IONIZATION CHAMBERS

[Esteban]

I have this schematic.

[Esteban]

I translate the bad copy I have by this. Hope is OK. I presume the above part is a regulator. Here the clear:

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I have this schematic.

Hi,
what's the purpose of a ionization chamber in remote sensing ?

These are good to reveal ionizating radiations... but I know that gold (unless there's a radioactive isothope of it around) doesn't emit such radiations.

You can look for gamma-ray and similar stuff using it, but not really for the purpose of searching long time buried gold !

So what's the point about that schematic of above ? Why you published it here ?

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

Hi,
what's the purpose of a ionization chamber in remote sensing ?

These are good to reveal ionizating radiations... but I know that gold (unless there's a radioactive isothope of it around) doesn't emit such radiations.

You can look for gamma-ray and similar stuff using it, but not really for the purpose of searching long time buried gold !

So what's the point about that schematic of above ? Why you published it here ?

Kind regards,
Max

Remember, there are persons that claims the existence of a kind of ionization around treasures. But if isn't exists, no problem, because this device can detect the field around this good conductive metals buried for long time.

[Esteban]

This can be the chamber.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Esteban

This can be the chamber.

The deodorant tube ??? NO!

You need a VERY thin wall to make radiations enter the chamber... so better is if you e.g. use a thin aluminium foil window in front side of the tube.

The rest you could made of any conductive material, but much better if the back side is shielded with lead 1mm walls. That way your chanber will be "directional" and (supposing it's useful) you could locate the source of radiations.

A good experiment is with lantern mantle (torium/radium doped) and old fluorescent tags (like old german ones...).

Kind regards,
Max

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Max

The deodorant tube ??? NO!

You need a VERY thin wall to make radiations enter the chamber... so better is if you e.g. use a thin aluminium foil window in front side of the tube.

The rest you could made of any conductive material, but much better if the back side is shielded with lead 1mm walls. That way your chanber will be "directional" and (supposing it's useful) you could locate the source of radiations.

A good experiment is with lantern mantle (torium/radium doped) and old fluorescent tags (like old german ones...).

Kind regards,
Max

Hi Max

Thanks very much! Maybe this can be approximative...

[Carl-NC]

As it's drawn, the circuit won't work... the +rail is shorted to ground. But if it did work, it would just be an electric field detector. Which could possibly detect the electric field from ions, but also any other electric field, leaving you with no way of knowing what you are detecting. And if it is due to ions, it tells you nothing about what kind of ions which, again, is rather useless.

Thin-walled chambers are used in radiation detectors, but detecting ions is not the same as detecting radiation. Remember that ions are atoms or molecules, not radiation, and can't pass through solid objects (like the Mineoro "ion chamber" ). A popular method of ion detection involves drift tubes, which must be open to allow ions to enter.

- Carl

[hung]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

Remember that ions are atoms or molecules, not radiation, and can't pass through solid objects (like the Mineoro "ion chamber" ).
- Carl

Almost in the dawn of 2009 and you still can't figure how the Mineoro's ionic chamber work.

I rest my case.

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Carl-NC

As it's drawn, the circuit won't work... the +rail is shorted to ground. But if it did work, it would just be an electric field detector. Which could possibly detect the electric field from ions, but also any other electric field, leaving you with no way of knowing what you are detecting. And if it is due to ions, it tells you nothing about what kind of ions which, again, is rather useless.

Thin-walled chambers are used in radiation detectors, but detecting ions is not the same as detecting radiation. Remember that ions are atoms or molecules, not radiation, and can't pass through solid objects (like the Mineoro "ion chamber" ). A popular method of ion detection involves drift tubes, which must be open to allow ions to enter.

- Carl

I ALSO KNOW THAT THIS WILL NOT WORK AND YES CARL IS RIGHT ON THIS ONE.

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by hung

Almost in the dawn of 2009 and you still can't figure how the Mineoro's ionic chamber work.

I rest my case.

Ok Hung I don't know BUT CAN YOU TELL ME HOW IT WORKS.
IF CARL CAN'T GET IT MAYBE I CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
I MAY BE ABLE TO SHOW CARL HOW IT WORKS.
TELL ME IN YOUR WORDS ON HOW THIS THING WORKS.

