reply to criticism on geophysics thread

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by hung

What about Esteban's merit?
If he was gullible enough he would do just that and share his long time research ideas which would be instantly digested by inescrupulous people and pirated to be sold since this is a public forum.

Do you really believe someone who develops such projects is that gullible?

Hung

Just I respond in similar terms!

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

If you colect all my serious post about it (there are not very serious too –private wars, etc.–) , you'll obtain the only information about it... maybe at size of a book.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

If you colect all my serious post about it (there are not very serious too –private wars, etc.–) , you'll obtain the only information about it... maybe at size of a book.

Yes, but it is sometimes dificult to separate serious from non-serious, and facts from assumptions
Regards,
Fred.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Fred

Yes, but it is sometimes dificult to separate serious from non-serious, and facts from assumptions
Regards,
Fred.

When I want to be serious, attacks deviate all what I wish to transmitt to all you. So, some attitude demonstrates that in reality nobody wish to know about it.

Regards

Esteban

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Esteban

When I want to be serious, attacks deviate all what I wish to transmitt to all you. So, some attitude demonstrates that in reality nobody wish to know about it.

Regards

Esteban

It´s true.

Regards,
Fred.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Esteban

If you can send a rocket to Moon at 384,000 km, don't understand why is impossible to pick up a coin (buried for some years) at 7 or 10 meters and at depth 30-40 cm... The problem is: science don't put effort in this. Other think is pick up small nugget at X meters with this, but a solid coin, for example, is different and don't know why round objects are better detectable, maybe because round forms "mantain" the "charg

Scientists have navigated to the moon, but their real expertise is seen by few people in many areas that are not so visible to the public. Consider the MMI corporation, that finds enormous deposits of ore up to 5000 feet below the surface of the ground. They are virually unknown outside of the mining communiy. And there are many other scientific specialties that are hidden from the eyes of the general public.

The scientists who figure out how to navigate to the moon, and how to find ore deposits 5000 feet below the surface are brilliant engineers that devote their time to cutting edge technology. They work with the most advanced methods to improve the current state of the art technology. So why don't these scientists put effort into improving LRLs?

Could it be because they are rolling on the floor with laughter at the very thought that a BFO can locate buried treasure? Do you suppose they consider LRLs a waste of time the same as Carl-NC does?

Think about it... If a NASA scientist were to believe that an LRL could work, then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he would build one for a hobby in hopes of finding fabulous wealth so he could quit his job and retire? I think he would do this if he believed there is a chance.

But what do we see?
No scientist has ever made any post stating he has become wealthy from using or from improving an LRL ever. When a scientist walks away from what he considers a bogus idea, then how can we non-scientists presume to know better? Where are the huge unbelievably fabuosly treasures that have been recovered from LRLs? (not the fake stories from the past with low res photos, but eye-witness accounts of an LRL finding treasure)?

Do you suppose these accounts of LRLs finding treasure in front of eye witnesses don't exist? Have you wondered why nobody on earth is willing to demonstrate an LRL recovering treasure? It couldn't be because these LRLs can't find treasure, could it?

Is it any wonder why a scientist will not give the time of day to devote to promoting LRL treasure machines?

Best wishes,
J_P

[hung]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Think about it... If a NASA scientist were to believe that an LRL could work, then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he would build one for a hobby in hopes of finding fabulous wealth so he could quit his job and retire? I think he would do this if he believed there is a chance.

But what do we see?
No scientist has ever made any post stating he has become wealthy from using or from improving an LRL ever. When a scientist walks away from what he considers a bogus idea, then how can we non-scientists presume to know better? Where are the huge unbelievably fabuosly treasures that have been recovered from LRLs? (not the fake stories from the past with low res photos, but eye-witness accounts of an LRL finding treasure)?

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!???

Another subject for you to meditate in bed: Why US are always involved in wars??

Is it any wonder why a scientist will not give the time of day to devote to promoting LRL treasure machines?

Let's put this way pal...
What this same scientist would do if he could recover a UFO or he happened to host an alien in his home?
Would he make a press release of call CNN right away?

Have a nice day.

[Esteban]

Hung, J_P, all

Whe're walking on earth, so we need a cheap method just for found treasures, not mapping, this is out of my/our expectations. NASA has (and need) aerial or spacial mapping method, this is, into his method of searching.

Treasure searching is more for hobbyist, maybe not interesting for mining companies, USA government, etc. Except shipwreck treasures, searching for real companies dedicated for recovery big treasures in the sea, also is out of my expectations.

Desert salt in Bolivia today is of interest causes the most source of lithium in the world, and is one of the most viewable site from space. An astronaut said that it differs very well because the salt desert shines as a great light source.

The persons who do not have money for to buy a very expensive detector, be must experiment and search with his domestic, but effective methods, of search and this is cheaper to be constructed an electronic LRL.

One constructs these devices knowing that behind a treasure hides some phenomenon that makes it detectable for domestic methods, as for example type magnetic absorption.


