REAL LRL ???!!!

[vistac2000]

Hi to all friends,

I see and read some LRL posts in this site ...
but I have one question...!!!
Is LRL really works?

If YES please put a good working circuit of LRL ...

Thanks...
best regrads.... vistac2000

[Geo]

Originally Posted by vistac2000

Hi to all friends,

I see and read some LRL posts in this site ...
but I have one question...!!!
Is LRL really works?

If YES please put a good working circuit of LRL ...

Thanks...
best regrads.... vistac2000

Hi.
It is not so easy to find a good and practical schematic
Regards

[detectoman]

the lrl are top secret, due to sceptics and chinesse and other comercalizacion, any like to show public you key for put out the gold
you should read inside lines of the treads
but whit your effort can you understand the basic principes
any body true lrlst look to show easy public the product of these own efforce
in the group exist all necesary for the mind dilligent to introduce in this increible field
all came of results of the personal iniciatives, experiments tryes, only bsbs jjaja
find in the lot of tips of group the begin of your dream
is not difficult
best whises

[detectoman]

begin for the simple personal experimentation ionic, zahory or bfio., hibrid, etc lrl work!
little range ( on superficie ) medium range @ 10 mts long range 200 mts

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by detectoman

the lrl are top secret.....

Yes, the LRL are top secret, and for nearly the same reasons as the Philadelphia Experiment is top secret.

What went on during the Philadelphia Experiment must never fall into the hands of the common people. The same is true for revealing the inner workings of actual LRL instruments. Imagine if these top secret LRL schematics were ever to fall into the knowledge base of the common people. Just imagine....

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by vistac2000

I see and read some LRL posts in this site ...
but I have one question...!!!
Is LRL really works?

If YES please put a good working circuit of LRL

Hi vistac2000,
I have never seen an LRL work, and I do not believe they work. But some people believe they work.
You can read here for a circuit to build an LRL that some people say works:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...ghlight=zahori

Best wishes,
J_P

[zenit52]

Hi friends,
Did someone build a LRL and test it ?
Did LRL realy work???
please share your results...

with best regards... zenit52

[Fred]

Originally Posted by zenit52

Hi friends,

Hi,

Originally Posted by zenit52

Did someone build a LRL and test it ?

Yes i did , the Pistol detector

Originally Posted by zenit52

Did LRL realy work???

No

Originally Posted by zenit52

with best regards... zenit52

Regards

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Hi,

Yes i did , the Pistol detector

No

Regards

Deppend...

[aft_72005]

Originally Posted by zenit52

Hi friends,
Did someone build a LRL and test it ?
Did LRL realy work???
please share your results...

with best regards... zenit52

Hi zenit52
Welcome to LRL world .......................................

Best regards.

[michael]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi vistac2000,
I have never seen an LRL work, and I do not believe they work. But some people believe they work.
You can read here for a circuit to build an LRL that some people say works:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...ghlight=zahori
Best wishes,
J_P

Hi.
Who has said that Zahori works for treasure finding?
It never can. I tested it and got nothing. It detects electrical lines, power lines as the best. you can even find hidden cables in wall and track it.
even can recognize if in a dark room is any electrical appliance in standby.
it especially detects high voltage lines even from 100 meters.
but about PD; it works for treasure finding, it really works.
I personally experienced this.
when you have not made complete tests at different conditions how can run decisive statements against that????
I can work with LRLs, but each one has it's advantages and disadvantages.
now the best usability of L- rods for me is to determine depth of target reliably but after finding treasure point with my MDL.
as MDL detection is most reliable and quick.
MDL is the best device for either LRLing or pinpointing, but its' disadvantages are: 1- big dimension of 2x2 m loop
and 2- it hits big targets at great depths as if are on surface.
anyway LRLs work but not as being advertised or we expect of a conventional detector. they are relative.
good luck.

[aft_72005]

Hi Michael
Zahori is electrostatic filed detector. As you said also it can detect electrical filed .
Buried metals at very longtime also produced static field. But it is strange ,why
It cannot detect static field from very longtime Buried metals?
Best regards.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Deppend...

on what ?

