reply to criticism on geophysics thread

[hipopp]

Listen up guys! I am not just a darn idiot sucker who handed over $650 for a device that did not work...i could have got my money back but no way am i parting with my rangertell complete with hewlett packard mathematicians calculator "stuck" on top. I am a retired former technician/technical officer and i just happen to know about these things OK? I got it working for me after considerable messing about with it like resetting the aerial after each button change , had to work out everything myself pretty much cos they did not send me the CD with it till much later. Worked off their user guide onsite and spent hours and hours in a proper technical assessment of the thing. I stand by my word that i can pick up a nugget of 0.6 grams (that i bought on ebay to test it) at 50 meters. Fact! final! No error! My rangertell does not look anything like the one that was tested so you flamers get your facts straight before you slander a perfectly good product. Now having said all that, Ranger recomend you have a metal detector as well to save time locating the target when close up. Avoids using triangulation blah blah blah. A detector goes straight to the spot. Much quicker. But mates I can find a mineralised patch at distance and know what ground to avoid. You guys have to do the hard yards and trudge every square inch of soil to detect thereby wasting 99% of your time. You can argue with Ranger all you like about their productsbut mine WORKS!!!!!! I was sincere enough to leave you my contact details for anyone sincere in thier enquiries regarding its effectiveness as a gold detector. But do not bother thanks, I hate prejudice. A test of a product found wanting by the products opposition, you kidding me right? By the way I live in Patten ST Sale Victoria and am not associated with Rangertell in any way. Cheers....

[hung]

Hi Hipopp,

That the RT unit works, this is no surprise. If you look here in this forum, several months ago I wrote a report about the AC and even DC variations it produced when locating a target.
Of course Carl's 'parafernalia' started some years ago, a temptative to discredit it pretending that electronically it would do nothing.
As you know, it only requires a pair of neurons to prove the opposite. Since then his followers abounded just like some 'school of thought' in the past who ruled the earth was flat.

The RT works, but it's a rudimentary aproach to comunicate with target. Today, with the advent of modern electronics, a much more advanced system can be assembled.

Take care.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by hipopp

Listen up guys! I am not just a darn idiot sucker who handed over $650 for a device that did not work.......

Hi,
why did you start a new thread instead of to continue the other one?

Originally Posted by hung

Hi Hipopp,
The RT works, but it's a rudimentary aproach to comunicate with target. Today, with the advent of modern electronics, a much more advanced system can be assembled.Take care.

"...available soon at a special price" , right ?


Fred.

[hung]

Originally Posted by Fred

"...available soon at a special price" , right ?


Fred.

Sorry to disapoint you Fred, but I will reiterate again. The devices I use for TH WILL NEVER be sold remaining of my team's exclusive use and the Technology involved WILL NEVER be discussed here anytime. I'm not dealer of no LRL.

My advice for you is to do just like I did. Research, study and you will understand.
Regards.

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by hipopp

Listen up guys!

I'm listening; you voiced your opinion, now I'll voice mine. Seems fair doesn't it?

I stand by my word that i can pick up a nugget of 0.6 grams (that i bought on ebay to test it) at 50 meters.

I'm sure you can "pick up" your test nugget. However, unless that nugget was hidden according to strict Double-Blind Test Protocol, and the test was repeated a significant number of times, the results of such a test are really useless and prove nothing as to value/worth of your R-T dowsing rod.

My rangertell does not look anything like the one that was tested so you flamers get your facts straight before you slander a perfectly good product.

The mere fact that your R-T dowsing wand still has a calculator glued to the top of a swivel handle, indicates that Vincent Blanes is still using the advertising ploy that plugging numbers into the calculator is somehow influencing the sensitivity and/or discrimination "powers" of the dowsing rod. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nothing!

The ONLY thing that plugging those numbers in could be doing; is to mentally program the dowsers mind into believing the dowsing rod is now programmed to only pick up certain items, or at certain distances. Strictly a mental exercise, and nothing more.

Now having said all that, Ranger recomend you have a metal detector as well to save time locating the target when close up. Avoids using triangulation blah blah blah. A detector goes straight to the spot.

Of course Vincent would recommend the use of a metal detector. Vincent knows that if his dowsing rod points in a certain direction, you will then take your metal detector and start searching in EVER INCREASING diameter circles until BINGO! you eventually dig something up that might resemble what it was you were searching to find.

