for Whites metal detectors. Whites is a great company with fantastic gear. However Carl thinks he's smarter than everyone in the world and has decided to take matters with H3 into his hands and has told the world that we do not manufacture a product stating "It has no board in it", "it can't work". We have invited Carl to Utah to see our production and assembly shop as well as test drive our products. He refuses stating that he's offering us a 25K challenge. Well it's a contract that can't be met, so he get's 5k for his efforts. H3 has sent formal paperwork to Treasure net forum to start our legal processes on these guys. I'm the first to say, I don't like Court, reasonable folks can resolve issues prior to turning things over to Judges. So you have noticed that you can't get to Treasure net forum. They did the right thing and turned off the forum. I'm sure as soon as they get their site scrubbed they will be back up. For all the users of the Treasure net forum, we are sorry to take these steps but our Brand, our Name, and our products are world class. We simply won't put up with folks from Whites electronics, or any other company liable, slander, and broadcast false attacks. This is very serious and there has been some industrial espionage involved. We really must be making an impression on some folks. Shallow Water Recovery is also very shallow, they sent Phil an email on our demo at the UGPC in SLC where we successfully demonstrated the H3 to everyone there. 95 people asked questions and we answered them not holding one thing from them. It may take a while to get all this behind us, but we will win. What he have works, and works all the time.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Jim

I grabbed this off the H3 forum. Some funny reading:


Hi everyone,

You may know the issues surrounding Treasure net forum. There are a few guys out there and one especially that works for Whites metal detectors. Whites is a great company with fantastic gear. However Carl thinks he's smarter than everyone in the world and has decided to take matters with H3 into his hands and has told the world that we do not manufacture a product stating "It has no board in it", "it can't work". We have invited Carl to Utah to see our production and assembly shop as well as test drive our products. He refuses stating that he's offering us a 25K challenge. Well it's a contract that can't be met, so he get's 5k for his efforts. H3 has sent formal paperwork to Treasure net forum to start our legal processes on these guys. I'm the first to say, I don't like Court, reasonable folks can resolve issues prior to turning things over to Judges. So you have noticed that you can't get to Treasure net forum. They did the right thing and turned off the forum. I'm sure as soon as they get their site scrubbed they will be back up. For all the users of the Treasure net forum, we are sorry to take these steps but our Brand, our Name, and our products are world class. We simply won't put up with folks from Whites electronics, or any other company liable, slander, and broadcast false attacks. This is very serious and there has been some industrial espionage involved. We really must be making an impression on some folks. Shallow Water Recovery is also very shallow, they sent Phil an email on our demo at the UGPC in SLC where we successfully demonstrated the H3 to everyone there. 95 people asked questions and we answered them not holding one thing from them. It may take a while to get all this behind us, but we will win. What he have works, and works all the time.

I might be wrong, but it appears that you and your 'ghost buster' buddy above will learn a big lesson soon.

Let's just keep watching.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

I might be wrong, but it appears that you and your 'ghost buster' buddy above will learn a big lesson soon.

Let's just keep watching.

A big lesson how crime can avoid real chalenge and instead of this try to threaten by legal proceedings.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I might be wrong, but it appears that you and your 'ghost buster' buddy above will learn a big lesson soon.

Let's just keep watching.

There is no doubt that you are wrong, so there's no change there then.
I was wondering when you would appear to make a comment.

You really cannot keep defending this sort of rubbish. According to their website: "H3 Tec is in the army and on the ground protecting our troops in the Middle East.".
This is a really scary thought.

They then go on to say: "H3 is proud to have a hand in protecting our service men and women from Improvised Explosive Devices.".
Blimey! That is a real oxymoron. A useless dowsing gadget being used to detect IEDs. Eek! I really hope they just threw it in the back of the shed and forgot about it.

But they then continue: "H3 Tec salutes our brave young men and women for their courage and sacrifices. May God bless their families and keep everyone safe.".
Well ... you're not wrong there. Anyone using this device to detect IEDs is certainly heading for a big sacrifice. But calling on your favorite deity to protect them is just not going to work.

I salute Carl for his efforts to put a stop to this nonsense before someone gets hurt.

Hung - if you still believe that this crap works, then perhaps you should pop over to the Middle East and do a bit of IED detecting on behalf of the U.S. Army. I would only pay the on-way price, as you won't be needing the return ticket.