The problem is... there will be always some "detail" claimed to be essential and top-secret that homebrewers here, including me, will not implement (cause will remain top-secret and known just to you, hung, alonso, morgan, homer simpson, jessica rabbit, paris hilton etc ) and you'll say that "depends" cause that detail is mandatory in the lrl-hollywoodland!

I made some stuff also... made zahori and no success. Made PD and no success too. Both were failures but, sure, I didn't implement any top-secret detail!

So IT'S MY FAULT!

Not that devices don't work a crap....

But, I know... now Morgan will ask me again about my PD implementation .... oh God! Where to find it now ??? I don't remember... maybe in some plastic bag I put somewhere...

Kind regards,
Max

[Max]

Originally Posted by Geo

Hi.
It is not so easy to find a good and practical schematic
Regards

Uhm... ok... but it's not easy cause nobody wanna post it... or just cause it's impossible make any LRL thing that works ?

Good practical schematic is what we need to demonstrate that LRL principles (whatever they are) are not just pure speculation: till now I never see anything similar here... no one single post about a working LRL, easy enough and complete to make some stupid test like detect a coin at a meter distance.... not just one!

SO... considering that here we have a huge number of working schematics of real devices, mds etc... and this is 1st place in the world for such kind of things... I don't understand why we don't have any "easy" testable schematic to work on...

I think it's a trick of mind... it beeps and you think it detected the target.... then you already are in a place RICH of good stuff (and you surely are when testing that things... dear Geo) and so you'll think it's the lrl/pistol or whatever that signals you the place where to dig... you recover something GOOD and think it works for real...

but I think are just coincidences... cause if I go in a RICH place and dig an hole I'll sure find something good... silver, copper, bronze or even gold stuff... no need of a beep beep to do that.

What I said is probably your case, cause I dubt you checked first your soil with conventional MDs (cause lrl fanatics told you don't cause that will "destroy" lrl signal!)

Kind regards,
Max

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by aft_72005

Hi Michael
Zahori is electrostatic filed detector. As you said also it can detect electrical filed .
Buried metals at very longtime also produced static field. But it is strange ,why
It cannot detect static field from very longtime Buried metals?
Best regards.

All good facts. There is much to be learned from such simple and concise statements.

Electrostatic detectors work just fine at detecting "real" electrostatic fields. Therefore, it should be no mystery why none of these electrostatic detectors indicate the location of long time buried metals. The correct answer is; there are NO static or electrostatic fields produced by long time buried metals.

There is no mystery, you've solved your own conundrum, accept the answer and move on.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Deppend...

Exactly as Max said,
depends of the secret ingredient or tuning involved...i know.
WE reverse-enginnered morgan´s pd, but still there is a secret component we are not aware of...

I am not telling nothing works or there is no effect due to long time buried metal, just that it didn´t work with me.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Michael

Who has said that Zahori works for treasure finding?
It never can. I tested it and got nothing. It detects electrical lines, power lines as the best. you can even find hidden cables in wall and track it.
even can recognize if in a dark room is any electrical appliance in standby.
it especially detects high voltage lines even from 100 meters.

Hi Michael.
Esteban said the Zahori works for finding treasure:

Originally Posted by Esteban

If there are a treasure or a good conductive metal buried for long time, then sure you'll find it.

Originally Posted by Michael

when you have not made complete tests at different conditions how can run decisive statements against that????

The statement I made is "I do not believe they work"
I can make that decisive statement because I am absolutely sure of what I do not believe. Nobody else is decisively sure of what I believe, only me. I have not said that they don't work, only that I don't believe they work. And I am decisively sure that I don't believe the Zahori will find treasure.

I read where Esteban says "If there are a treasure or a good conductive metal buried for long time, then sure you'll find it". But I also read where most other people say the Zahori will find only electric fields from static and power lines, not treasure. Whether to believe the writing of Esteban or other people who post in the forum is the choice of the reader. Therefore I am free to believe as I wish, regardless of what the reality is for the Zahori.