Several other LRL scam artists have recommended the use of a metal detector, for exactly the same reasons. They know that whenever an LRL contraption is melded with a metal detector, the operator will never know if what they found was as a result of the LRL, or the metal detector. But in all cases, the operator will want to believe that the LRL contraption was responsible for the find. It is a very old marketing trick and has been in use for decades now. Vincent merely borrowed the trick from other more established wallet-miners.

If you are really interested in determining the worth of your new R-T dowsing wand, test it against a bent piece of wire. Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.

But then, the coat hanger didn't cost a boat load of money!

Good Luck and Best Regards

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by hung

I'm not dealer of no LRL.

Your English has declined - that's a double-negative. If you're not a dealer of no LRL, then you must be an LRL dealer. You said it , not me!
I wonder which one of your schizophrenic personalities I talking to?

Originally Posted by Theseus

I'm listening; you voiced your opinion, now I'll voice mine. Seems fair doesn't it?

I'm sure you can "pick up" your test nugget. However, unless that nugget was hidden according to strict Double-Blind Test Protocol, and the test was repeated a significant number of times, the results of such a test are really useless and prove nothing as to value/worth of your R-T dowsing rod.

The mere fact that your R-T dowsing wand still has a calculator glued to the top of a swivel handle, indicates that Vincent Blanes is still using the advertising ploy that plugging numbers into the calculator is somehow influencing the sensitivity and/or discrimination "powers" of the dowsing rod. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nothing!

The ONLY thing that plugging those numbers in could be doing; is to mentally program the dowsers mind into believing the dowsing rod is now programmed to only pick up certain items, or at certain distances. Strictly a mental exercise, and nothing more.

Of course Vincent would recommend the use of a metal detector. Vincent knows that if his dowsing rod points in a certain direction, you will then take your metal detector and start searching in EVER INCREASING diameter circles until BINGO! you eventually dig something up that might resemble what it was you were searching to find.

Several other LRL scam artists have recommended the use of a metal detector, for exactly the same reasons. They know that whenever an LRL contraption is melded with a metal detector, the operator will never know if what they found was as a result of the LRL, or the metal detector. But in all cases, the operator will want to believe that the LRL contraption was responsible for the find. It is a very old marketing trick and has been in use for decades now. Vincent merely borrowed the trick from other more established wallet-miners.

If you are really interested in determining the worth of your new R-T dowsing wand, test it against a bent piece of wire. Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.

But then, the coat hanger didn't cost a boat load of money!

Good Luck and Best Regards

I couldn't agree more ... well said.

[J_Player]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Unfold a coat hanger and then bend it up into an L shape. If you actually compare the two (which I doubt you will) --you will find (in fair double blind tests) the bent wire will work every bit as good as the dowsing rod with a calculator glued on top.

Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

Mmmmmm... probably.

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by J_Player

Is it really necessary to bend an L shape? Won't a coat hanger shape find treasure as well as an LRL?

Best wishes,
J_P

Didn't you mean: "Will fail to find treasure as well as an LRL."?

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Qiaozhi

Didn't you mean: "Will fail to find treasure as well as an LRL."?

If we consider that a LRL don´t find treasure at all , it does not matter: the sense remains the same

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Fred

If we consider that a LRL don´t find treasure at all , it does not matter: the sense remains the same

Not really ... as the first statement makes an incorrect assumption.

[Clondike Clad]

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

[Max]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

Wow.... what a fresbee !

62+ cm diameter... and what about weight ???

Kind regards,
Max

[Qiaozhi]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

That sounds a real beast!

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

First of all if I had a working lrl why in the hell would I be posting on this site.
I WOULD BE DIGGING AND GETTING RICH.
IF YOUR RT WORKS AND WE ALL KNOW IT DON'T ,GET RICH AND STOP beachchen(you know the word i can't use).
I will go back to LURKING "It is the same old lame crap again."
My LRL is a XL PRO with a 25 inch coil and anyone can make that puppy work.

Trying White's Eagle II as LRL for 7-10 meters for a single coin. Appears this detector is good in depth...

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Trying White's Eagle II as LRL for 7-10 meters for a single coin. Appears this detector is good in depth...

Regards

Esteban

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

Loosing you nerve ?? I did too before, with you...
I like Esteban´s experiments.
Fred.

