Is bee smarter than human?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by ivconic

Correct.
Bustard politicians (ministers, government) are seaching each day for new methods to take taxes. One day we will have to pay taxes on air.
If we are such sheep than we deserve even worse destiny.
I've been in local wars for decade. I had enough. Especially knowing the fact that all those wars were for nothing and brought no improvements at all. Neither to one of the sides.
I asking myself how to solve this present misery than? Wars again? I don't think so.
I think best way to overcome this misery is to gather majority of people and to start various peacefull but drastic actions.
For example we can gather and negotiate to start synchronized actions at the same time and in massive response. We all can simply refuse to pay taxes.
I am wandering what they gonna do than? Nothing!
I also mentioned few other examples at the begining of this thread.
We all can stop to buy some products from the list. We can make list of all products made and offered by main "enemies" and simply we can stop buying those. Instead of those we can buy and use alternative products made by other, small and independant manufacturers.
We can stop using some of "their" services also.
We can enlarge and spread out boycott on many other fields.
In month or two that sick system will crash for sure.
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Or....we can start wars. But to fight against who? To fight against domestic army, police..? Than they gonna claim that we are terorists. If we act in a small groups than it is sure they gonna say that we are terorists. So we must act in huge groups as global movement and we must act synchronized.
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I am not for war and fight. I am for peacefull but global actions.

No war I want. I said that politicians send you in the front and they live and rich with your taxes. If law is equal for alls –this is the most important aspect of democracy, I think–, then, the politicians must go in front as the simple citizens wich died in wars created by the politicians. So, law is not equal for alls.

[ivconic]

Better nobody go to war! No wars anymore! War is worst thing that people can do. I am totaly against any kind of a war!

I undesrtood you Esteban. I already judged you as descent man (except LRL things !!!) and i know that we are sharing same attitude upon many things.
Cheers!

[ivconic]

Capitalistic "humanism" can also be seen through this example:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16267

First it was horrible war campaign to that poor country. Innocent civilians were victims mostly. "Collateral damage"...as "they" also explained 1500 killed civillians in Serbia, during NATO air raids and 78 days of agression, in 1999.

Back to Iraq;
Than bogus bomb detectors also sold to those poor people, by very hot prices! Killing continues!
Porsche Cayenne on one side and dead people arround on another.....poetry! Isn't it!

[ivconic]

Let nobody tells me now that LRL charlatan was alone, selling bogus bomb detectors!!
Neither a tiny fly can not cross to Iraq without "their" permission and full control.
It's all about money. Over the dead bodies if needed.

[ivconic]

Earthquakes in Haiti.
Horrible!
I am shocked!
It is fresh and "touchy" to talk about that.
In huge respect to victims i will not assume nothing here.
I will only say that those earthquakes are result from many years of nuclear undergound experimenting.
I am just wandering; we had chance to use most advanced geoseismic technology to predict such disaster, right?
Why didn't we?
Who are those "destiny creators" which decide who will live and who will die?
Future will give us many answers.

[ivconic]

I strongly recommend this movie to watch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_Can_Fly

[ivconic]

The American government -- which we once called our government -- has been taken over by Wall Street, the mega-corporations and the super-rich. They are the ones who decide our fate. It is this group of powerful elites, the people President Franklin D. Roosevelt called "economic royalists," who choose our elected officials -- indeed, our very form of government. Both Democrats and Republicans dance to the tune of their corporate masters. In America, corporations do not control the government. In America, corporations are the government.

This was never more obvious than with the Wall Street bailout, whereby the very corporations that caused the collapse of our economy were rewarded with taxpayer dollars. So arrogant, so smug were they that, without a moment's hesitation, they took our money -- yours and mine -- to pay their executives multimillion-dollar bonuses, something they continue doing to this very day. They have no shame. They don't care what you and I think about them. Henry Kissinger refers to us as "useless eaters."

But, you say, we have elected a candidate of change. To which I respond: Do these words of President Obama sound like change?

"A culture of irresponsibility took root, from Wall Street to Washington to Main Street."
There it is. Right there. We are Main Street. We must, according to our president, share the blame. He went on to say: "And a regulatory regime basically crafted in the wake of a 20th-century economic crisis -- the Great Depression -- was overwhelmed by the speed, scope and sophistication of a 21st-century global economy."

This is nonsense.

The reason Wall Street was able to game the system the way it did -- knowing that they would become rich at the expense of the American people (oh, yes, they most certainly knew that) -- was because the financial elite had bribed our legislators to roll back the protections enacted after the Stock Market Crash of 1929.

Congress gutted the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial lending banks from investment banks, and passed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which allowed for self-regulation with no oversight. The Securities and Exchange Commission subsequently revised its rules to allow for even less oversight -- and we've all seen how well that worked out. To date, no serious legislation has been offered by the Obama administration to correct these problems.

Instead, Obama wants to increase the oversight power of the Federal Reserve. Never mind that it already had significant oversight power before our most recent economic meltdown, yet failed to take action. Never mind that the Fed is not a government agency but a cartel of private bankers that cannot be held accountable by Washington. Whatever the Fed does with these supposed new oversight powers will be behind closed doors.

Obama's failure to act sends one message loud and clear: He cannot stand up to the powerful Wall Street interests that supplied the bulk of his campaign money for the 2008 election. Nor, for that matter, can Congress, for much the same reason.

