20-30,000 year old recipe

[Ernie]

I was looking in the history books for pre - english (AD1770)
mining activity in Australia when i came across this 20-30,000 year old cave paintint showing how to find water streams, (which usually carry secondary gold/ore deposits).
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/br...s/gallery8.php
Divining or waterwitching back then, wasn't a scam, it was a method of survival. So the idea was painted to teach the next generation.


Interesting as well, is that in this series, but unfortunatly not available for free on the internet any more, is a very primitive 20-30,000 year old painting showing how to detect people in the out back bush, and the system is very similar to a YAGI antenna system array.

happy prospecting

Ernie

[g-sani]

For me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs or mind.
It must be something real about that when it started so many years ago.
Yes it is something happening here and you don't need to be Ainstein to understand it.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Ernie

...but unfortunatly not available for free on the internet any more...

Originally posted by g-sani
For me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs or mind.
It must be something real about that when it started so many years ago.
Yes it is something happening here and you don't need to be Ainstein to understand it.

I am a skeptic about 20-30,000 year old methods to build anything similar to a yagi antenna, much less to use this alleged yagi antenna to detect water. It would be easier to believe it is worth investigating if I could see some supporting evidence to show these paintings are the prehistoric method of making a powerpoint presentation on finding people or water through yagi antenna technology. But like all extraordinary claims, the details are never available to investigate. There is always some reason why we can't see the evidence to make our own assessment of the merits of these claims.

At the link from Ernie, I see a lot of very nice cave paintings that would qualify for top quality modern art work. How can we know these are paintings where Australian aboriginies are trying to teach people how to build similar to yagi antennas to find people in the bush or water?

Best wishes,
J_P

[WM6]

Originally Posted by g-sani

For me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs or mind.
It must be something real about that when it started so many years ago.
Yes it is something happening here and you don't need to be Ainstein to understand it.

What evidence? There are on picture nothing related to dowsing. What we can see are only primitive outer Bluetooth components by which they communicate with each other.

[Fred]

Ernie, a few remarks come to my mind:

Originally Posted by Ernie

Divining or waterwitching back then, wasn't a scam, it was a method of survival. So the idea was painted to teach the next generation.

-How do you know if it was or not a scam. After all men are involved...
-No one says water divining is scam, just a trick of the mind. (untill proven wrong)
-The antenna look more like a LPDA (Log-Periodic Dipole array) than a yagi to me.

[g-sani]

Probably scam is there from the beggining of time but it goes off every time something proves wrong.
Has it happened yet for dowsing?
Well as far as dowsing concerns it looks like it kept on going through time for centuries.
?????????

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by g-sani

Probably scam is there from the beggining of time but it goes off every time something proves wrong.
Has it happened yet for dowsing?
Well as far as dowsing concerns it looks like it kept on going through time for centuries.
?????????

The question is about the cave paintings:
What have we seen to convince anyone that these paintings have anything to do with finding water, or with yagi antennas?

I see photos of cave paintings that look like modern art work, not like instructions to find water. What should I look at to convince me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Carl-NC]

It's very easy to find ancient evidences for dowsing, and very easy to misinterpret that evidence. Here is an 8000-year-old North African cave painting:



Would anyone doubt that this fellow is dowsing?

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

It's very easy to find ancient evidences for dowsing, and very easy to misinterpret that evidence. Here is an 8000-year-old North African cave painting:



Would anyone doubt that this fellow is dowsing?

He is dowsing with arrow and ... No ,this fellow is going for hunting

[Jim]

Appears to be an atlatl* and spear

atlatl* - spear thrower

[mosha]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

It's very easy to find ancient evidences for dowsing, and very easy to misinterpret that evidence. Here is an 8000-year-old North African cave painting:



Would anyone doubt that this fellow is dowsing?

He seems hunting animals by arrow.

regards,

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by J_Player

The question is about the cave paintings:
What have we seen to convince anyone that these paintings have anything to do with finding water, or with yagi antennas?

I see photos of cave paintings that look like modern art work, not like instructions to find water. What should I look at to convince me this is enough evidence for a skeptic to reconsider and reprogram his beliefs?

Best wishes,
J_P

Well after a quick look I had I thought that they hold Y shaped dowsing forks.
Do they?

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by mosha

He seems hunting animals by arrow.

regards,

This guy is hunting something for sure.
But why animals and not gold?

[Fred]

can you eat gold?

[g-sani]

In ancient times they use to cure some diseases by giving a very small quantity of gold to the sick to eat.
If the stomach can act like a chamber then eating gold would enhance ones ability to dowse for gold.

[WM6]

Ancient spiral dowser eating gold chamber:

[WM6]

Another example of very ancient spiral and L dowsing rod technology:

[WM6]

Moderate modern creative dowsing:

[WM6]

Multidimesional and multidirectional extra remote stationary dowsing rod:

[g-sani]

Originally Posted by WM6

Ancient spiral dowser eating gold chamber:

monkey business

[J_Player]

If you look at the link Ernie posted for the Australian cave paintings at the Kimberly, you will find this page http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/bradshaws/gallery.php that shows galleries with a description of each painting, telling you what you see in the painting. The descriptions do not talk about yagi antennas or dowsing. They talk about head dresses, arm bands, tassels, and other ornaments that the primitive hunters used. There are even pictures of hunters sharpening their spears.

It seems to me that in the prehistoric times, tribal communities were mostly concerned with collecting enough food to survive, and spending what spare time they had making clothes and ornaments. From what I have read, the prehistoric Australians did not hunt for gold or do any significant metal work of any kind. They were experts at finding water, but even modern aboriginies don't use dowsing rods to find water. Why would the prehistoric tribes use them? Are there really any dowsing rods or yagi antennas in the cave paintings, or are they simply tribal clothing and ornaments they used along with their hunting tools?

I may "reprogram my beliefs" about this after I read from archaelolgists that they used dowsing tools.

[mosha]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

It's very easy to find ancient evidences for dowsing, and very easy to misinterpret that evidence. Here is an 8000-year-old North African cave painting:



Would anyone doubt that this fellow is dowsing?

In this picture it is clear that the African man holding arrow in hand and in the other is bow.

where is dowsing here!!

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by mosha

In this picture it is clear that the African man holding arrow in hand and in the other is bow.

where is dowsing here!!

They dowsing animals at long distance using the bow and arrow...

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Morgan

They dowsing animals at long distance using the bow and arrow...

I think it worked. They ate antelope for dinner and made a painting the next day to prove it.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I think it worked. They ate antelope for dinner and made a painting the next day to prove it.

Best wishes,
J_P

And the guy with his LPDA antenna, 25.643 years in advance over his time, was rejected by his clan and had to eat roots...