[Mike(Mont)]

Just ask yourself Who is responsible for shutting down tnet forum? If you blame H3TEC you are wrong.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

There is no doubt that you are wrong, so there's no change there then.
I was wondering when you would appear to make a comment.

You really cannot keep defending this sort of rubbish. According to their website: "H3 Tec is in the army and on the ground protecting our troops in the Middle East.".
This is a really scary thought.

They then go on to say: "H3 is proud to have a hand in protecting our service men and women from Improvised Explosive Devices.".
Blimey! That is a real oxymoron. A useless dowsing gadget being used to detect IEDs. Eek! I really hope they just threw it in the back of the shed and forgot about it.

But they then continue: "H3 Tec salutes our brave young men and women for their courage and sacrifices. May God bless their families and keep everyone safe.".
Well ... you're not wrong there. Anyone using this device to detect IEDs is certainly heading for a big sacrifice. But calling on your favorite deity to protect them is just not going to work.

I salute Carl for his efforts to put a stop to this nonsense before someone gets hurt.

Hung - if you still believe that this crap works, then perhaps you should pop over to the Middle East and do a bit of IED detecting on behalf of the U.S. Army. I would only pay the on-way price, as you won't be needing the return ticket.

All I know is that you are one of the 'pretend to be scientists' here who completely lack the scientific understanding to explain and comprehend the physical events related to the concept of long range substance location and keeps bashing manufacturers and users.

Someday there would be a consequence.
We'll see.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by hung

Someday there would be a consequence.

Not someday, consequences have been yet: unnecessary human casualties from the use of devices such as H3Tec in field of security.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

All I know is that you are one of the 'pretend to be scientists' here who completely lack the scientific understanding to explain and comprehend the physical events related to the concept of long range substance location and keeps bashing manufacturers and users.

Someday there would be a consequence.
We'll see.

OK - you stay with the long-range substances and I'll stick with real science.

By the way, I know you are persona non grata with your Brazilian "colleagues". One of them emailed me to say that you are crazy and reckless, and they use the term "big mouth" or "loose language".

Not my words ... I'm just telling you the reality of the situation.
And don't ask who said it, as it will remain a secret.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Mike(Mont)

Just ask yourself Who is responsible for shutting down tnet forum? If you blame H3TEC you are wrong.

I think you are correct. When you try to access the forum it says "We're Sorry. The forum is offline due to technical difficulties. We are working on the problem. Thank you for your patience."

Crikey! ... I just agreed with you.

[J_Player]

Hi hung,
I saw your interesting and informative message to Qiaozhi:

Originally Posted by hung

All I know is that you are one of the 'pretend to be scientists' here who completely lack the scientific understanding to explain and comprehend the physical events related to the concept of long range substance location and keeps bashing manufacturers and users.

Someday there would be a consequence.
We'll see.

Actually, I don't think Qiaozhi ever pretended to be a scientist. I think he is among many other technically trained and accomplished people who prefer to see scientific methods used to determine what works or does not. I suppose opening an electronic device to see what's inside it, or trying to follow the instructions to see if the device does what it is claimed to do are not considered scientific, but then nobody who is looking at the H3Tec locators claims to be a scientist except some of the people who the factory reps claim are scientists that contributed to the development of the H3Tec.

Are the H3Tec factory scientists pretend scientists?
Who knows? H3Tec did not say who these scientists are.
But they did say the H3Tec could fail to find the silver bar in Carl's pocket as he walked in front of it because the locator may have been tuned to a different silver isotope than the one found in Carl's silver bar.

I am not a scientist either, but I know the smell of BS, and I know it is not possible for a silver bar to be deficient in either of the two stable silver isotopes that you could tune an isotope detector to identify (if this machine was really capable of detecting an isotope of silver). This leads me to think there is no scientist associated with the H3Tec, as scientists know the isotope signature of natural silver and manufactured silver bars, and they would not say anything that stupid. Could H3Tec be lying to us?

There are many manufacturers and promoters of fake LRLs who would say stupid things such as that to us. I have read all manner of stupid pseudoscience published by LRL manufacturers and promoters, which makes me think the pretend scientists are mostly found among the supporters of LRLs. For example, I even heard one "pretend to be scientist" post in this forum that gold has DNA which produces a substance that coats the metal to help fight against oxidation.

