$60,000 Dowsing Rod to Iraq as Explosives Detector

[Theseus]

Warning!!!! One of the pictures you will be exposed to is rather disturbing. (But nothing you wouldn't see on the 10PM News)

http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/200...ves-detectors/

I read this and found it extremely hard to believe. But it is TRUE! It is also very sad, but true.

"This is not just fraud, its culpable involvement in negligent homicide..."

"That’s what junk science does. Its not simply a bit of harmless new age hippy nonsense, as some suppose, it kills people and it does so unnecessarily and without any thought for the consequences.

This is one junk science fraud where action needs to be taken, and taken now before any more people die as a result of British companies selling dowsing rods as so-called explosives detectors."

[Infamy]

LRL needs closing down, end of storty.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Warning!!!! One of the pictures you will be exposed to is rather disturbing. (But nothing you wouldn't see on the 10PM News)

http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/200...ves-detectors/

I read this and found it extremely hard to believe. But it is TRUE! It is also very sad, but true.

"This is not just fraud, its culpable involvement in negligent homicide..."

"That’s what junk science does. Its not simply a bit of harmless new age hippy nonsense, as some suppose, it kills people and it does so unnecessarily and without any thought for the consequences.

This is one junk science fraud where action needs to be taken, and taken now before any more people die as a result of British companies selling dowsing rods as so-called explosives detectors."

Very interesting ... and frightening.

Dowsing, ouija boards, table tipping, etc., can be harmless fun if performed in the right context, but knowingly selling fraudulent devices for explosive detection is a serious crime.

[Berti]

that's why there are so many soldiers killed

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by Berti

that's why there are so many soldiers killed

It is my understanding that the Iraqi forces bought these things, and are trying to use them; with severe consequences. But the American General in charge of the US troops have warned them that what they are doing is pure foolishness, and will only result in more deaths.

It is really too bad this British company is taking advantage of the Iraqis like this, and apparently they are getting away with it. A small group of individuals are getting rich over this scam, while others are being killed and injured.

It's one thing to make these things in your garage, or basement, and take money from the Mike's and the Art's of this world; but it is quite another thing to sell them to people who are at risk of losing their lives while using these worthless contraptions.

[WM6]

Originally Posted by Theseus

A small group of individuals are getting rich over this scam, while others are being killed and injured.

It's one thing to make these things in your garage, or basement, and take money from the Mike's and the Art's of this world; but it is quite another thing to sell them to people who are at risk of losing their lives while using these worthless contraptions.

Maybe difference is not so much.

If Mike sell his last property to buy mineoro crappy box, to find Big Treasure and entry big Richiness, he is dead man, no matter still allive.

[Infamy]

Originally Posted by Theseus

It is really too bad this British company is taking advantage of the Iraqis like this, and apparently they are getting away with it.

Sniffex Made in the USA

Here is a suggestion.

Stage 1 write to the distributors of LRLs, those that also sell metal detectors and ask them to stop selling these devices. Give them a couple of weeks to reply then forward details of all current supplies of LRLs to all the detecting forums through out the world encourage people to boycott these companies. Impacting the bottom line soon changes thinking.

Stage 2 go public in newspapers radio television and put the manufactures out of business.

[Theseus]

Here is a related site you might find interesting, concerning this same scam.

http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/

[jojo]

biggest scam that even cause human life

[Fred]

Both sellers and buyers are guilty.Spending such outrageous amounts of public money for device that have never been proven to work is a crime.
I don´t have any illusion about the issues of eventual criminal pursuits:A few hundred thousands dollars, some hookers or a new car in someone pocket will resolve the problem.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

Both sellers and buyers are guilty.Spending such outrageous amounts of public money for device that have never been proven to work is a crime.
I don´t have any illusion about the issues of eventual criminal pursuits:A few hundred thousands dollars, some hookers or a new car in someone pocket will resolve the problem.

Somehow, I think the sellers and the officials who did the buying were not the same people who were given these bomb detectors to use in the field. The officials who bought them can get rich too.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Diohuni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxArx...layer_embedded

[kt315]

[Qiaozhi]

Hi KT315,

I do not know where you've got the idea that Ivconic is an LRL scammer.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Like many other members here, he has investigated whether LRLs really work or not, and concluded that they do not work. He is a skeptic not an LRL proponent. Perhaps you think that Carl is an LRL proponent because he has so many in his collection?

We all know who are the LRL believers here on Geotech ... and Ivconic is not one of them.