It is quite possible that the Zahori does find treasure, and that I don't believe it because I have never seen it working in front of me live, where I could recover treasure with it. It is also possible that the Zahori works for Estaban, regardless of the posts that others made saying it does not find treasure. Until I see it recover treasure, I will continue to not believe it can find treasure. But keep in mind, I am only saying this is something I do not believe. I am not saying it cannot find treasure.

Best wishes,
J_P

[michael]

Originally Posted by aft_72005

Hi Michael
Zahori is electrostatic filed detector. As you said also it can detect electrical filed .
Buried metals at very longtime also produced static field. But it is strange ,why
It cannot detect static field from very longtime Buried metals?
Best regards.

Hi Aft,
you tell it's electrostatic field detector. or maybe other guy has told this.
I'm not its' designer or commentator. what it is in real is what it do, yes??
what we experience with that can be regarded as a document not what we theoretically hear. OK?
It's not a play with words.
what I experienced with Zahori: detects electrical field of all electrical appliances, wires power lines, but never detects battery sparks, car working engine/ spark-plugs or when ignite the car.
FG80 was reverse could detects all of car activities, battery sparks, but had no reaction to electrical components except to TV.
I remember well, when I approached zahorin to a refrigerator had very clear signal , but FG80 was silent. or in reverse at one night in cloudy sky which had sky flashing in some kilometers away(could be 60-100 kilometers), FG80 had clear reflect but zahori was silent. FG80 had beep for each sky flash. and beep time would exactly last proportion to flash time.
PD is somehow similar to FG80, of course more sensitive to battery sparks, but less sensitive to TV. without any reaction to other electrical appliances or lines.
now you gather these an make a decisive conclusion.
about long time buried target I don't know what's the real quiddity and never run any personal equation, but what
I experienced on treasure locations demonstrates it's something like battery sparks(electrostatic or anything else)
what Esteban has been saying since beginnings in this forum, he always likened treasure to ground battery; what a good calling.

Originally Posted by Theseus

All good facts. There is much to be learned from such simple and concise statements.

Electrostatic detectors work just fine at detecting "real" electrostatic fields. Therefore, it should be no mystery why none of these electrostatic detectors indicate the location of long time buried metals. The correct answer is; there are NO static or electrostatic fields produced by long time buried metals.
There is no mystery, you've solved your own conundrum, accept the answer and move

above answers concerns to this also. not bad take a look here :
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15242
I reflected about my experiences with my PD, of course if you are not in doom and gloom.

Originally Posted by J-Player

Esteban said the Zahori works for finding treasure

Hi J-Player.
If so, I should tell; with all respects to Esteban which I always observe, in this part I really oppose to him as I personally got no signal near, or above real treasure locations that are very big and thousands year old.
but PD works and works much better than mineoro devices like FG80.

Originally Posted by J-Player

I read where Esteban says "If there are a treasure or a good conductive metal buried for long time, then sure you'll find it".

maybe his purpose is for superficial buried targets, about deep targets which I have here remains silent. I'm sure.

[Esteban]

Is very simple: first, detect a good target (better if big and old for to note difference). Connect a simple needle microamp over the site of the target and see. Put the same microamp in surrounding place free of metal and compare. Occurs that, the more of time, persons only dig the targets and don't study other phenomenon.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Is very simple: first, detect a good target (better if big and old for to note difference). Connect a simple needle microamp over the site of the target and see. Put the same microamp in surrounding place free of metal and compare. Occurs that, the more of time, persons only dig the targets and don't study other phenomenon.

Hi Esteban,
This is not the simple answer that Michael requested. Michael has implied that only a personal experience of testing the Zahori in all kinds of conditions is a good test. He says it is not good to use theories to prove that the Zahori works, only actual testing experience to see if it is finding treasure. According to Michael, he has made these actual tests with the Zahori, and he has seen that the Zahori does not find long-time buried large treasures.

You are the only person who I see in the Zahori thread who said the Zahori will find long-time buried treasure. Everyone else who tested the Zahori said their tests showed it will not find treasure. According to Michael, if you test with a Zahori, you wlill not find a large long-time buried treasure.