Did that post come from Qiaozhi? I don't think so.

Best wishes
J_P

[hung]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

OK - you stay with the long-range substances and I'll stick with real science.

By the way, I know you are persona non grata with your Brazilian "colleagues". One of them emailed me to say that you are crazy and reckless, and they use the term "big mouth" or "loose language".

Not my words ... I'm just telling you the reality of the situation.
And don't ask who said it, as it will remain a secret.

No kidding!
I happened to also have a UK member emailing me once and telling even worse things about you!
What an interesting coincidence! I never thought someone from geoskepthic forums would do such a 'blasfemy' to you.
Who do you think is telling the truth? Or they are both right?

On and on, you need to get rid of Gibon and Goldenskull first...
This will be a tough task. Currently they are spanking you bad.

Oh my... this forum gets more hilarious each day. Sorry Ozzy, but something tells me that the show started to take on here soon after your promotion as 'moderator.
Bye my friend. Gotta go. Coffe break is over.

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Jim

You may know the issues surrounding Treasure net forum. There are a few guys out there and one especially that works for Whites metal detectors. Whites is a great company with fantastic gear. However Carl thinks he's smarter than everyone in the world and has decided to take matters with H3 into his hands and has told the world that we do not manufacture a product stating "It has no board in it", "it can't work". We have invited Carl to Utah to see our production and assembly shop as well as test drive our products. He refuses stating that he's offering us a 25K challenge. Well it's a contract that can't be met, so he get's 5k for his efforts. H3 has sent formal paperwork to Treasure net forum to start our legal processes on these guys. I'm the first to say, I don't like Court, reasonable folks can resolve issues prior to turning things over to Judges. So you have noticed that you can't get to Treasure net forum. They did the right thing and turned off the forum. I'm sure as soon as they get their site scrubbed they will be back up. For all the users of the Treasure net forum, we are sorry to take these steps but our Brand, our Name, and our products are world class. We simply won't put up with folks from Whites electronics, or any other company liable, slander, and broadcast false attacks. This is very serious and there has been some industrial espionage involved. We really must be making an impression on some folks. Shallow Water Recovery is also very shallow, they sent Phil an email on our demo at the UGPC in SLC where we successfully demonstrated the H3 to everyone there. 95 people asked questions and we answered them not holding one thing from them. It may take a while to get all this behind us, but we will win. What he have works, and works all the time.

Yeah, I saw this... pretty funny, trying to take credit for TNet's shutdown. It's just a hacker, has nothing to do with H3Tec. Chuck's desperately trying to appear aggressive to his flock. Lot's of foot-stomping and finger-wagging and vague talk of legal sumpin-er-udder.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

No kidding!
I happened to also have a UK member emailing me once and telling even worse things about you!

I'm a little disappointed you didn't make more of an effort with your reply.

I would think that H3Tec should be more than happy to submit their device to Sandia Labs for testing, assuming that it actually works. Can you imagine the worldwide acclaim that would result from a successful test? Not to mention the $25,000 from Carl and $1M from James Randi.

Of course, if the device is really a fraud, then you would expect the sort of threatening behavior we are seeing now.

[Art3811]

Are you still having fun?....Looks to me that H3Tec has called you out….The thousands of LRL and MFD owners/operators say..it’s about time….Art

[Daniel A.]

What's the deal with them using a logo that looks like Whites.

I really don't think an intelligent person would take credit hacking a web site.

Dan

[hung]

Visiting H3Tec's forum today, I stumbled upon a post from somebody that disclose a portion of the factual data that is hidden behind the bait.

'
"...Not to mention a lot of industry types who are scared to death of watching their product become obsolete.

I don't know how many of you have done this, but I have ingots of pure silver and silver with alloys, and I've tested my H3 to see how it reacts when set to the different isotope numbers. 107 ignored the ingots and locked on the coins, and 109 ignored the coins and locked on to the ingots.

One thing I can agree with about the guy who said this couldn't be possible: he's no scientist."


Bolds by me.

For the time being, let's leave Carl talking, it's fun.

Eventually we'll reach the epilogue.

[Jim]

As discussed on several other treasure hunting forums, TreasureNet had some hardware failure and the server is down.