Regards

Esteban

[joecoin]

Originally Posted by hung

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!???

If this secret technology is not released to the public, how does a guy in South America named Hung know about it? You are the James Bond of Bolivia, aren't you Hung? How exciting!

Another subject for you to meditate in bed: Why US are always involved in wars??

USA is always involved in wars because other countries are very jealous and want to kill the people in the USA. So the USA should just let it happen?




Let's put this way pal...
What this same scientist would do if he could recover a UFO or he happened to host an alien in his home?
Would he make a press release of call CNN right away?

Why not?

Have a nice day.

You have a nice day also.

[joecoin]

Originally Posted by hung

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!???

If this secret technology is not released to the public, how does a guy in South America named Hung know about it? You are the James Bond of Bolivia, aren't you Hung? How exciting!

Another subject for you to meditate in bed: Why US are always involved in wars??

USA is always involved in wars because other countries are very jealous and want to kill the people in the USA. So the USA should just let it happen?




Let's put this way pal...
What this same scientist would do if he could recover a UFO or he happened to host an alien in his home?
Would he make a press release of call CNN right away?

Why not?

Have a nice day.

You have a nice day also.

.

[Clondike Clad]

Now if someone made the real thing"Why in the hell would he or she post anything on this forum..CIA,FBI KGB OR WHATEVER would be looking for them: lol:I would be getting stinking rich first and not tell anyone I have a working LRL I would also take CARL'S MONEY and the MILL that's $1,000,000
So why is it no one is taking CARL'S MONEY, Chit I would fly to Carl take his money and go home if I had a real LRL.
It is free money for the taking
So now if you have a working LRL take CARL'S MONEY $25,000 dead ones:rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes:

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by hung

You are completely misinformed on this. Nasa has several top secret technologies which are not released to the publid. One of them is the technology wich makes possible to map gold deposits for instance from the space. No it's not MRI or all the inocent tech you will find typing related subjects in google. It's well beyond that.
You're from USA. NASA's homeland. I'm from South America. And you don't know about this.
Now when they are able to know the gold deposit from the space, why in the hell they would need a LRL for!???

It looks like hung has done it again. He shoveled another load of BS from his heaping steamy pile. So what flavor of BS is hung shoveling recently? Could it be "top secret technology for mapping the earth's gold" by NASA scientists?

Is hung saying the NASA's method for mapping of the earth's mineral deposits is a secret, and the people who live in the USA should know about it? Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaa...

Before you accuse others of being completely misinformed, perhaps you should read the posts in this forum. You will find that you first learned about how NASA mapped the gold deposits from a post I made, and followed up with your reply that "gamma rays as you know are unstable and difficult to deal with" See your post: http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/s...38&postcount=9

You will also note that this was your reply to my post stating that the Bickel gold detector is designed to find only the stable isotope of gold: 79Au196. Do you suppose you were wrong when you stated that gamma rays are unstable and difficult to deal with? Are you aware that there is no instability in the Bickel gold sensing machine? Are you aware that this was the detector used by NASA in their satellites to map the world's gold and other mineral deposits? Are you aware that there is no secret about this mapping technology? Would you like to see the NASA web page that tells how they locate minerals using gamma spectroscopy? Look here: http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/sc...tillators.html

The work of mapping the world's mineral deposits was done decades ago. Today scintillation from the stable nuclide of gold is still used, but with more modern sensors. When the CZT solid state detectors become as sensitive as the photomultiplier tubes and crystals, they will probably replace the crystal/tube assembly.

So how secret is all this NASA technology for mapping the earth's minerals? How did I know about it while you expressed your doubts because "gamma rays are unstable and difficult to deal with"? Why are we able to read about this alleged "top secret technology" on the NASA web page? How come what I read on the NASA web page reveals exactly the same method that their designer, Dr. Bickel explained to me in the 1980s? Is it possible this "top secret technology" is just another load of hung BS?

You will find there are quite a few related instruments and methods that NASA uses to map the earth and other planets, as well as to determine the elements in stars... which are also explained on NASAs web page among other places.

You will note there are no calculators glued to the scintillators used by NASA to find gold. Also, no antennas connected to a bent wire to transfer signals, no search coils or ferrite sensors, no BFO or off resonant circuits, no hot melt glue. Just plain old electronic engineering that works every time to detect a gamma signature.