[Fred]

I think schematic should be like this:

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

I think schematic should be like this:

I think you're right. Above part must be oscillator.

[Esteban]

The same, but mos oscillator version. Copy of bad pic is the second image.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

Almost in the dawn of 2009 and you still can't figure how the Mineoro's ionic chamber work.

I rest my case.

Define what you mean by work.

[roberts]

"Work" made man from an ape - shortest definition

Just passing, dont worry. Wanted just to say HELLO to old friends here
So... HELLO!

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by roberts

"Work" made man from an ape - shortest definition

Just passing, dont worry. Wanted just to say HELLO to old friends here
So... HELLO!

Hi Roberts!

As you can see ... nothing changes.
The same old arguments are going on here.

[Fred]

Hi Robert!

I see you too have not changed

Any treasure?

Regards,
Fred.

[Dell Winders]

Hi Robert.

Originally Posted by Carl-NC
Remember that ions are atoms or molecules, not radiation, and can't pass through solid objects (like the Mineoro "ion chamber" ).
- Carl
Almost in the dawn of 2009 and you still can't figure how the Mineoro's ionic chamber work.

I rest my case.

To hung, and others chasing the Ion trail. I have tested and used most imaginable LRL's in the field, totally electronic (no Rods), and with Rods, as well as hundreds of non-electronic devices. NONE that I have used, except Mineoro, have an Ion chamber. Yet all the others I have used without an Ion chamber respond to the same fields, same locations, same depths, in an identical manner as the Mineoro, but at a fraction of the cost. Even the physics limitations are the same when compared side by side. So, why is this?

I haven't said anything in the past because my humble 6th grade education is no match for the perceived credibility of a person formally educated in Physics, and Electronics, with financial status.

I won't be responding to argument, or debate to the prejudice of this forum, but only providing my personal field experience with LRL, and suggesting to experimenters that pursuing the Ion concept may be a distraction from the actual physics being employed.

Happy Holidays to all. Dell

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

NONE that I have used, except Mineoro, have an Ion chamber. Yet all the others I have used without an Ion chamber respond to the same fields, same locations, same depths, in an identical manner as the Mineoro, but at a fraction of the cost. Even the physics limitations are the same when compared side by side.

Well - I cannot argue with that statement ... although my interpretation of the meaning is probably different.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

...Yet all the others I have used without an Ion chamber respond to the same fields,

Hi,
What fields is that?
Regards,
Fred.

[Dell Winders]

Target "fields"

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Target "fields"

Ok Deli what I want ot know is what the target Fields are.
What I want to do is detect them.
AF,rf,etc....what is it.
THAT IS THE FIRST STEP TO MAKING A DETECTOR IS TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DETECTING?

SO I AM STARTING AT THE SIGNAL FIRST.

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE LIKE CARL OR ME UNDERSTAND THIS SIGNAL OR DETECT IT.

NO ONE I KNOW CAN DETECT IT.

[Dell Winders]

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE LIKE CARL OR ME UNDERSTAND THIS SIGNAL OR DETECT IT.

Whew! That's a baited question. I certainly can't answer for you, but it's obvious that Carl, is capable of detecting at least some target fields, but can't admit it for for all the lie's he's perpetrated, and libelous damage he has caused in support of the Skeptic agenda.

NO ONE I KNOW CAN DETECT IT

According to the posts, It appears there are numbers of people who have attempted to participate honestly on this forum that have, and are detecting the emanating "fields" of metal targets by various means. "What has been done, can be done".

Here's a suggestion to get you started.
Iron concentrates a strong "field". Learn to detect the emanating "field" of Iron, then keep increasing your sensitivity until you are able to detect, and discriminate the emanating "field" of other elements.

I have a December 17 deadline to have pre-paid back orders ready for shipment, so I don't have time to continue posting.

It's your choice to do experimenting and field testing to learn on your own, but with the disrespect and attitude you have shown, don't expect anyone but Estaban's, kind generosity to hand you the years of knowledge on a Silver platter.

Happy Holidays! Dell

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Target "fields"

Well i know it´s "target fields" and not football fields , but if you say they are all same fields you should know what they are (you know, what specie) or else , how could you know they are the same kind?
Thus my question : what are they.For me it´s THE big question.
I hope i was clear enought