[kt315]

hi Qiaozhi,

why people ask me to give 'superior ionic type one'? is my name ivconic? or I am supporting Remote sensing? all people have to clearly be aware - here is NOT a place for frauds. believe me now - without the scam the forum will NOT die.

hi dear
I saw many of your posts in this forum.And I am convinced that your knowledge in the field of high metal detector.I need a powerful detector could thereby metal ions emitted from the remote tracking tips do please help me and give me a schematic to trace these ion.
Regards

[ivconic]

...

[kt315]

thanks for my appraisal to catch your fingers in a door.
you gota be Number #1 LRL scammer in Geotech history, my friend.
the sceptic LRL gold ionic modulation scammer is your name. Qiaozhi noticed right.
glory to people they speedy did find out the truth about you activity. honest folks from USA and the world have to remember who you are.
write me more about how ty dolgo duril chestnym liudiam golovy svoimi beztolkovymi durilkami i elektronnymi pustyshkami. ditia blin maloe... ne naigralsia eschio v etu svoiu huietu?

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by kt315

you gota be Number #1 LRL scammer in Geotech history, my friend.
the sceptic LRL gold ionic modulation scammer is your name. Qiaozhi noticed right.

Please explain why you think Ivconic is an LRL scammer.
Nobody here seems to agree with you, so you must have a good reason for your conclusions.

[kt315]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Please explain why you think Ivconic is an LRL scammer.
Nobody here seems to agree with you, so you must have a good reason for your conclusions.

then who is the core of attraction of LRL scam?
can you give me a post related LRL at these sites?
http://members5.boardhost.com/DetectorDeals/
http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html
http://thunting.com/smf/modification...epairs-b176.0/

if you see an injuriousness in the world you drop 500 LBS JDAM at their heads. is it nice? nobody here seems to agree with you but you drop the bomb without my conclusions. so what are my conclusions for you?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=28f_1297870022

lol, absolutely awesome!! that's all I can say you, my friend.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by kt315

then who is the core of attraction of LRL scam?
can you give me a post related LRL at these sites?
http://members5.boardhost.com/DetectorDeals/
http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html
http://thunting.com/smf/modification...epairs-b176.0/

if you see an injuriousness in the world you drop 500 LBS JDAM at their heads. is it nice? nobody here seems to agree with you but you drop the bomb without my conclusions. so what are my conclusions for you?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=28f_1297870022

lol, absolutely awesome!! that's all I can say you, my friend.

Who is the core of attraction of the LRL forum?
I think it is kt315!
Yes, we need something to laugh at from time to time.
When a person fails to convince others of a doubtful proposition, yet continue on with their poorly though out logic, it can have a funny appearance.
But to be fair, let's give a serious answer to your pointless accusations:

1. ___________
You claim Ivconic is the 4th LRL scammer.
In fact Ivconic has not been posting in this forum for the past year or so. If you look at the number of posts in the remote sensing forum, you will see you made more posts than Ivconic did in the past year. And you will also see the fewer posts that Ivconic made do not promote LRLs. Does this make you the new #4 LRL scammer?
I don't think so. Just like it did not make Ivconic an LRL scammer.

But then let's look at the posts made by Ivconic... most of his posts were not made in the Remote Sensing forum. They were made in the Tech forum or other Geotech forums such as coils and TGS. Only a few of his posts were ever made in the Remote Sensing forum. If we take his 3387 posts and deduct the posts that were made in other Geotech forums, there would not be enough posts remaining to even get him a rating in the Remote Sensing forum. Sure he made a lot of posts when he was building VLF metal detectors, but only an idiot would conclude this proves he is a promoter of LRLs.

2.___________
Speaking of idiot logic..... what about the other members who show a lot of posts... Is Max the #1 LRL scam promoter because he made the most posts?
Or is it possible most of his posts were made in tech forum and metal detecting forums, not the remote sensing forum?

While you think about the answer to that question, why not take a look at the posts Max made in the remote sensing forum.... do you suppose you will find posts where he asks people to buy more LRLS?
Or do you think you will find posts that condemn LRLs as non-working BS circuits? You realize of course, Max has not posted in the Remote sensing forum for several years.

Oops... did I prove your conclusions are wrong?
Ohhh Nooooooo....!


2A.___________
Let's look for another member to accuse of promoting LRLs, and maybe pin the blame on for bombing in distant countries too.... how about Qiaozhi?
Can he be the #2 LRL scam promoter because he made the second most posts?
Well let's take a look at where Qiaozhi posts....
It seems to me he posts all over Geotech... and Remote Sensing is only a small part of where he posts. So what does he post in Remote sensing?
I keep reading how he considers dowsing to be a "trick of the mind" and I read how he calls LRL stories fairy tales....
This sure doesn't sound like an LRL scam promoter to me...
I guess this example also proves your conclusions are wrong.