Consider what multibillionaire banker David Rockefeller wrote in his 2002 memoirs:
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Read Rockefeller's words again. He actually admits to working against the "best interests of the United States."



Need more? Here's what Rockefeller said in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." They're gaming us. Our country has been stolen from us.

Journalist Matt Taibbi, writing in Rolling Stone, notes that esteemed economist John Kenneth Galbraith laid the 1929 crash at the feet of banking giant Goldman Sachs. Taibbi goes on to say that Goldman Sachs has been behind every other economic downturn as well, including the most recent one. As if that wasn't enough, Goldman Sachs even had a hand in pushing gas prices up to $4 a gallon.

The problem with bankers is longstanding. Here's what one of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, had to say about them:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, and then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their father's conquered."

We all know that the first American Revolution officially began in 1776, with the Declaration of Independence. Less well known is that the single strongest motivating factor for revolution was the colonists' attempt to free themselves from the Bank of England. But how many of you know about the second revolution, referred to by historians as Shays' Rebellion? It took place in 1786-87, and once again the banks were the cause. This time they were putting the screws to America's farmers.

Daniel Shays was a farmer in western Massachusetts. Like many other farmers of the day, he was being driven into bankruptcy by the banks' predatory lending practices. (Sound familiar?) Rallying other farmers to his side, Shays led his rebels in an attack on the courts and the local armory. The rebellion itself failed, but a message had been sent: The bankers (and the politicians who supported them) ultimately backed off. As Thomas Jefferson famously quipped in regard to the insurrection: "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Perhaps it's time to consider that option once again.

I'm calling for a national strike, one designed to close the country down for a day. The intent? Real campaign-finance reform and strong restrictions on lobbying. Because nothing will change until we take corporate money out of politics. Nothing will improve until our politicians are once again answerable to their constituents, not the rich and powerful.

Let's set a date. No one goes to work. No one buys anything. And if that isn't effective -- if the politicians ignore us -- we do it again. And again. And again.

The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself. It's time we took back our government from those who would make us their slaves.


Larry Flynt
Publisher of Hustler magazine and free speech advocate

[ivconic]

I don't beleive what i retreived randomly browsing the internet!

This Flynt guy is actually saying exactly what i told you before, here on this thread!?!?

Now i know i am not alone! Good to meet people with exactly the same opinions and ideas!

Bravo Larry!

P.S.
I just watched (again for the 5th time) movie about this guy. After the movie finished i wanted to search internet for details about this man and first thing i retreived was text from previous post!? What a coincidence!??? I simply do not beleive!

[ivconic]

"...If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself. ..."

Again big truth!
My theory about "big numers" closely dependable on "small numbers".
To crash the system; we don't need to do nothing "big". Nothing fatal.
We need to do one, small and simple thing. But we must do that all togather, synchronized at the same time - that's the point. Flynt understand this very well. It is in his words.
"Mexican flue" vaccine is very good example! Look now how "they" are shaked! Majority never accepted their "truth" about pandemia!
I am only affraid of chance that they now can release some more dangerous virus to teach us a lesson!
So something must be done fast.

[Esteban]

I remember how the theme of avian flu occupied all spaces in the press. But the diarrhea does not have (or had) the press as the flu. Diarrhea kills 5,000 children every day in the world, excluding adults. But diarrhea is not important news, because it is disease of the poor.

[grungymike]

I've been off line for a few months, taking care of personal business, so I missed the start of this thread. I hope it hasn't died of neglect, here's my few cents worth...

1) Any successful society works on a mix of capitalism and socialism. Neither philosophy in it's purest form is healthy, there must be a mix of perspectives to address all aspects of social well being.

2) The problems usually arise not from flaws within a given social system, but from the influence of control freaks who try to use the "system" for personal advantage, instead of gaining wealth and status by actually contributing to society. Best example I can think of is the catastrophic effects an unregulated Wall Street has had on the U.S. economy. To quote a radio talk show host I like listening to, "capitalism doesn't need regulating, but the capitalists sure as hell do".

3) Taxes are a necessary component of any technically advanced society. As long as they are used effectively, there isn't a problem, but this requires the population to ride herd on the government. A complacent population is a herd of "sheeple" begging to get fleeced.

4) Ideally a government exists to maintain the physical infrastructure deemed necessary for the peaceful pursuit of "life, liberty, and happiness". The reality is that all government structures will start to prey on the society being governed, unless held strictly in check by an alert and aggressive population.

5) As for excessive taxation, the answer is to participate in the local "black market". when practical. All nations have one, and the smarter governments leave it alone.

6) In my opinion, the biggest threat to freedom and well being worldwide is the rise of corporate globalism. This crowd is the source of the "one world government" concept. And I'm ashamed to say that it is my country that has created this monster. Study up on the activities of the Monsanto corporation sometime, but be ready to be sickened, horrified, and angered to the point of violence.

7) The most powerful tool the human race has to maintain freedom is the Internet. I can't think of a single government structure (including the one I live under) that isn't terrified by the prospect of people freely and peacefully exchanging ideas and information. I find it ironic that the "net" started life as a U.S. Dept. of Defense intranet of university computers, used for weapons design. If they'd had any idea what they had really created, I bet they would have shot the engineers and burned the buildings. Thankfully, the desire for more effective ways to control people clouded their vision.

The sad fact is that freedom is nourished by the blood of free men and women. That is the price we pay...
To quote the Moody Blues- "and keep on thinking free".

gm

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