So what have we learned today, hung?
Have we learned that you still have an aversion to reading facts, and prefer telling fairy tales because you think they sound cooler? Have we learned you don't have a clue about what you're talking about, and just make up any old story that you think people will believe? I wonder if I should believe all the stories you told about finding fabulous treasures with your LRLs? Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

Some people are so dum they should have a song written about them... http://h1.ripway.com/Forum_Weasel/forum/whosdum.html

[Steve in MS]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Now if someone made the real thing"Why in the hell would he or she post anything on this forum..CIA,FBI KGB OR WHATEVER would be looking for them: lol:I would be getting stinking rich first and not tell anyone I have a working LRL I would also take CARL'S MONEY and the MILL that's $1,000,000
So why is it no one is taking CARL'S MONEY, Chit I would fly to Carl take his money and go home if I had a real LRL.
It is free money for the taking
So now if you have a working LRL take CARL'S MONEY $25,000 dead ones:rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes::rolle yes:

I agree but let's take it one step further.
Either start mass producing a working LRL for sale after some proof that it works, or post up all the details of a working LRL for others to use.
These 2 options are the only ones that make any logical sense in trying to convince others that LRLs really work.
Other than these 2 options then folks will think they are not being truthful.
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want but there is nothing like proof when trying to convince others.
If someone stated they have a vehicle that can travel to mars, what would you think?

[hung]

Originally Posted by joecoin

.If this secret technology is not released to the public, how does a guy in South America named Hung know about it?

Because this Hung from South America knows a scientist who worked for NASA and knows about it.

PS. By the way JP, you are the one who is full of BS. The liar who made others believe you had a working PD. Duh...

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

PS. By the way JP, you are the one who is full of BS. The liar who made others believe you had a working PD. Duh...

Maybe you were gullible enough to believe it .... I didn't!

[Fred]

Originally Posted by J_Player

I wonder if I should believe all the stories you told about finding fabulous treasures with your LRLs? Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

Telling exotic and top secret BS is a way for Hung to show some superiority towards som people without giving possibility to prove it wrong.
So please JP do believe in Hung´s BS, it will be Christmas soon and he needs it...

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Maybe you were gullible enough to believe it .... I didn't!

Must have been hard for him, someone with a working LRL !!??

[Carl-NC]

Dell said, "A NASA earth Scientist was this dumb Hillbilly's mentor and advisor, for Harmonic Induction Frequency Discrimination"

Hung said, "Because this Hung from South America knows a scientist who worked for NASA and knows about it."

Sounds like NASA is just chocked full of El-Ar-El experts. Maybe this is the technology they're using to locate all those new planets.

Hmmmm.... since I used to work at NASA, here's a quote fer ya:

"A former NASA engineer has analyzed LRLs and found them to be completely bogus."

- Carl

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Fred

Telling exotic and top secret BS is a way for Hung to show some superiority towards som people without giving possibility to prove it wrong.
So please JP do believe in Hung´s BS, it will be Christmas soon and he needs it...

Oh I DO believe... I DO...
...Just like i believe in Santa Clause! Why should I doubt the mind of a child and spoil his favorite beliefs? Shall we all bow down in awe of hung's fantastic feats with his top secret LRL? ...and the magnificent treasures he found with it and his other LRLs? I bet we will see some credible proof of Santa Clause sliding down the chimney with presents before we see credible proof that hung found any treasure with an LRL. Think so?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

Hmmmm.... since I used to work at NASA, here's a quote fer ya:

Were you a Janitor?

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by hung

Because this Hung from South America knows a scientist who worked for NASA and knows about it.

Oh really?
So tell us hung... what secret methods did this scientist who worked for NASA tell you was used to find gold from satellites? Was it the same gamma spectroscopy method shown on the NASA web page? Can you elaborate on the details of this "top secret technology?"

Best wishes,
J_P

[Fred]

Anyway a scientist that give away secret technology is not a good scientist

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

If you colect all my serious post about it (there are not very serious too –private wars, etc.–) , you'll obtain the only information about it... maybe at size of a book.

Serious post about WHAT........It is not metal detecting but as it was put to me PURE BILLCHIT...this was told to me from someone who know more about electronic and math drunk than most professors who teach.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

Serious post about WHAT........It is not metal detecting but as it was put to me PURE BILLCHIT...this was told to me from someone who know more about electronic and math drunk than most professors who teach.

Dear Mr.: you're deeply wrong.

I have given so much real information and very usefully from my experience.

If you do not value it, you do not deserve it either.

Regards

Esteban

[hung]

Originally Posted by Dell Winders

Were you a Janitor?

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Max

Wow.... what a fresbee !

62+ cm diameter... and what about weight ???

Kind regards,
Max

It's the "Big Daddy" of the deep searching loops. This gigantic loop was designed for use by Cache and Relic Hunters working in low mineral soils. The 25" Magnum Force loop sacrifices small target sensitivity for increased depth, and is best suited for finding targets of coffee can size or larger (definitely not a nugget hunting coil!). However, on large targets in low mineral soil it will achieve depths up to 3 to 5 feet depending on the size of the target. This loop is a favorite among Relic Hunters. Accurate discrimination is also lost and the 25" loop should only be used in the "all metal" mode following the instructions enclosed with it. Because of its size it is also heavier than other coils, so for ease of operation, an Arm Support System is included with purchase of the 25" loop. This coil is for the big stuff not for one coins.
Anyone can find metal with this coil on my XLPRO.