2B.___________
If we go down the list of members you posted, we will see that the only promoter of LRLs is Esteban, who does not advise people to buy any LRLs. He only talks about experimental circuits he built and things he found with his circuits. But then Esteban has not posted here this year.


2C.___________
While we're on our witch hunt to find someone to accuse of promoting LRLs, we can't help to notice Carl-NC is #8 on the list of most posts. But wait... He is owner of the forum, and the only person who has the power to banish the Remote Sensing forum. Does this prove he is also a promoter of LRL scams?
I wonder if most of his posts are in Remote Sensing, or if they are other places like some of the others I mentioned?
I wonder what he has to say about LRL scams... do you think he promotes them?

Hmmmm.... When you check out the evidence for what they post and where they post, it looks like the evidence does not prove that Ivconic or any of the other top rated posting members is an LRL scam promoter as you claimed.



3.___________
But the main idiotic lapse of logic is to depict people who make a lot of posts in Geotech forums with promoters of LRL scams and as people who cause bombings in distant countries. This is especially true when you make a statement that nobody here seems to agree with Qiaozhi.... "nobody here seems to agree with you but you drop the bomb without my conclusions...."

It seems you already had your chance to prove that metal detectorists and experimenters were responsible for foriegn wars and for promoting LRL scams. And we learned that almost nobody agreed with you in an open vote. We see both LRL enthusiasts and LRL non-believers voted that they want the Remote Sensing forum to continue as it is. The vote was 4 to 1 against making any changes to the remote sensing forum.
It appears that most people agreed with Qiaozhi.
The evidence does not show that nobody agrees with him, as you stated.

So what does it all mean?
You lost at your attempt to banish the Geotech Remote Sensing forum, so you return now and make idiotic accusations against someone who no longer posts here.
Read the response that you received after your first attempt to banish the Remote Sensing forum... http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16742
And then you make another idiotic accusation that is obviously wrong against Qiaozhi.
And you want people to believe that an absentee forum member who argues against LRLs is responsible for LRL scams?

I think Ivconic was right... "complete idiot".

Best wishes,
J_P

[Rudy]

[Geo]

Although my relationship with Ivconic is not the best, I can assure that he has no connection with the lrl scammers, on the contrary.

Regards

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by kt315

then who is the core of attraction of LRL scam?
can you give me a post related LRL at these sites?
http://members5.boardhost.com/DetectorDeals/
http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html
http://thunting.com/smf/modification...epairs-b176.0/

Hi KT315,

I do not know why you have a personal vendetta against Ivconic, but nothing in your reply points to him being an LRL scammer.
If we look at the sites you have listed:

http://members5.boardhost.com/DetectorDeals/
This site is dedicated to discussing metal detectors manufactured by Discovery Electronics Inc. Therefore it is highly unlikely to contain any reference to LRLs. This is like comparing apples to oranges.

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html
On this site there are discussions about LRLs. See here, for instance -> http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalD...297832681.html

http://thunting.com/smf/modification...epairs-b176.0/
And the same for this site, which has an active forum on LRLs here -> http://www.thunting.com/smf/black_bo...ologies-b21.0/
and another on dowsing here -> http://www.thunting.com/smf/dowsing-b20.0/

Also, none of these site have any link to Ivconic.

Please try to follow Geo's example, and forgive and forget.

[kt315]

http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalDetecting/index.html
On this site there are discussions about LRLs. See here, for instance -> http://members5.boardhost.com/MetalD...297832681.html

thanks for your work. by your favour I take these comments from your link.

Bjorn - Not very different from NOKTA. Same sh!t different name. Buy a regular detector instead and avoid the dealers that even have these on their pages too. Only way to fight these manufacturers.

Tom_in_CA, in cool sarcasm manner, - Wow, it says it can tell the different types of metal apart, (gold, silver, etc...). Thus I can effortlessly go to blighted junky urban parks, and pass tabs and foil all day long, and *only* dig the gold rings that all you poor loosers have been passing up all these years. Wow, this is going to be great! I've been waiting for the machine that could finally tell aluminum from gold, and now it's here!

John=Edmonton, in hard sarcasm manner, -They Are The Leaders In The LRL Industry

[Diohuni]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/0...71G3H120110217