Your test with a microammeter is not a test with a Zahori.
Have you made this test with a Zahori, and you saw your Zahori locating a long-time buried metal target?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by michael

Hi.
Who has said that Zahori works for treasure finding?
It never can. I tested it and got nothing. It detects electrical lines, power lines as the best. you can even find hidden cables in wall and track it.
even can recognize if in a dark room is any electrical appliance in standby.
it especially detects high voltage lines even from 100 meters.
but about PD; it works for treasure finding, it really works.
I personally experienced this.
when you have not made complete tests at different conditions how can run decisive statements against that????
I can work with LRLs, but each one has it's advantages and disadvantages.
now the best usability of L- rods for me is to determine depth of target reliably but after finding treasure point with my MDL.
as MDL detection is most reliable and quick.
MDL is the best device for either LRLing or pinpointing, but its' disadvantages are: 1- big dimension of 2x2 m loop
and 2- it hits big targets at great depths as if are on surface.
anyway LRLs work but not as being advertised or we expect of a conventional detector. they are relative.
good luck.

Hi Michael

Thanks to your words in this forum about Pistoldetektor as a true LRL,this acts like a sword in the heads of the people who call me a lier.
Better improvments for more distance and selectivity to GOLD,will be send to you very soon.

Regards

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Esteban,
This is not the simple answer that Michael requested. Michael has implied that only a personal experience of testing the Zahori in all kinds of conditions is a good test. He says it is not good to use theories to prove that the Zahori works, only actual testing experience to see if it is finding treasure. According to Michael, he has made these actual tests with the Zahori, and he has seen that the Zahori does not find long-time buried large treasures.

You are the only person who I see in the Zahori thread who said the Zahori will find long-time buried treasure. Everyone else who tested the Zahori said their tests showed it will not find treasure. According to Michael, if you test with a Zahori, you wlill not find a large long-time buried treasure.

Your test with a microammeter is not a test with a Zahori.
Have you made this test with a Zahori, and you saw your Zahori locating a long-time buried metal target?

Best wishes,
J_P

The Zahory,exactly as IVCONIC presents here in this forum,its not possible to detect buried metals or even treasure. Its like a car without engine...
Esteban know very well wath kind of engine i´m talking about,just one more PCB together with the Antenna,et voila,all the Zahorys working as LRL. Static field around copper wires is one thing,around GOLD is another thing...The EE in this forum can answer,static is STATIC,i laugh a little...

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Esteban know very well wath kind of engine i´m talking about,just one more PCB together with the Antenna,et voila,all the Zahorys working as LRL. Static field around copper wires is one thing,around GOLD is another thing...The EE in this forum can answer,static is STATIC,i laugh a little...

Hi Morgan,
You mean Max and Fred were right?
The Zahori does not work unless another secret circuit is connected to it? It is an incomplete LRL design?

This would mean that I am better to believe that the Zahori that is shown in the forum does not work to find treasure. I have read reports of all people who built the Zahori say it cannot find treasure except Esteban, so I will continue to believe the people who say they tested it and found it does not find treasure, not Esteban.

The modified Zahori with secret circuits added is another story. I can say nothing about that.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Hi Morgan,
You mean Max and Fred were right?
The Zahori does not work unless another secret circuit is connected to it? It is an incomplete LRL design?

This would mean that I am better to believe that the Zahori that is shown in the forum does not work to find treasure. I have read reports of all people who built the Zahori say it cannot find treasure except Esteban, so I will continue to believe the people who say they tested it and found it does not find treasure, not Esteban.

The modified Zahori with secret circuits added is another story. I can say nothing about that.

Best wishes,
J_P

The Zahori presented in this forum,canot found any treasure.
I´m not EE to say that,buy i know,and Esteban know better. To work,it needs a few more extras.

[michael]

Originally Posted by Morgan

The Zahori presented in this forum,canot found any treasure.
I´m not EE to say that,buy i know,and Esteban know better. To work,it needs a few more extras.

Hi Morgan.
If so, what a pity for so much time we dedicated for Zahori.
I made it with love as made PD so.
This is very annoying. what an unfairly manner and grievous. this offended my mind/hear deeply. What a despised world.