[hipopp]

thank you for the rational reply Hung. I will be the first to admit the ranger has its shortcomings but so has a conventional detector. But i spent all day in 100 degree heat pounding a goldfield with the latest minelab only to dig up a 100 targets which turned out to be nails bullets brass buttons and all sorts of other trash. Totally exhausted and my friend faye does not ever want to go out again. You call that fossicking? not me. I bought the ranger because it was going to allow me to zoom in to a patch of mineralised ground from a distance. Here in australia our outback is so vast that virgin territory still exists. The ranger will allow me to drive and cover say 150 miles a day while detecting the country to the sides of the road up to a few miles either side. Could not ask for anything more than that. I give up with the guys here they are so ultra conservative makes yer sick. After trying the ranger in a magnetic field for you it stopped working properly and i let it rest overnight. Is OK now this morning. Degaussed. But you know what ? the more i mess about with it the more i learn. While picking up my nugget on the floor again here i set it to minimum distance to just pick it up at 6 feet. BUT BUT BUT it still picked up Faye and all her gold jewellry sitting on a chair practising guitar. Messed about more with it and found....that....if you adust to pick up a minimal target distancewise a much larger target will override the distance setting...extremely valuable in the field to tune out trash and false signals. What got me annoyed with the ranger when i bought it was the amount of self discipline needed to learn to use it for your own body. I think most on this site would not be prepared to go to the lengths to try to understand it. Bit more than flicking a switch. Will let you know the results of a field trip i am doing next week. regards....p.s what other technology is available???

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

What the he** did you do to that detector?
Well one this I know is the inside of whites detectors.
NO WAYYOU CAN DETECT A COIN 7 to 10 METERS with that coil.
NO WAY AT ALL THAT IS A FACT.
PURE BULL . I can't stand it anymore of the bull crap.
Anyone with half a brain with electronics know that is pure crap.
tO ANY ONE THIS IS BUSTED I KNOW WHITES DETECTORS AND THIS IS BUSTED.

Not only the coil, this is a way. Another RF sensor is necessary and a few more. But, of course, you, for experience, know that can't be possible. As I use simple oscillator type off-resonance as some meters MD, so I think this White's coil and circuit are betters!

Regards

Esteban

[Esteban]

Here the "busted" White's I was post in thread Old forgotten metal detectors and the detector too:
http://www.thunting.com/geotech/foru...t=14255&page=4

Regards

Esteban

[Clondike Clad]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Here the "busted" White's I was post in thread Old forgotten metal detectors and the detector too:
http://www.thunting.com/geotech/foru...t=14255&page=4

Regards

Esteban

I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

[Steve in MS]

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Clondike Clad

I hope people are reading this 7 to 10 meter crap.
First of all you would have to gut the detector.
The electroics and the coil will not pick up a coin at 7 to 10 meters( Oh let look at it this way ,pick up a coin fron my roof to the ground.) With kids in the yard how many coins will it pick up at one time.This thing must pinpoint like a laser...WOW the $hit is getting deeeeep.
I better go back to lurking again.

If you can send a rocket to Moon at 384,000 km, don't understand why is impossible to pick up a coin (buried for some years) at 7 or 10 meters and at depth 30-40 cm... The problem is: science don't put effort in this. Other think is pick up small nugget at X meters with this, but a solid coin, for example, is different and don't know why round objects are better detectable, maybe because round forms "mantain" the "charge".

[hung]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

What about Esteban's merit?
If he was gullible enough he would do just that and share his long time research ideas which would be instantly digested by inescrupulous people and pirated to be sold since this is a public forum.

Do you really believe someone who develops such projects is that gullible?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Steve in MS

Esteban, I know you are a knowledgeable person and you are very helpful on these forums in many ways. I think I read some of your posts before that you have come up with a way to detect a single coin at a greater distance than what can be accomplished by others at this time.
OK, it is time for you to either patent your idea or show us a schematic of your device so others can share in your invention.
Now I don't post on the remote sensing forum as I feel that those who believe in them should have a place where they can exchange ideas and better their equipment or find one of these devices that make them happy.
If your device truly will do this, I am sure Max and others will build one to see if has merit.
Just thought I would see how you will respond to this,
Regards,
Steve

Detect with this kind of device requires adjust the pot. sens. control in a point between almost random and stability, so operator must be delicate in this, since if you retire a fraction of milimeter the pot. you'll don't detect small items.

Is not a good idea to show here at eyes of all the world, since at first opportunity many replicate and sell for thousands dollars of euros.