In an email from Marc Austin (owner) "First I want to apologize for the downtime. I am doing everything I can to bring the forum back up to full speed. (I never thought we'd be down this long, or I would have written sooner!) I also want to assure you that no messages or images have been lost. This was strictly a hardware - not a software failure. Unfortunately, we need a pretty specific piece of hardware (a RAID card) - and because of the Thanksgiving holiday, we may not get the card until Monday, the 28th."

Jim

[Art3811]

]Hi Jim,

Just a note, maybe for the wise. We have been following you and your talk about our company. It is less than informed, and more than unchallengeable. I’m sorry you have come out to purposely do damage to our company without even accepting an invitation to use the H3, come to our manufacturing facilities and test drive the H3. You have pushed this issue past the point of reason or reconsideration.

Sounds reasonable to me Jim….Unless you are afraid to learn the truth….Art

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Art3811

Sounds reasonable to me Jim….Unless you are afraid to learn the truth….Art

So, independend scientific proven double blind test are not reasonable to you? Who are afraid to learn the truth?

Nice greetings to Hung.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Art3811

Sounds reasonable to me Jim….Unless you are afraid to learn the truth….Art

Ah yes....you believe a pocket calculator can transmit a special treasure finding beam. I am sure even a Buffalo fart sounds reasonable to you

[Art3811]

So, independend scientific proven double blind test are not reasonable to you?

Carl can not do an impendent scientific double blind test… He is a bias person.
Let's begin by explaining "double blind":
In a Double Blind experiment neither the individuals nor the researchers know who belongs to the control group(placebo group)and who belongs to the experimental group.
The researchers and the individuals only get to know who is in what group only after ALL the data has been recorded.
This eliminates bias (whether intentional or not) from the researchers and the individuals and it eliminates any "Placebo-effect" bias”
Carl is not qualified because of his own Bias….
How do you know that this Company has not done a Double Blind Test on their products? I have preformed many double blind studies of my own tools….I am bias and I know that but the tests confirm to me that they do perform. After all…The owner/ user makes the decisions as to how well the tool works…Art

[Art3811]

Ah yes....you believe a pocket calculator can transmit a special treasure finding beam. I am sure even a Buffalo fart sounds reasonable to you

I know that for a fact “Jim”. A pocket calculator will find gold at a distance of ¼ mile buried at one foot deep. .Since your the expert on everything…Please tell us if it sounds like a Double Blind Test?

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Art3811

Carl is not qualified because of his own Bias…. How do you know that this Company has not done a Double Blind Test on their products?

That's funny, Art. First you say Carl is not qualified to conduct a DB test because of bias; then you say; "How do you know that company has not done a DB test on their products?

I guess if they have done a DB test on their products, it would of course be disqualified because of their bias.

Guess you shot yourself in the foot on that one, dipstick. Probably it would be better if you didn't try to help H3Tec, they have enough problems right now as it is; they don't need you making things even worse.

I have preformed many double blind studies of my own tools….

What a laugh! You wouldn't know a true DB test from apple butter. If that isn't obvious, just look at the videos you've posted on YT.

Tnet is supposed to have their new hardware installed, maybe by Friday or Saturday, so you can return soon to the funny farm over there.

[Art3811]

---Quote (Originally by Art3811)---
Carl is not qualified because of his own Bias…. How do you know that this Company has not done a Double Blind Test on their products?
---End Quote---
That's funny, Art. First you say Carl is not qualified to conduct a DB test because of bias; then you say; "How do you know that company has not done a DB test on their products?

Double Talk Experts…You people have no answers…No I have never used one of these devices….I do not know how well it works. None of you know how well it works….Yes…I will return to T-Net soon. Tell Carl…I am still waiting on the $25,000 he owes me….Art

[Carl-NC]

Originally Posted by Art3811

Carl can not do an impendent scientific double blind test… He is a bias person.

Maybe you missed the part where I said:

I can arrange such a test with Sandia National Labs, which has extensive experience in testing these kinds of devices.

Originally Posted by Art3811

Tell Carl…I am still waiting on the $25,000 he owes me….

Like H3Tec, you've refused my offers to put your claims to a proper test. The offer is still open! But I'm guessing you will continue to refuse. Cain't do it. Just like H3Tec.

- Carl